Guest guest Posted May 27, 2003 Report Share Posted May 27, 2003 Sri Krishnaya Namah! Thanks a lot for a detailed explanation. I am in the process of getting a detailed book on Sandhyavandanam from Tulasi Thota, Bangalore. In the meanwhile, I still have few queries: 1. There is a sloka in the Sandhyavandanam - "dhyeya sada savithramandala madhyavarthi; narayanaha sarasijasana, sannivishtahaha, keyuravan, makarakundalavan, kiritihari ............ savithranamaka lakshminarayana preraneya lakshminaraya prithyartham......" With this, can we deduce Savithramandala madhyavarthi as Srimannarayana. I could not understand much with my limited knowledge on Sanskrit. 2. Also, you said Savita lies inside Sun. Can you elaborate on Savita. Is it Lord Srimannarayana. 3. Who is the author for this Naimisthika karma. Or is it a part of Karma Kanda(first part) of Vedas 4. There are various types of this karma depending on veda - yajurveda, rigveda etc., Why is that so. Why can't it be combined as a single capsule (as you said below) and given to us. 5. How do we know our veda. Is it only by our ancestors, or is it dependent on our Gothra, as you know, same gothras is allocated for different class of people and this is very complex structure. Hope you have time to answer these. Thanks for your time. Sukumar PS: Last but not the least, elders say in my household that if Gayathri Manthra chanted daily for a period of 7 years, Gayathri follows you like a shadow. Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Sriman Sukumar and Ramachandran, we are supposed to chant gAyatrI as dvijas. other than that there is no attacehment to it in the sampradAyam. In fact, we are not supposed to do any upAsanAs. participating in laksha/akhaNda gAyatrI japam etc. does not go well with the sampradAyam. gAyatrI is not any female deity and hence not mother of any scripture, as per our sampradAyam. SrImAn SrIbhAshyam appalAchArya swAmI has clarified this in his works. Also there is a beautiful explanation given for the gAyatrI mantra as I said earlier. It is SrIman nArAyaNa, the mother and father of everything ("pitAhamasya jagatah.." bhagavad gItA) we are not supposed to do any upAsanA but involve in kainkaryam. In the temple premises, we have to face the presdiing deity i.e. SrImannAryANa's archA form, and not east or west, while doing sandhyA vandanam. However, sandhyAvandanam can be skipped or postponed when we are busy with kainkaryams. This is what SrImAn TK GopAlAchArya swAmI's sandhyA vandanam book says. It is worth thinking of "naharam aruL purindhu.." pASuram of ALwArs in this context. adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan VinjmaUri SrImahAvishNu SarmA ramanuja, sukumar <sukumar@k...> wro te: > Sri Krishnaya Namah! > > Thanks a lot for a detailed explanation. I am in the process of getting a > detailed book on Sandhyavandanam from Tulasi Thota, Bangalore. > > In the meanwhile, I still have few queries: > > 1. There is a sloka in the Sandhyavandanam - "dhyeya sada savithramandala > madhyavarthi; narayanaha sarasijasana, sannivishtahaha, keyuravan, > makarakundalavan, kiritihari ............ savithranamaka lakshminarayana > preraneya lakshminaraya prithyartham......" With this, can we deduce > Savithramandala madhyavarthi as Srimannarayana. I could not understand > much with my limited knowledge on Sanskrit. > > 2. Also, you said Savita lies inside Sun. Can you elaborate on Savita. > Is it Lord Srimannarayana. > > 3. Who is the author for this Naimisthika karma. Or is it a part of Karma > Kanda(first part) of Vedas > > 4. There are various types of this karma depending on veda - yajurveda, > rigveda etc., Why is that so. Why can't it be combined as a single capsule > (as you said below) and given to us. > > 5. How do we know our veda. Is it only by our ancestors, or is it dependent > on our Gothra, as you know, same gothras is allocated for different class > of people and this is very complex structure. > > Hope you have time to answer these. Thanks for your time. > > Sukumar > > PS: Last but not the least, elders say in my household that if Gayathri > Manthra chanted daily for a period of 7 years, Gayathri follows you like a > shadow. > > > > Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Dear Shri Vishnu, Your post was wonderful. It exactly reflects our sampradayam as per the views of our Acharyas. Just one question/clarification. > In fact, we are not supposed to do any upAsanAs. We can do upAsanAs. Shri Ramanujar in fact insists that the upAsanA phase(Dharma Jignyasa) should exists in one's life cycle. But, whom do we worship through such upAsanA, should an upAsanA be done as a means for something or should it be done after realizing the swaroopam are the subjects of discussion. As per our sampradayam, upAsanA must be done only to Lord Sriman Narayana and that upAsanA must be done to make him happy, and not expecting any boon or miracle or help back from him. There are people who perform Sudharshana Yagnyam etc, saying that it is for the welfare of the family of the person who performs it. That very intent is not recommended by our sampradayam. If the same yagnyam was done as per the karma kandam i.e the dharmam, since these dharmams(vedas) are defined by the lord, by doing these we make him happy and hence, the sampradayam itself supports it. I guess what you meant was those upAsanAs that are "Kamyartham" i.e that are done for one's benefit. Please feel free to correct me if I were wrong. Dear Sukumar, > With this, can we deduce Savithramandala madhyavarthi as > Srimannarayana. Yes. What you have said is correct. Dhye sadha savithru mandala madhyavarthi Narayana sarasija asana sannivishtaha.. Keyuravan magara kuntalavan kruteehaari hiranmyavapuhu dhruta "shanka chakraha" -> Is very much the Surya Narayana. In fact, we have to do all our dharma karyams as per the Vedas. And via those karyams, we show our gratefulness to the inner controller, i.e the paramatma