Guest guest Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Priya Bagavad Bandus As per our Isthihasas it is true that SriRama naver went as a messanger, and only Sri Krishna did walk as a messanger. But SriRama's messanger SriHanuman was successful in His mission, Inspite of SriKrishna going as a messanger His mission was not successful. Futhur thoughts on this : Hanuman during His mission had His thoughts focused on SriRama and since He had surrendered to SriRama it was successful. Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender to, hence mission failure. Onceagain it proves that if surrender to our Acharya and leave our burdens to Him, He will make our life successful. Azhvar EmperumaNar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam Adiyen Chitra Ramanuja Dasee Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: A devotee once challenged Bhattar saying "Swamin! You show great devotion to Sri Rama but not to Sri Krishna. However, Lord Krishna is greater in one respect than Lord Rama and even you cannot deny that". Bhattar asked him "What is that?" The devotee replied "Lord Krishna went as a messenger for the Pandavas to the Kauravas. Lord Rama never did such an act. Therefore, you have to accept that Krishna is the more accesible form of the Lord". Bhattar replied "You are saying this without reading Azhvar's pasuram on thiru-evvuL. Thirumangai Azhvar says, munnOr thUthu vAnaraththin vAyil mozhindhu, arakkan mannOr thannai vALiyinAl mALA munindhu, avanE pinnOr thUthu AdhimannarkkAgip peru nilaththAr innAr thuthanena ninRAn evvuL kidanthAnE That is, it is the same Rama who sent a message through Hanuman who later walked as a messenger Himself for the Pandavas. Therefore, you cannot say that Sri Rama did not go as a messenger. However, even if you make such a claim, it is not that Rama could not be a messenger. He was born as a king and therefore no one asked Him to be one. Krishna was born in the yadava clan and therefore it was easy for the Pandavas to ask him to be their messenger. Had someone asked Rama to be a messenger, He would have gladly become one". Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 Sri Krishnaya Namah! Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender to, hence mission failure. GOD IS BEYOND FAILURES & SUCCESS. HE JUST ENJOYS EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN UNIVERSE WITH TRUE BLISS(Krishna) Yuga dharma plays a pivotal role in the prakruti and its inhabitants. Lord also acts as per the dharma, i.e., dwaparayuga and if He deem fit to have someone to surrender to Him, He, being the antharyami can get anyone to Him. It is all His leela and He acted as per the situation in that yuga, which is not better positioned when compared to threthayuga. Lord Krishna has many facets to His persona. To understand Him is like digesting the whole of vedas, even that is not enough to understand Him. His stance itself is tribhangi and His birth itself is a magic. Maya engulfed in its entirety during His birth and to talk about Him or one of His gunas is very difficult as He has many personalities. Those who read Mahabharatha like a story can deem it a failure on His part, but if we look through His perspective, things will look different, and we can't do that because we are children of lesser gods and are not endowed with such a brilliance. Many things we assume and presume but understanding Parabrahman is not possible in one life time. Sukumar Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah! Chitra Madhavan [sMTP:csmadhavan] 17/10/2003 9:22 PM ramanuja [ramanuja] mission Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Priya Bagavad Bandus As per our Isthihasas it is true that SriRama naver went as a messanger, and only Sri Krishna did walk as a messanger. But SriRama's messanger SriHanuman was successful in His mission, Inspite of SriKrishna going as a messanger His mission was not successful. Futhur thoughts on this : Hanuman during His mission had His thoughts focused on SriRama and since He had surrendered to SriRama it was successful. Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender to, hence mission failure. Onceagain it proves that if surrender to our Acharya and leave our burdens to Him, He will make our life successful. Azhvar EmperumaNar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam Adiyen Chitra Ramanuja Dasee Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: A devotee once challenged Bhattar saying "Swamin! You show great devotion to Sri Rama but not to Sri Krishna. However, Lord Krishna is greater in one respect than Lord Rama and even you cannot deny that". Bhattar asked him "What is that?" The devotee replied "Lord Krishna went as a messenger for the Pandavas to the Kauravas. Lord Rama never did such an act. Therefore, you have to accept that Krishna is the more accesible form of the Lord". Bhattar replied "You are saying this without reading Azhvar's pasuram on thiru-evvuL. Thirumangai Azhvar says, munnOr thUthu vAnaraththin vAyil mozhindhu, arakkan mannOr thannai vALiyinAl mALA munindhu, avanE pinnOr thUthu AdhimannarkkAgip peru nilaththAr innAr thuthanena ninRAn evvuL kidanthAnE That is, it is the same Rama who sent a message through Hanuman who later walked as a messenger Himself for the Pandavas. Therefore, you cannot say that Sri Rama did not go as a messenger. However, even if you make such a claim, it is not that Rama could not be a messenger. He was born as a king and therefore no one asked Him to be one. Krishna was born in the yadava clan and therefore it was easy for the Pandavas to ask him to be their messenger. Had someone asked Rama to be a messenger, He would have gladly become one". Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 Sri Parthasarathi thunai Srimathe ramanujaya Namaha Sri Vara Vara munayE Namaha Actually krishna did not fail in his mission since he never wanted to stop the war. This is explicitly seen from krishna sahadeva samvadam before krishna went to the court of duriyodhana as pandava dhootha. Sahadeva says, " Krishna the war can be stopped without happening only if you dont go as pandava dhootha" and he even ties krishna to prevent him from going. Why did krishna want the war to occur? To fulfil the challenge of droupathi and make her tie her loose hair. Only if the war occurs duriyodhana and dhushshAsana will be killed thereby droupathi can massage her hair with their blood and tie her hair according to her vow. So krishna did succeed in what he wanted to do. 'Man proposes god disposes' but emperuman will never fail. Ofcourse he enjoys his defeat to his bhakthas but that is only due to his nirangusa svathantharyam and his sankalpam to accept defeat and make his bhaktha successful. Adiyen ramanuja dAsee Sumithra Varadarajan sukumar <sukumar wrote: Sri Krishnaya Namah! Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender to, hence mission failure. GOD IS BEYOND FAILURES & SUCCESS. HE JUST ENJOYS EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN UNIVERSE WITH TRUE BLISS(Krishna) Yuga dharma plays a pivotal role in the prakruti and its inhabitants. Lord also acts as per the dharma, i.e., dwaparayuga and if He deem fit to have someone to surrender to Him, He, being the antharyami can get anyone to Him. It is all His leela and He acted as per the situation in that yuga, which is not better positioned when compared to threthayuga. Lord Krishna has many facets to His persona. To understand Him is like digesting the whole of vedas, even that is not enough to understand Him. His stance itself is tribhangi and His birth itself is a magic. Maya engulfed in its entirety during His birth and to talk about Him or one of His gunas is very difficult as He has many personalities. Those who read Mahabharatha like a story can deem it a failure on His part, but if we look through His perspective, things will look different, and we can't do that because we are children of lesser gods and are not endowed with such a brilliance. Many things we assume and presume but understanding Parabrahman is not possible in one life time. Sukumar Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah! Chitra Madhavan [sMTP:csmadhavan] 17/10/2003 9:22 PM ramanuja [ramanuja] mission Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Priya Bagavad Bandus As per our Isthihasas it is true that SriRama naver went as a messanger, and only Sri Krishna did walk as a messanger. But SriRama's messanger SriHanuman was successful in His mission, Inspite of SriKrishna going as a messanger His mission was not successful. Futhur thoughts on this : Hanuman during His mission had His thoughts focused on SriRama and since He had surrendered to SriRama it was successful. Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender to, hence mission failure. Onceagain it proves that if surrender to our Acharya and leave our burdens to Him, He will make our life successful. Azhvar EmperumaNar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam Adiyen Chitra Ramanuja Dasee Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: A devotee once challenged Bhattar saying "Swamin! You show great devotion to Sri Rama but not to Sri Krishna. However, Lord Krishna is greater in one respect than Lord Rama and even you cannot deny that". Bhattar asked him "What is that?" The devotee replied "Lord Krishna went as a messenger for the Pandavas to the Kauravas. Lord Rama never did such an act. Therefore, you have to accept that Krishna is the more accesible form of the Lord". Bhattar replied "You are saying this without reading Azhvar's pasuram on thiru-evvuL. Thirumangai Azhvar says, munnOr thUthu vAnaraththin vAyil mozhindhu, arakkan mannOr thannai vALiyinAl mALA munindhu, avanE pinnOr thUthu AdhimannarkkAgip peru nilaththAr innAr thuthanena ninRAn evvuL kidanthAnE That is, it is the same Rama who sent a message through Hanuman who later walked as a messenger Himself for the Pandavas. Therefore, you cannot say that Sri Rama did not go as a messenger. However, even if you make such a claim, it is not that Rama could not be a messenger. He was born as a king and therefore no one asked Him to be one. Krishna was born in the yadava clan and therefore it was easy for the Pandavas to ask him to be their messenger. Had someone asked Rama to be a messenger, He would have gladly become one". Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Your use of is subject to Sponsor azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear devotees, Humble praNAms to all. Despite Srirama being my heartthrob,I would surely love to defend Sri Parthasarathy. If duryodhana had accepted Srikrishna's proposal(not to have war and give pANdava's their lands),there wouldn't have been a bhagavad gita. Since BG is like the essence of the upanishads,imagine where we mortals would be without BG! It is the kAruNya sindhO Krishna(He is our well-wisher),realizing our plight,incarnated Himself(yadA yadA...tad AtmAnam srjAmyaham)and gave us the BG. Hence the mission was successful by all means. Mumukshuppadi clearly says,the Lord in SriKrishnAvatAram,assumes the role of Sri also. