Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 dear srI lakshmi narasimhan, Your queries regarding sahEthuka krupa vs. nirhEthuka krpa are very good questions. There have been numerous postings on this in the bhakti list and other lists. This is a very deep topic, and most times it is very difficult to understand this topic. One needs to experience it, in my opinion and experience, through a learned person and bhagavad krpa. Having said that, the following may be of help to you. Please keep in mind that my understanding is obviously imperfect, and there may be places where I am not explaining properly, or am explaining things mistakenly. 1. nirhEthuka krupa: What is nirhEthuka krupa? The meaning of the word "hEthu" is cause, reason, object or motive. It can also mean "the logical reason of", "by reason of", "on account of" etc.. Now, when we say that the Lord's granting of mOksha is sahEthuka, it basically means that His act of granting mOksha is *because* the jIva did something. The jIva doing something *initiated* the Lord's act of giving mOksha. Let us see what could be the problem with the above? First and foremost problem is this - If we say that the Lord's giving mOksha is caused by some act of the jIVa, we are directly reducing the Lord's all- powerfulness. We are constraining His actions, and are subjecting His actions to a cause. This is unacceptable as HE is all-powerful. So, how does He grant mOksha then? Our AchAryAs say that His grace/mercy is causeless, and acts on anyone and anything. Now, this definitely smacks of partiality on the surface. But, look at it this way - (i) His grace is causeless. It acts on everyone, without exception. An analogy is rain. The clouds pour down rain on the ground. The man who has created a small lake through his efforts gains as the water stays. If he does not make a small lake with his maNvetti, then the water just goes away. Did the cloud pour rain because the man dug a lake? No. The cloud poured the rain because it is in its nature to pour rain. Similarly, the Lord's nature is such that He pours His grace all the time on everyone and everything. In fact, the above analogy is from mudal AzhvAr pAsurams only. (ii) srI. tridaNdi chinna jIyar svAmi explains like this - There is a railway track. We do not know when a train will come, or if a train will come. We control the signal. If we do not accept Him/surrender to Him, then it is like the Red signal. The train comes, and stops. But if we surrender to Him, it is the green signal, and the train comes. Now, the train does not come because we put the green signal. It is coming anyway. If we allow it to contine, then it goes. On the other hand, if we reject it, then it stays. (iii) svAmi parAsara bhattar, in srIrangarAja sthavam describes the Lord's grace as the great flood in a river. It comes, and whoever is in its way is carried by the flood. One cannot say when and where the flood will occur. But when it occurs, it takes everything in its way. Now, one can take the above and say "if so, then the act of surrendering is essential for mOksha". It is definitely true. But, is that "surrendering" something we do? Let us see what our AzhvArs say - nammAzhvAr says "uNarvil umbar oruvanai avanadhu aruLaaL uraRporuttu, en uNarvil uLLE iruththinEn - ADHUVUM AVANADHU INNARULE". He says that he keeping the Lord in his mind is entirely due to the grace of the Lord. - in the decade "enRaikkum ennai", he repeaatedly says that the Lord did all good things to him - "aa mudhalvan ivan enRu taththERRi, en nA mudhal vandhu pugundhu nal in kavi.." The message is very clear - The *cause* for the AzhvAr's thinking about the Lord is the Lord Himself! So, what gives? Can't one make the argument that the Lord is being partial, because He causes the people He wants to remember Him? SvAmi piLLai lOkAchAriAr deals at length with the Lord's grace in srIvacanabhUshaNam. He describes so many pretexts that the Lord uses so that He does not get accused or partiality. The sUTram is a beautiful one, and I will wirte about that sUTram later. But the pretexts he talks about are things like "telling the Lord's name", "telling the Lord's place's name" etc. even accidentally - like a thief who runs around the temple in apradhakshiNam. The Lord sees that and says "He ran around my temple - So, I will save him"; or like the thief who says "I am going to steal money from LAkshmiNarasimhan's house" - The Lord immediately uses the thief uttering the word LAkshmiNarasimhan as he uttered His name, a pretext to save that soul. i.e. only He knows what the pretexts are. He can make up any pretext. svAmi piLLai lOkAchAriAr says "madi mAngAi ittu" - like those who put a mango in the lap of a sleeping person and accuse him of stealing , the Lord *creates* a pretext to save the souls. Now, when we take the above into consideration, then it becomes more clear. The Lord is the only reason for the souls being saved, and His grace is uninstigated, and nirhEthuka. So, the next logical question is "Then why are there countless souls still in samsAra? why did He not just take everybody to vaikuNtam" The answer to that is simple - Only He knows what is good for each soul. He takes the soul to His abode at the time that is right for each soul. He always does very good things for ALL the souls. Some souls realize/understand that, and some do not. That is all. Also, us trying to understand, with our limited capabilities, His working is just not possible and feasible. So, what should a soul do then? Why should one approach an AchArya? Is it necessary to approach an AchArya? I will try to address those in a separate mail. This mail is already too long. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan, varadhan The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 ramanuja, Varadhan T A <tavaradhan> wrote: > dear srI lakshmi narasimhan, > > > > So, how does He grant mOksha then? Our AchAryAs say > that His grace/mercy is causeless, and acts on > anyone and anything. Now, this definitely smacks > of partiality on the surface. > > But, look at it this way - > (i) His grace is causeless. It acts on everyone, > without exception. An analogy is rain. The clouds > pour down rain on the ground. The man who has > created a small lake through his efforts gains > as the water stays. If he does not make a small > lake with his maNvetti, then the water just goes > away. Did the cloud pour rain because the man > dug a lake? No. The cloud poured the rain > because it is in its nature to pour rain. > Similarly, the Lord's nature is such that He > pours His grace all the time on everyone > and everything. In fact, the above analogy is > from mudal AzhvAr pAsurams only. Dear Sriman Varadhan, Thank you for the educating mail. I would like to write one thing from my side. >From the above pASuram quoted by you and subsequent paragraphs of ur mail, one may infer that God has to enable us out of His nirhEtuka krupA, to make some effrts. But this will not go well with Alwars' philosophy that He is the means and goal (neri vASal thAnE). I checked up the meaning of the above pASuram quoted by you, with the learned in Divya prabandham. I understood that the PAsuram has a different meaning according to Sri PVP. In my own words, the content is as follows: the Chetana may be having the Lord in mind wihout knowing that he is subserveint to the Lord. one may dig a small lake, but who will por rain? Here, Sri PVP says that Chetana may be following a great person -i.e. a bhAgavata (as gItA says: yadyadAcharati SrEshtah...) and have his mind on the Supreme without knowing his Seshatvam to the Latter. He may be having taste for the Lord, but it is for the Lord to shower His grace on him. So, Sri PVP compares digging lake with having ruchi for PerumAL, and rain with His krupA. Hence there is no effort or prapatti (as an act) involved here. Another important thing Sri PVP says is, "having taste for the perumAL" and NOT "developing it". So this means that taste is also generated by PerumAL only. Also Sri PVP further says that both digging the lake and pouring rain will be done by the Lord. mistakes are due to my poor understanding. somebody having a copy of Sri PVP's commentary for this famous pASuram may please translate it. adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Vishnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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