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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

 

Priya Bagavad Bandus

 

As per our Isthihasas it is true that SriRama naver went as a messanger, and

only Sri Krishna did walk as a messanger.

 

But SriRama's messanger SriHanuman was successful in His mission,

 

Inspite of SriKrishna going as a messanger His mission was not successful.

 

Futhur thoughts on this :

 

Hanuman during His mission had His thoughts focused on SriRama and since He had

surrendered to SriRama it was successful.

 

Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender to,

hence mission failure.

 

Onceagain it proves that if surrender to our Acharya and leave our burdens to

Him, He will make our life successful.

 

Azhvar EmperumaNar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam

Adiyen Chitra Ramanuja Dasee

 

 

 

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

 

A devotee once challenged Bhattar saying "Swamin! You

show great devotion to Sri Rama but not to Sri Krishna.

However, Lord Krishna is greater in one respect than

Lord Rama and even you cannot deny that".

 

Bhattar asked him "What is that?"

 

The devotee replied "Lord Krishna went as a messenger

for the Pandavas to the Kauravas. Lord Rama never did

such an act. Therefore, you have to accept that

Krishna is the more accesible form of the Lord".

 

Bhattar replied "You are saying this without reading

Azhvar's pasuram on thiru-evvuL.

 

Thirumangai Azhvar says,

 

munnOr thUthu vAnaraththin vAyil mozhindhu, arakkan

mannOr thannai vALiyinAl mALA munindhu, avanE

pinnOr thUthu AdhimannarkkAgip peru nilaththAr

innAr thuthanena ninRAn evvuL kidanthAnE

 

That is, it is the same Rama who sent a message through

Hanuman who later walked as a messenger Himself for the

Pandavas. Therefore, you cannot say that Sri Rama did

not go as a messenger.

 

However, even if you make such a claim, it is not that

Rama could not be a messenger. He was born as a king and

therefore no one asked Him to be one. Krishna was born

in the yadava clan and therefore it was easy for the

Pandavas to ask him to be their messenger. Had someone

asked Rama to be a messenger, He would have gladly

become one".

 

Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sri Krishnaya Namah!

 

Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender

to, hence mission failure.

 

GOD IS BEYOND FAILURES & SUCCESS. HE JUST ENJOYS EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN

UNIVERSE WITH TRUE BLISS(Krishna)

 

Yuga dharma plays a pivotal role in the prakruti and its inhabitants. Lord

also acts as per the dharma, i.e., dwaparayuga and if He deem fit to have

someone to surrender to Him, He, being the antharyami can get anyone to

Him. It is all His leela and He acted as per the situation in that yuga,

which is not better positioned when compared to threthayuga.

 

Lord Krishna has many facets to His persona. To understand Him is like

digesting the whole of vedas, even that is not enough to understand Him.

His stance itself is tribhangi and His birth itself is a magic. Maya

engulfed in its entirety during His birth and to talk about Him or one of

His gunas is very difficult as He has many personalities. Those who

read Mahabharatha like a story can deem it a failure on His part, but if we

look through His perspective, things will look different, and we can't do

that because we are children of lesser gods and are not endowed with such a

brilliance. Many things we assume and presume but understanding

Parabrahman is not possible in one life time.

 

 

Sukumar

 

 

Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah!

 

 

 

 

 

Chitra Madhavan [sMTP:csmadhavan]

17/10/2003 9:22 PM

ramanuja

[ramanuja] mission

 

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

 

Priya Bagavad Bandus

 

As per our Isthihasas it is true that SriRama naver went as a messanger,

and only Sri Krishna did walk as a messanger.

 

But SriRama's messanger SriHanuman was successful in His mission,

 

Inspite of SriKrishna going as a messanger His mission was not successful.

 

Futhur thoughts on this :

 

Hanuman during His mission had His thoughts focused on SriRama and since He

had surrendered to SriRama it was successful.

 

Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender

to, hence mission failure.

 

Onceagain it proves that if surrender to our Acharya and leave our burdens

to Him, He will make our life successful.

 

Azhvar EmperumaNar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam

Adiyen Chitra Ramanuja Dasee

 

 

 

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

 

A devotee once challenged Bhattar saying "Swamin! You

show great devotion to Sri Rama but not to Sri Krishna.