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam NC Nappinnai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: An interesting point about Hanuman's passage to Lanka as SriRama's messenger. SriRama was not there personally to guide or help Hanuman to reach Lanka. However, it His divine nama that Hanuman kept reciting all the time that helped him do that. Our acharyas point to this to show that His nama will help His devotees even if He does not come directly there. Recall the Mumukshuppadi sutra here that says "avan dhUrasthananAnAlum ithu kitti ninRu uthavum" - here ithu is His thirunamam. Another example for His nama helping is Draupadi caling out His name at her time of distress in the Kaurava sabha - "draupadikku AbaththilE pudavai suranthathu thirunAmamiRE". adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Dear ms sumithra varadharajan, Hundred percent true. I would like to recall periyAzhwAr thiru-mozhi pAsuram in this regard: "dhOthu chenRAi kuru-pAndavarkAi angOr poich chuRRam pEasich chenRu, bhEdham seidhu engum piNam paduthai, thiru mAl irunjOlai endhAi" 5-3-4 You went as a messenger talked all artifical relationships, divided and vanquished almost everybody there. Though this pAsuram is in the context of Lord performing deeds for His devotees, It is obvious from the reference that His mission was just a passing act for a larger act of the war. thank you vanamamalai padmanabhan - sumithra varadarajan ramanuja Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:09 PM RE: [ramanuja] mission Sri Parthasarathi thunai Srimathe ramanujaya Namaha Sri Vara Vara munayE Namaha Actually krishna did not fail in his mission since he never wanted to stop the war. This is explicitly seen from krishna sahadeva samvadam before krishna went to the court of duriyodhana as pandava dhootha. Sahadeva says, " Krishna the war can be stopped without happening only if you dont go as pandava dhootha" and he even ties krishna to prevent him from going. Why did krishna want the war to occur? To fulfil the challenge of droupathi and make her tie her loose hair. Only if the war occurs duriyodhana and dhushshAsana will be killed thereby droupathi can massage her hair with their blood and tie her hair according to her vow. So krishna did succeed in what he wanted to do. 'Man proposes god disposes' but emperuman will never fail. Ofcourse he enjoys his defeat to his bhakthas but that is only due to his nirangusa svathantharyam and his sankalpam to accept defeat and make his bhaktha successful. Adiyen ramanuja dAsee Sumithra Varadarajan sukumar <sukumar wrote: Sri Krishnaya Namah! Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender to, hence mission failure. GOD IS BEYOND FAILURES & SUCCESS. HE JUST ENJOYS EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN UNIVERSE WITH TRUE BLISS(Krishna) Yuga dharma plays a pivotal role in the prakruti and its inhabitants. Lord also acts as per the dharma, i.e., dwaparayuga and if He deem fit to have someone to surrender to Him, He, being the antharyami can get anyone to Him. It is all His leela and He acted as per the situation in that yuga, which is not better positioned when compared to threthayuga. Lord Krishna has many facets to His persona. To understand Him is like digesting the whole of vedas, even that is not enough to understand Him. His stance itself is tribhangi and His birth itself is a magic. Maya engulfed in its entirety during His birth and to talk about Him or one of His gunas is very difficult as He has many personalities. Those who read Mahabharatha like a story can deem it a failure on His part, but if we look through His perspective, things will look different, and we can't do that because we are children of lesser gods and are not endowed with such a brilliance. Many things we assume and presume but understanding Parabrahman is not possible in one life time. Sukumar Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah! Chitra Madhavan [sMTP:csmadhavan] 17/10/2003 9:22 PM ramanuja [ramanuja] mission Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Priya Bagavad Bandus As per our Isthihasas it is true that SriRama naver went as a messanger, and only Sri Krishna did walk as a messanger. But SriRama's messanger SriHanuman was successful in His mission, Inspite of SriKrishna going as a messanger His mission was not successful. Futhur thoughts on this : Hanuman during His mission had His thoughts focused on SriRama and since He had surrendered to SriRama it was successful. Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender to, hence mission failure. Onceagain it proves that if surrender to our Acharya and leave our burdens to Him, He will make our life successful. Azhvar EmperumaNar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam Adiyen Chitra Ramanuja Dasee Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: A devotee once challenged Bhattar saying "Swamin! You show great devotion to Sri Rama but not to Sri Krishna. However, Lord Krishna is greater in one respect than Lord Rama and even you cannot deny that". Bhattar asked him "What is that?" The devotee replied "Lord Krishna went as a messenger for the Pandavas to the Kauravas. Lord Rama never did such an act. Therefore, you have to accept that Krishna is the more accesible form of the Lord". Bhattar replied "You are saying this without reading Azhvar's pasuram on thiru-evvuL. Thirumangai Azhvar says, munnOr thUthu vAnaraththin vAyil mozhindhu, arakkan mannOr thannai vALiyinAl mALA munindhu, avanE pinnOr thUthu AdhimannarkkAgip peru nilaththAr innAr thuthanena ninRAn evvuL kidanthAnE That is, it is the same Rama who sent a message through Hanuman who later walked as a messenger Himself for the Pandavas. Therefore, you cannot say that Sri Rama did not go as a messenger. However, even if you make such a claim, it is not that Rama could not be a messenger. He was born as a king and therefore no one asked Him to be one. Krishna was born in the yadava clan and therefore it was easy for the Pandavas to ask him to be their messenger. Had someone asked Rama to be a messenger, He would have gladly become one". Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Your use of is subject to Sponsor azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam The New with improved product search Sponsor azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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