Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Sri: ====================================================== Red color denotes HIS love and grace Grace. (Thayar) (1: HIghtens the beauty & color of the LORD : Red on White) (On a side note)Red color reflects the least energy, and is yet the most effective for the Human eye, if interested please reply to adiyen i will explain via personal mail) The yellow color is also used by Vaikhanasas Vaishnavas who do not undergo Bharanyasam, (They undergo panchasamskaram while in thier Mother's womb) ======================================================== BOTH Yellow and Red Srichurnam are made of turmeric (unprocessed: yellow) ======================================================== The yellow variety is not mere turmeric powder; it undergoes certain process before it is applied on our skin. The red variety is turmeric mixed with lime, and also processed. There is very small (minute) significance in the different color, despite arguments to the contrary. For both parties in Pancharatra system: SriChurnam represents the presence of Lakshmi. Some Sri Vaishnavas of the Desika Sampradaya wear yellow SrIChurnam. Some wear red. All the Thengalai sampradaya wear red SrIChurnam. These arguments on color of Srichurnam did not exist during Ramanuja, Lokacharya, Vedanatacharya or Mamunigal's time. (they would have mentioned this in some work) So these are new developments (about 200 to 300 years) in our age old sampradaya (Starting from the Lord Himself), It has become common in recent times for some to argue that yellow SriChurnam alone is correct for Vadakalai based Sri Vaishnavas. And some Acharyas have started making this a standard to enforce. This is baseless, I have seen many families, who were wearing Red, stating vehemently that is what their ancestors had adorned. Then One fine day, they change to Yellow as their Acharya has told them to Change. (Going against Andal's teachings "SeiiyaDhana Seiiyom") I have seen orthodox, extremely devout and knowledgable Vadakalai Sri Vaishnavas wear the RED Srichurnam. (authentic photographs of the first 20 or 30 Ahobila Mutt, Parakala Matt swamis ) (IMHO:There is nothing wrong in openly dicussing these with our acharyas, as long as this is done very humbly and with the intent to learn, authentic acharyas will be happy to help) (Aunthentic Acharyas and Vaishnavas are free of Anger so one can discuss and learn openly) (Our Purvacharyas have questioned and learnt a lot from questioning as shown in GuruParampara Prabhavam 6000 padi) (PS: Adiyen also had questions on when the Seperate ritual Bharanyasam started, as there is no mention of this for any of our purvacharyas, even for Swami VedantaDesikan, his history records his first harcut to shikha to upanayannam etc, But No INFo on whom he got Bharanyasams from. (Or any other acharyas got their Bharanyasams from) One's personal practice should be dictated by family tradition. If you know your father, grandfather used to wear red, stick with what has been your family practice. ================================================ More details to follow, with Shastra proofs and personal reasearch ================================================ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 "It has become common in recent times for some to argue that yellow SriChurnam alone is correct for Vadakalai based Sri Vaishnavas. And some Acharyas have started making this a standard to enforce. This is baseless, I have seen many families, who were wearing Red, stating vehemently that is what their ancestors had adorned. Then One fine day, they change to Yellow as their Acharya has told them to Change. (Going against Andal's teachings "SeiiyaDhana Seiiyom")" Dear Sriman Mukundan Pattangi: I would like to express my total displeasure for the above comments. They are very poor in taste. You are indeed telling that Sri Desika Sampradhaya Acharyas who were telling their sishyas to wear yellow srichrunam are doing SeiiyaDhana Seiiyom?? Swamin for me adiyen's achraya is the supreme deity. Just to show the supremacy of the Acharya Sri Namperumal showed his sishya bhakthi towards Sri Mamunigal. Sri Mamunigal did not cry for Sri Ranganathan's grace but he cried Swami SriBhashyakarar's grace in Aarthi Prabhandam. Swamin it is your right to argue which form of Thiruman or Srichurnam is correct based on your beliefs. I have no problem with that. But when you start saying that Sri Desika sampradhaya people who were following their Acharya's words are doing SeiiyaDhana Seiiyom, is completely unacceptable. Those Acharyas have more anushtanams, more sastra knowledge than you and me. And they are asking their sishyas to follow certain things. What is your problem? You follow your Acharya's words. You say discuss issues with your Acharyas. Every sishya who is curious about our sampradhyam ask all sorts of questions to their acharyas. I don't think anyone needs your recommendation. But I think you need to clarify things for yourself first. I was laughing when you said, "The yellow color is also used by Vaikhanasas Vaishnavas who do not undergo Bharanyasam, (They undergo panchasamskaram while in thier Mother's womb)". Because in many Vaikanasa agamas temple, Archakas do wear red color sri chrunam. Asking intelligent and inquisitive questions is one thing. But making comments with half-boiled truth will only propagate hatred among already divided SriVaishnava community. Please avoid hatred filled half-boiled comments from your writings. Adiyen Ramanujadasan Kannan ramanuja, Pattangi <danp@u...