However, Lord Krishna is greater in one respect than

Lord Rama and even you cannot deny that".

 

Bhattar asked him "What is that?"

 

The devotee replied "Lord Krishna went as a messenger

for the Pandavas to the Kauravas. Lord Rama never did

such an act. Therefore, you have to accept that

Krishna is the more accesible form of the Lord".

 

Bhattar replied "You are saying this without reading

Azhvar's pasuram on thiru-evvuL.

 

Thirumangai Azhvar says,

 

munnOr thUthu vAnaraththin vAyil mozhindhu, arakkan

mannOr thannai vALiyinAl mALA munindhu, avanE

pinnOr thUthu AdhimannarkkAgip peru nilaththAr

innAr thuthanena ninRAn evvuL kidanthAnE

 

That is, it is the same Rama who sent a message through

Hanuman who later walked as a messenger Himself for the

Pandavas. Therefore, you cannot say that Sri Rama did

not go as a messenger.

 

However, even if you make such a claim, it is not that

Rama could not be a messenger. He was born as a king and

therefore no one asked Him to be one. Krishna was born

in the yadava clan and therefore it was easy for the

Pandavas to ask him to be their messenger. Had someone

asked Rama to be a messenger, He would have gladly

become one".

 

Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

 

 

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Sri Parthasarathi thunai

Srimathe ramanujaya Namaha

Sri Vara Vara munayE Namaha

 

Actually krishna did not fail in his mission since he never wanted to stop the

war. This is explicitly seen from krishna sahadeva samvadam before krishna went

to the court of duriyodhana as pandava dhootha. Sahadeva says, " Krishna the

war can be stopped without happening only if you dont go as pandava dhootha" and

he even ties krishna to prevent him from going. Why did krishna want the war to

occur? To fulfil the challenge of droupathi and make her tie her loose hair.

Only if the war occurs duriyodhana and dhushshAsana will be killed thereby

droupathi can massage her hair with their blood and tie her hair according to

her vow. So krishna did succeed in what he wanted to do. 'Man proposes god

disposes' but emperuman will never fail. Ofcourse he enjoys his defeat to his

bhakthas but that is only due to his nirangusa svathantharyam and his sankalpam

to accept defeat and make his bhaktha successful.

 

Adiyen ramanuja dAsee

Sumithra Varadarajan

 

sukumar <sukumar wrote:

Sri Krishnaya Namah!

 

Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender

to, hence mission failure.

 

GOD IS BEYOND FAILURES & SUCCESS. HE JUST ENJOYS EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN

UNIVERSE WITH TRUE BLISS(Krishna)

 

Yuga dharma plays a pivotal role in the prakruti and its inhabitants. Lord

also acts as per the dharma, i.e., dwaparayuga and if He deem fit to have

someone to surrender to Him, He, being the antharyami can get anyone to

Him. It is all His leela and He acted as per the situation in that yuga,

which is not better positioned when compared to threthayuga.

 

Lord Krishna has many facets to His persona. To understand Him is like

digesting the whole of vedas, even that is not enough to understand Him.

His stance itself is tribhangi and His birth itself is a magic. Maya

engulfed in its entirety during His birth and to talk about Him or one of

His gunas is very difficult as He has many personalities. Those who

read Mahabharatha like a story can deem it a failure on His part, but if we

look through His perspective, things will look different, and we can't do

that because we are children of lesser gods and are not endowed with such a

brilliance. Many things we assume and presume but understanding

Parabrahman is not possible in one life time.

 

 

Sukumar

 

 

Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah!

 

 

 

 

 

Chitra Madhavan [sMTP:csmadhavan]

17/10/2003 9:22 PM

ramanuja

[ramanuja] mission

 

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

 

Priya Bagavad Bandus

 

As per our Isthihasas it is true that SriRama naver went as a messanger,

and only Sri Krishna did walk as a messanger.

 

But SriRama's messanger SriHanuman was successful in His mission,

 

Inspite of SriKrishna going as a messanger His mission was not successful.

 

Futhur thoughts on this :

 

Hanuman during His mission had His thoughts focused on SriRama and since He

had surrendered to SriRama it was successful.

