Nirheduka krupai

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Sri Parthasarathi thunai

Srimathe rAmAnujaya Namaha

Sri Vara Vara MunayE Namaha

Sri Vanachala maha munayE Namaha

 

Dear bhagavatas,

 

For quite sometime there is a hot discussion about nirheduka krupai in this

group. Adiyen is not so eligible to take part in the discussion. Still let me

put forth adiyen's understanding of the same.

 

One begger comes in front of a house and asks for alms. Is his shouting or

asking alone enough for him to get alms? No. The person inside should have

dayai or krupai to help the begger. So can the beggar just sit without asking?

No. Both the acts should happen. It is the duty of the beggar to go from one

door to other and beg but getting something depends on the person inside the

house. Similarly we should surrender to the divine feet of the lord, but

granting moksha lies in his hand (his nirheduka krupa). Our surrendering cannot

be a means to attain moksha but we should definitely do prapatti to make

emperuman shower his grace on us.

 

Alwar emperumAnAr Jeeyer thiruvadigale sharanam

 

Adiyen rAmAnuja dAsee

Sumithra Varadarajan

 

 

 

 

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Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Smt Sumithra Varadarajan,

Accept my pranams. I'm reflecting my views based on my

understanding of TennAcArya SampradAyam.

 

> One begger comes in front of a house and asks for alms. Is his

> shouting or asking alone enough for him to get alms? No. The

> person inside should have dayai or krupai to help the begger. So

> can the beggar just sit without asking? No. Both the acts should

> happen. It is the duty of the beggar to go from one door to other

> and beg but getting something depends on the person inside the

> house.

 

This is not true in my observation. Many a times I have witnessed my

parents giving food, without the beggarliterally,verbally begging

at our doorstep. They would have heard the beggar begging at

neighbour's houses and before he utters anything,he would have been

given food at our house. From first hand experience(personal contacts

with people),I have seen couple of 'absolutely" good-hearted people

who voluntarily help others without the latter seeking the former's

help. If this is the case with the human beings/mortals, why not

the "so called" Omniscient,Omnipotent and Omnipresent God grant

anything His subjects wish for!

 

> Similarly we should surrender to the divine feet of the lord, but

> granting moksha lies in his hand (his nirheduka krupa). Our

> surrendering cannot be a means to attain moksha but we should

> definitely do prapatti to make emperuman shower his grace on us.

 

You make 'it/surrendering' sound 'mandatory' and it is wrong

according to my understanding of our sampradAyam. The grace is

called 'nirhEthuka krpa/cause-less mercy/grace" because 'it does not

matter whether you do sharaNAgati or not". His feet is the upAyam and

not the "sharaNAgathi". I don't think SisipAla did sharaNAgathi at

Lord's feet!

 

Even after surrendering at His feet,He granting or not granting

mOksha to His subjects amounts to His 'freewill' and not 'nirhEthuka

krpa'. But 'irrespective' of the surrendering,He granting mOksha is

called "nirhEthuka krpa". How can the Subject's some act/sharaNAgathi

become a 'cause' for His actions??? Take the classic example of

mother-baby relationship? Assume that the baby doesn't cry at all for

anything! Will not the mother feed the baby??? According to your

statement,the baby has to do its part of crying and feeding or not

feeding it depends on the mother! Feeding or not feeding depends

entirely on the mother(freewill and nirhEthuka krpa) 'irrespective of

the baby crying'.

 

I have learnt 'mArjara' philosophy by observing our own cats at home.

One incident of my cat is similar to TirukkaNNamangai ANdAn's case

and I'll reserve it for some other time. One need not become a mother

to realize this. If one is a good observer and has good analytical

thinking(which is again His bhiksha!),one can easily grasp

'nirhEthuka krpa'. The Lord does not depend on the Subject to grant

anything to the Subjects. I kindly request the bhAgavathAs to correct

me if I'm wrong.

 

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigLE sharaNam

NC Nappinnai

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ramanuja, sumithra varadarajan

<sumivaradan> wrote:

> Sri Parthasarathi thunai

> Srimathe rAmAnujaya Namaha

> Sri Vara Vara MunayE Namaha

> Sri Vanachala maha munayE Namaha

>

> Dear bhagavatas,

>

> For quite sometime there is a hot discussion about nirheduka krupai

in this group. Adiyen is not so eligible to take part in the

discussion. Still let me put forth adiyen's understanding of the

same.

>

> One begger comes in front of a house and asks for alms. Is his

shouting or asking alone enough for him to get alms? No. The person

inside should have dayai or krupai to help the begger. So can the

beggar just sit without asking? No. Both the acts should happen.

It is the duty of the beggar to go from one door to other and beg but

getting something depends on the person inside the house. Similarly

we should surrender to the divine feet of the lord, but granting

moksha lies in his hand (his nirheduka krupa). Our surrendering

cannot be a means to attain moksha but we should definitely do

prapatti to make emperuman shower his grace on us.

 

Dear Smt Sumithra,

 

God will shower His grace without any act of surrender. We are

already His. That is what Sri Alawandar conveys in stotra ratna

("mama nAtha yadasti yOsmyaham...).

 

If we have to do soemthing, how can His grace be nirhEtukam?

 

Prapatti as an act is not there in all thenkalai paramparAs. What I

mean is, some AchAryas do not include this as a ritual in their

samASrayaNam. So whoever is belonging to these paramparAs does not do

something that is considered by others as prapatti.

 

Alwar emperumAnAr Jeeyer thiruvadigale sharanam

 

Adiyen rAmAnuja dAsan

Vishnu

 

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