> wrote: > Sri: > > ====================================================== > Red color denotes HIS love and grace Grace. (Thayar) > (1: HIghtens the beauty & color of the LORD : Red on White) > > (On a side note)Red color reflects the least energy, and is yet the most effective for > the Human eye, if interested please reply to adiyen i will explain via personal mail) > > The yellow color is also used by Vaikhanasas Vaishnavas who do not undergo > Bharanyasam, (They undergo panchasamskaram while in thier Mother's womb) > ======================================================== > BOTH Yellow and Red Srichurnam are made of turmeric (unprocessed: yellow) > ======================================================== > The yellow variety is not mere turmeric powder; > it undergoes certain process before it is applied on our skin. > > The red variety is turmeric mixed with lime, and also processed. > > There is very small (minute) significance in the different color, > despite arguments to the contrary. > > For both parties in Pancharatra system: SriChurnam represents the > presence of Lakshmi. > > Some Sri Vaishnavas of the Desika Sampradaya wear > yellow SrIChurnam. Some wear red. > > All the Thengalai sampradaya wear red SrIChurnam. > > These arguments on color of Srichurnam did not exist during > Ramanuja, Lokacharya, Vedanatacharya or Mamunigal's time. > (they would have mentioned this in some work) > > So these are new developments (about 200 to 300 years) > in our age old sampradaya (Starting from the Lord Himself), > > It has become common in recent times for some to argue > that yellow SriChurnam alone is correct for Vadakalai based > Sri Vaishnavas. And some Acharyas have started making this a > standard to enforce. > > This is baseless, I have seen many families, who were wearing Red, > stating vehemently that is what their ancestors had adorned. > Then One fine day, they change to Yellow as their Acharya has > told them to Change. (Going against Andal's teachings "SeiiyaDhana Seiiyom") > > I have seen orthodox, extremely devout and knowledgable > Vadakalai Sri Vaishnavas wear the RED Srichurnam. > (authentic photographs of the first 20 or 30 Ahobila Mutt, Parakala Matt swamis ) > > (IMHO:There is nothing wrong in openly dicussing these with our acharyas, as long as > this is done very humbly and with the intent to learn, authentic acharyas will be happy to help) > (Aunthentic Acharyas and Vaishnavas are free of Anger so one can discuss and learn openly) > (Our Purvacharyas have questioned and learnt a lot from questioning > as shown in GuruParampara Prabhavam 6000 padi) > > (PS: Adiyen also had questions on when the Seperate ritual Bharanyasam started, > as there is no mention of this for any of our purvacharyas, even for Swami VedantaDesikan, > his history records his first harcut to shikha to upanayannam etc, But No INFo on > whom he got Bharanyasams from. (Or any other acharyas got their Bharanyasams from) > > > One's personal practice should be dictated by family tradition. > If you know your father, grandfather used to wear red, stick with > what has been your family practice. > ================================================ > More details to follow, with Shastra proofs and personal reasearch > ================================================ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Swamin: May I request with folded hands every one that there should not be any misunderstanding on this subject of the color? I noted that there are lot of different opinions on this topic. I think that we should follow what the ancestors did and what our acharyas say. I think that there should not be any more discussion on this topic. Let us not hurt any one's sentiments. Let us pray for Sriman Narayana and Piratti for their mercy. subhakan wrote: > "It has become common in recent times for some to argue > that yellow SriChurnam alone is correct for Vadakalai based > Sri Vaishnavas. And some Acharyas have started making this a > standard to enforce. > > This is baseless, I have seen many families, who were wearing Red, > stating vehemently that is what their ancestors had adorned. > Then One fine day, they change to Yellow as their Acharya has > told them to Change. (Going against Andal's teachings "SeiiyaDhana > Seiiyom")" > > Dear Sriman Mukundan Pattangi: > I would like to express my total displeasure for the above comments. > They are very poor in taste. You are indeed telling that Sri Desika > Sampradhaya Acharyas who were telling their sishyas to wear yellow > srichrunam are doing SeiiyaDhana Seiiyom?? Swamin for me adiyen's > achraya is the supreme deity. Just to