Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: Dear Smt Nappinnai, In the VK sampradhayam, they do not chant the "nama shrishaila ..." thaniyan. As you rightly pointed out this is the thaniyan for Srishaileshar (Thiruvaymozhi- p-piLLai) and was written by Manavala Mamunigal himself for his acharya. In the VK sampradhayam, this is the point in the sarrumurai that they deviate - they recite the thaniyan "namO rAmAnujAryAya ..." which is a thaniyan for Atreya Ramanuja who is the acharya for Sri Vedanta Desikar. It is followed by the Desikar thaniyan "rAmAnuja dayApAtram ..." (this Ramanuja refers to Atreya Ramanuja and not Bhagavad Ramanuja). By the way, adiyEn has a question about the "sarva dEsa ..." - was it written by Manavala Mamunigal or by Nanjeeyar (who was also known as Periya Jeeyar)? I don't think I have put the "nama srIshaila ..." thaniyan in the VK sarrumurai document. I do have a combined document where this thaniyan and the "namO rAmAnujAryAya ..." thaniyan together. This is for the use of my santhai class where because we have mixed group of students, we recite the sarrumurai kramam of both sampradayams. Azhvar Emperumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan --- nappinnai_nc <nappinnai_nc wrote: > Sri: > Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: > Dear Ramesh, > Accept my pranams. Tiru ArAdhana kramam was > introduced and > systematised by Sri MaNavALa mAmunigaL(based on > EmperumAnAr's samskrt > work). Sri Ramanuja is the AcArya for both kalais and > hence it > perfectly makes sense to chant "sarva dhEsha" by both > kalais. > On the other hand,the "nama: srishaila" invokes > Sri > ShailEsha or TiruvAymozhi PiLLai,who was the AcArya of > Sri Periya > Jeeyar. TiruvAymozhi PiLLai is in the lineage of > TennAcAryas and VK's > AcArya lineage is different. So, obviously VKs would/may > not chant > "nama: srishaila nAThAaya". Anyways I have not listened > to their > sARRumuRai chanting(except once). So I do not remember > this thaniyan > being chanted by them as I was busy chanting TK > sARRumuRai within my > heart. But Sri TCA Venkatesan has put this thaniyan in VK > sARRumuRai > sampradayam also. May some learned devotee would explain > whether or > not it is really chanted by VKs. > > AzhvAR EmperumAnAr JIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam > NC Nappinnai > > > ramanuja, "S.RAMESH SAMPATH" > <sramesh@o...> > wrote: > > Dear Bhagavatas > > > > Adiyen is from Muscat Iyengar's group. I have got a > doubt about > sathumurai > > kramam of Thenkalai & Vadakalai Sampradayam. > > > > In the Tenkalai sathumurai kramam, we chant > > 'sarva desha dasa kaleshva vyahatha parakrama > > ramanujarya divyagna varthatham abi varthamam' > > which was made by Periya Jeer (swami Manavala > Mamunigal) which is > also > > chanted by vadakalai sampradayam > > > > However there is another verse in the same sathumurai > kramam of > Thenkalai > > made by Periya Jeer (swami Manavala Mamunigal) > > 'nama srisaila nathaya kunthi nagara janmane > > prasadha labda paramaprapya kainkarya saline' > > which is not chanted by vadakalai. > > > > Adiyen has got a very little knowledge in our > sampradayam. However > if > > anyone can clarify on this doubt, I will be thankful. > > > > Thanks > > > > S. Ramesh > > ' > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear TCA venkatesan, I have also heard that periya jeeyar refers to Nanjeeyar. Thanks to you and TA Varadhan who pointed out which I omitted. But then,everything that is associated with Srirangam always have the prefix "periya". Since MaNavALa mAmunigaL was the AcArya of SriRanganATha,I would think "periya jeeyar" is apt to refer to MaNavALa mAmunigaL than Nanjeeyar. Devotees, who had the fortune to interact with Sru Puttur Swamy,PB swami and the like,would be able to address this better. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam NC Nappinnai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: Dear TCA Venkatesan, You have put this thaniyan in the category of "sARRumuRai: Vadakalai SampradAyam":-) You also have "sARRumuRai:Thenkalai SampradAyam" seprately. Check out your site. If it's a combined sARRumuRai,you should have put "vAzhi tiruvAymozhip piLLai mAthagavAl" which I don't see in it. BTW,why do call it as TK and VK podhu thaniyan? In the TK podhu thaniyan, Sri ShailEsha is sitting first which is not podhu/common for VK. Podhu thaniyan means it sould only start from "lakshmInATha.. up to parAshara bhattar's thaniyan". And again wrt sARRumuRai,the common ones would be "sarva dhEsha,and EmperumAnAr's Sriman Sriranga" and the rest are different for both sampradAyams. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam NC Nappinnai > I don't think I have put the "nama srIshaila ..." > thaniyan in the VK sarrumurai document. I do have a > combined document where this thaniyan and the "namO > rAmAnujAryAya ..." thaniyan together. This is for > the use of my santhai class where because we have > mixed group of students, we recite the sarrumurai > kramam of both sampradayams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: Dear Nappinnai, Thanks for catching what is clearly an error. I had created the sArrumuRai html file for the VK sampradhayam from the same document as the one for TK and this accidentally got left unchanged. The error was only in the english version (the tamil version is right), but I have fixed it now. Regarding your question about "podhu", it is not meant as podhu for the two sampradhayams. The "podhu" thaniyans refer to the common thaniyans for reciting any of the 4000. There are other thaniyans specific to a work such as Thiruvaymozhi, Periya Thirumozhi, etc but these thaniyans are said at the beginning for the recitation of any work - hence "podhu". Between the two sampradhayams these differ only in the first thaniyan - "shrishailesha" or "rAmanuja". I do have a separate doc in the site that is not visible to all (it is part of the Detroit Vedics section) where I have both thaniyans in one doc. Initially I thought you were refering to that. Thanks for pointing out the error in the site. Azhvar Emperumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan --- nappinnai_nc <nappinnai_nc wrote: > Sri: > Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: > Dear TCA Venkatesan, > You have put this thaniyan in the category > of "sARRumuRai: Vadakalai SampradAyam":-) You also > have "sARRumuRai:Thenkalai SampradAyam" seprately. Check > out your > site. If it's a combined sARRumuRai,you should have put > "vAzhi > tiruvAymozhip piLLai mAthagavAl" which I don't see in it. > BTW,why do > call it as TK and VK podhu thaniyan? In the TK podhu > thaniyan, Sri > ShailEsha is sitting first which is not podhu/common for > VK. Podhu > thaniyan means it sould only start from "lakshmInATha.. > up to > parAshara bhattar's thaniyan". And again wrt > sARRumuRai,the common > ones would be "sarva dhEsha,and EmperumAnAr's Sriman > Sriranga" and > the rest are different for both sampradAyams. > > AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam > NC Nappinnai The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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