 

Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender

to, hence mission failure.

 

Onceagain it proves that if surrender to our Acharya and leave our burdens

to Him, He will make our life successful.

 

Azhvar EmperumaNar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam

Adiyen Chitra Ramanuja Dasee

 

 

 

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

 

A devotee once challenged Bhattar saying "Swamin! You

show great devotion to Sri Rama but not to Sri Krishna.

However, Lord Krishna is greater in one respect than

Lord Rama and even you cannot deny that".

 

Bhattar asked him "What is that?"

 

The devotee replied "Lord Krishna went as a messenger

for the Pandavas to the Kauravas. Lord Rama never did

such an act. Therefore, you have to accept that

Krishna is the more accesible form of the Lord".

 

Bhattar replied "You are saying this without reading

Azhvar's pasuram on thiru-evvuL.

 

Thirumangai Azhvar says,

 

munnOr thUthu vAnaraththin vAyil mozhindhu, arakkan

mannOr thannai vALiyinAl mALA munindhu, avanE

pinnOr thUthu AdhimannarkkAgip peru nilaththAr

innAr thuthanena ninRAn evvuL kidanthAnE

 

That is, it is the same Rama who sent a message through

Hanuman who later walked as a messenger Himself for the

Pandavas. Therefore, you cannot say that Sri Rama did

not go as a messenger.

 

However, even if you make such a claim, it is not that

Rama could not be a messenger. He was born as a king and

therefore no one asked Him to be one. Krishna was born

in the yadava clan and therefore it was easy for the

Pandavas to ask him to be their messenger. Had someone

asked Rama to be a messenger, He would have gladly

become one".

 

Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

 

 

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Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

 

Dear devotees,

Humble praNAms to all. Despite Srirama being my

heartthrob,I would surely love to defend Sri Parthasarathy. If

duryodhana had accepted Srikrishna's proposal(not to have war and

give pANdava's their lands),there wouldn't have been a bhagavad

gita. Since BG is like the essence of the upanishads,imagine where

we mortals would be without BG! It is the kAruNya sindhO Krishna(He

is our well-wisher),realizing our plight,incarnated Himself(yadA

yadA...tad AtmAnam srjAmyaham)and gave us the BG. Hence the mission

was successful by all means. Mumukshuppadi clearly says,the Lord in

SriKrishnAvatAram,assumes the role of Sri also.

 

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam

NC Nappinnai

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Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

 

An interesting point about Hanuman's passage to Lanka

as SriRama's messenger.

 

SriRama was not there personally to guide or help

Hanuman to reach Lanka. However, it His divine nama

that Hanuman kept reciting all the time that helped

him do that.

 

Our acharyas point to this to show that His nama will

help His devotees even if He does not come directly

there. Recall the Mumukshuppadi sutra here that says

"avan dhUrasthananAnAlum ithu kitti ninRu uthavum"

- here ithu is His thirunamam. Another example for

His nama helping is Draupadi caling out His name

at her time of distress in the Kaurava sabha -

"draupadikku AbaththilE pudavai suranthathu

thirunAmamiRE".

 

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Dear ms sumithra varadharajan,

Hundred percent true. I would like to recall periyAzhwAr thiru-mozhi pAsuram in

this regard:

"dhOthu chenRAi kuru-pAndavarkAi angOr poich chuRRam pEasich chenRu, bhEdham

seidhu engum piNam paduthai,

thiru mAl irunjOlai endhAi" 5-3-4

 

You went as a messenger talked all artifical relationships, divided and

vanquished almost everybody there. Though this pAsuram is in the context of Lord

performing deeds for His devotees, It is obvious from the reference that His

mission was just a passing act for a larger act of the war.

thank you

vanamamalai padmanabhan

-

sumithra varadarajan

ramanuja

Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:09 PM

RE: [ramanuja] mission

 

 

Sri Parthasarathi thunai

Srimathe ramanujaya Namaha

Sri Vara Vara munayE Namaha

 

Actually krishna did not fail in his mission since he never wanted to stop the

war. This is explicitly seen from krishna sahadeva samvadam before krishna went

to the court of duriyodhana as pandava dhootha. Sahadeva says, " Krishna the

war can be stopped without happening only if you dont go as pandava dhootha" and

he even ties krishna to prevent him from going. Why did krishna want the war to

occur? To fulfil the challenge of droupathi and make her tie her loose hair.