and make him feel happy by doing what he has asked (not expecting anything in return though). That is why, when we say the manthra devata, we attach the paramatma too i.e Savita Devata Paramatma Devata Shri Mahavishnu Paramatma Shriman Narayano Devata etc. This is to mean, we do the upAsanA to the devata and through that devata in turn to the Paramatma who is the actual controller of that devata. So, pretty much everything in this world could be worshipped, provided the worship is done to the inner controller, the omni-present lord. And for those, who cannot worship in such a way, it is better to stick to the Lord's particular form i.e for Ex: "Sa Shanka Chakram Cha Kireeda Kundalam Sa Peetha Vashtram Cha Rasirugekshanam Sa Haara Vaksha Sthala Shobi Kausthubham Namami Vishnum Sirasa Chathur Bhujam" [The one who has the Conch shell, the mighty Discus, the Crown and the Rings, the Beauty Yello dress, the Kausthubam beed! I bow and worship that Vishnu, the one with the Four Hands] Adiyen, Ramanuja Dasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 ramanuja, "Lakshmi Narasimhan" <nrusimhan@h...> wrote: > Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha > Dear Shri Vishnu, > Your post was wonderful. It exactly reflects our sampradayam as per > the views of our Acharyas. Just one question/clarification. Dear SrimAn narasimhan, kindly forgive me for my blabberings. By upAsanA, I meant kAmya worship only and not any ArAdhanam, ritual, or some other act done in the mood of kainkaryam or in the mood of acquiring knowledge.. I said "we are not supposed to do any upAsana but involve in kainkaryam" in my prev mail. adiyen rAmAnuja dAsan Vishnu > > > In fact, we are not supposed to do any upAsanAs. > We can do upAsanAs. Shri Ramanujar in fact insists that the upAsanA > phase(Dharma Jignyasa) should exists in one's life cycle. But, whom > do we worship through such upAsanA, should an upAsanA be done as a > means for something or should it be done after realizing the > swaroopam are the subjects of discussion. As per our sampradayam, > upAsanA must be done only to Lord Sriman Narayana and that upAsanA > must be done to make him happy, and not expecting any boon or miracle > or help back from him. There are people who perform Sudharshana > Yagnyam etc, saying that it is for the welfare of the family of the > person who performs it. That very intent is not recommended by our > sampradayam. If the same yagnyam was done as per the karma kandam i.e > the dharmam, since these dharmams(vedas) are defined by the lord, by > doing these we make him happy and hence, the sampradayam itself > supports it. > I guess what you meant was those upAsanAs that are "Kamyartham" i.e > that are done for one's benefit. > > Please feel free to correct me if I were wrong. > > > Dear Sukumar, > > With this, can we deduce Savithramandala madhyavarthi as > > Srimannarayana. > > Yes. What you have said is correct. Dhye sadha savithru mandala > madhyavarthi Narayana sarasija asana sannivishtaha.. Keyuravan magara > kuntalavan kruteehaari hiranmyavapuhu dhruta "shanka chakraha" -> Is > very much the Surya Narayana. > > In fact, we have to do all our dharma karyams as per the Vedas. And > via those karyams, we show our gratefulness to the inner controller, > i.e the paramatma and make him feel happy by doing what he has asked > (not expecting anything in return though). That is why, when we say > the manthra devata, we attach the paramatma too i.e > Savita Devata Paramatma Devata > Shri Mahavishnu Paramatma Shriman Narayano Devata > etc. This is to mean, we do the upAsanA to the devata and through > that devata in turn to the Paramatma who is the actual controller of > that devata. So, pretty much everything in this world could be > worshipped, provided the worship is done to the inner controller, the > omni-present lord. And for those, who cannot worship in such a way, > it is better to stick to the Lord's particular form i.e for Ex: > "Sa Shanka Chakram Cha Kireeda Kundalam > Sa Peetha Vashtram Cha Rasirugekshanam > Sa Haara Vaksha Sthala Shobi Kausthubham > Namami Vishnum Sirasa Chathur Bhujam" > [The one who has the Conch shell, the mighty Discus, the Crown and > the Rings, the Beauty Yello dress, the Kausthubam beed! I bow and > worship that Vishnu, the one with the Four Hands] > > Adiyen, > Ramanuja Dasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2003 Report Share Posted June 28, 2003 ramanuja, s.ramachandran@h... wrote: > > > > > Similarly, in the afternnon and in the evening. Therefore, in the > mornings, since the Sun is at its lowest and weakest, about to be born, it > requires more support and hence the argyam offered is thrice, while in the > afternnon, the Sun having risen to its full glory has acquired strength and > power and does not need much support, hence the argyam is offered twice, > while in the evening as it is about to retire after a tired day, just at > the point of waning its powers, glory are comparatively weaker and hence > the argyam offered is thrice. The argyam is the single most important > activity which when combined with Pranayama benefits the Sun. Dear Sriman Ramachandran, My intention is not to dig out the archives but to bring out an interesting point. In BhagavdgIta, Krishna says: yadAditya gatam tEjah jagat bhAsayatEkhilam yat chandramapi yacchAgnau tat tEjO viddhi mAmakam. >From this, it is to be understood that Sun, Moon, Fire etal. are supported by the Lord and they do not need our arghyam for making them strong. Then why arghyam? Lord Krishna says in gItA: patram pushpam phalam tOyam yO mE bhaktyA prayachhati tadaham bhaktyupahrutam aSnAmi prayatAtmanah Whether we offer Him a leaf, fruit, or some water out of love, He accepts them. We are supposed to offer arghyam to SrImannArAyaNa during sandhyA in the same mood. Ramanuja Dasan Vishnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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