Only if the war occurs duriyodhana and dhushshAsana will be killed thereby

droupathi can massage her hair with their blood and tie her hair according to

her vow. So krishna did succeed in what he wanted to do. 'Man proposes god

disposes' but emperuman will never fail. Ofcourse he enjoys his defeat to his

bhakthas but that is only due to his nirangusa svathantharyam and his sankalpam

to accept defeat and make his bhaktha successful.

 

Adiyen ramanuja dAsee

Sumithra Varadarajan

 

sukumar <sukumar wrote:

Sri Krishnaya Namah!

 

Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender

to, hence mission failure.

 

GOD IS BEYOND FAILURES & SUCCESS. HE JUST ENJOYS EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN

UNIVERSE WITH TRUE BLISS(Krishna)

 

Yuga dharma plays a pivotal role in the prakruti and its inhabitants. Lord

also acts as per the dharma, i.e., dwaparayuga and if He deem fit to have

someone to surrender to Him, He, being the antharyami can get anyone to

Him. It is all His leela and He acted as per the situation in that yuga,

which is not better positioned when compared to threthayuga.

 

Lord Krishna has many facets to His persona. To understand Him is like

digesting the whole of vedas, even that is not enough to understand Him.

His stance itself is tribhangi and His birth itself is a magic. Maya

engulfed in its entirety during His birth and to talk about Him or one of

His gunas is very difficult as He has many personalities. Those who

read Mahabharatha like a story can deem it a failure on His part, but if we

look through His perspective, things will look different, and we can't do

that because we are children of lesser gods and are not endowed with such a

brilliance. Many things we assume and presume but understanding

Parabrahman is not possible in one life time.

 

 

Sukumar

 

 

Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah!

 

 

 

 

Chitra Madhavan [sMTP:csmadhavan]

17/10/2003 9:22 PM

ramanuja

[ramanuja] mission

 

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

 

Priya Bagavad Bandus

 

As per our Isthihasas it is true that SriRama naver went as a messanger,

and only Sri Krishna did walk as a messanger.

 

But SriRama's messanger SriHanuman was successful in His mission,

 

Inspite of SriKrishna going as a messanger His mission was not successful.

 

Futhur thoughts on this :

 

Hanuman during His mission had His thoughts focused on SriRama and since He

had surrendered to SriRama it was successful.

 

Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender

to, hence mission failure.

 

Onceagain it proves that if surrender to our Acharya and leave our burdens

to Him, He will make our life successful.

 

Azhvar EmperumaNar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam

Adiyen Chitra Ramanuja Dasee

 

 

 

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

 

A devotee once challenged Bhattar saying "Swamin! You

show great devotion to Sri Rama but not to Sri Krishna.

However, Lord Krishna is greater in one respect than

Lord Rama and even you cannot deny that".

 

Bhattar asked him "What is that?"

 

The devotee replied "Lord Krishna went as a messenger

for the Pandavas to the Kauravas. Lord Rama never did

such an act. Therefore, you have to accept that

Krishna is the more accesible form of the Lord".

 

Bhattar replied "You are saying this without reading

Azhvar's pasuram on thiru-evvuL.

 

Thirumangai Azhvar says,

 

munnOr thUthu vAnaraththin vAyil mozhindhu, arakkan

mannOr thannai vALiyinAl mALA munindhu, avanE

pinnOr thUthu AdhimannarkkAgip peru nilaththAr

innAr thuthanena ninRAn evvuL kidanthAnE

 

That is, it is the same Rama who sent a message through

Hanuman who later walked as a messenger Himself for the

Pandavas. Therefore, you cannot say that Sri Rama did

not go as a messenger.

 

However, even if you make such a claim, it is not that

Rama could not be a messenger. He was born as a king and

therefore no one asked Him to be one. Krishna was born

in the yadava clan and therefore it was easy for the

Pandavas to ask him to be their messenger. Had someone

asked Rama to be a messenger, He would have gladly

become one".

 

Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

 

 

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