show the supremacy of the > Acharya Sri Namperumal showed his sishya bhakthi towards Sri > Mamunigal. Sri Mamunigal did not cry for Sri Ranganathan's grace but > he cried Swami SriBhashyakarar's grace in Aarthi Prabhandam. Swamin > it is your right to argue which form of Thiruman or Srichurnam is > correct based on your beliefs. I have no problem with that. But when > you start saying that Sri Desika sampradhaya people who were > following their Acharya's words are doing SeiiyaDhana Seiiyom, is > completely unacceptable. Those Acharyas have more anushtanams, more > sastra knowledge than you and me. And they are asking their sishyas > to follow certain things. What is your problem? You follow your > Acharya's words. > You say discuss issues with your Acharyas. Every sishya who is > curious about our sampradhyam ask all sorts of questions to their > acharyas. I don't think anyone needs your recommendation. But I > think you need to clarify things for yourself first. I was laughing > when you said, "The yellow color is also used by Vaikhanasas > Vaishnavas who do not undergo > Bharanyasam, (They undergo panchasamskaram while in thier Mother's > womb)". Because in many Vaikanasa agamas temple, Archakas do wear > red color sri chrunam. > Asking intelligent and inquisitive questions is one thing. But > making comments with half-boiled truth will only propagate hatred > among already divided SriVaishnava community. Please avoid hatred > filled half-boiled comments from your writings. > > Adiyen Ramanujadasan Kannan > > > > ramanuja, Pattangi <danp@u...> wrote: > > Sri: > > > > ====================================================== > > Red color denotes HIS love and grace Grace. (Thayar) > > (1: HIghtens the beauty & color of the LORD : Red on White) > > > > (On a side note)Red color reflects the least energy, and is yet > the most effective for > > the Human eye, if interested please reply to adiyen i will explain > via personal mail) > > > > The yellow color is also used by Vaikhanasas Vaishnavas who do not > undergo > > Bharanyasam, (They undergo panchasamskaram while in thier Mother's > womb) > > ======================================================== > > BOTH Yellow and Red Srichurnam are made of turmeric (unprocessed: > yellow) > > ======================================================== > > The yellow variety is not mere turmeric powder; > > it undergoes certain process before it is applied on our skin. > > > > The red variety is turmeric mixed with lime, and also processed. > > > > There is very small (minute) significance in the different color, > > despite arguments to the contrary. > > > > For both parties in Pancharatra system: SriChurnam represents the > > presence of Lakshmi. > > > > Some Sri Vaishnavas of the Desika Sampradaya wear > > yellow SrIChurnam. Some wear red. > > > > All the Thengalai sampradaya wear red SrIChurnam. > > > > These arguments on color of Srichurnam did not exist during > > Ramanuja, Lokacharya, Vedanatacharya or Mamunigal's time. > > (they would have mentioned this in some work) > > > > So these are new developments (about 200 to 300 years) > > in our age old sampradaya (Starting from the Lord Himself), > > > > It has become common in recent times for some to argue > > that yellow SriChurnam alone is correct for Vadakalai based > > Sri Vaishnavas. And some Acharyas have started making this a > > standard to enforce. > > > > This is baseless, I have seen many families, who were wearing Red, > > stating vehemently that is what their ancestors had adorned. > > Then One fine day, they change to Yellow as their Acharya has > > told them to Change. (Going against Andal's > teachings "SeiiyaDhana Seiiyom") > > > > I have seen orthodox, extremely devout and knowledgable > > Vadakalai Sri Vaishnavas wear the RED Srichurnam. > > (authentic photographs of the first 20 or 30 Ahobila Mutt, > Parakala Matt swamis ) > > > > (IMHO:There is nothing wrong in openly dicussing these with our > acharyas, as long as > > this is done very humbly and with the intent to learn, authentic > acharyas will be happy to help) > > (Aunthentic Acharyas and Vaishnavas are free of Anger so one can > discuss and learn openly) > > (Our Purvacharyas have questioned and learnt a lot from > questioning > > as shown in GuruParampara Prabhavam 6000 padi) > > > > (PS: Adiyen also had questions on when the Seperate ritual > Bharanyasam started, > > as there is no mention of this for any of our purvacharyas, even > for Swami VedantaDesikan, > > his history records his first harcut to shikha to upanayannam etc, > But No INFo on > > whom he got Bharanyasams from. (Or any other acharyas got their > Bharanyasams from) > > > > > > One's personal practice should be dictated by family tradition. > > If you know your father, grandfather used to wear red, stick with > > what has been your family practice. > > ================================================ > > More details to follow, with Shastra proofs and personal reasearch > > ================================================ > > > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > ------ > Links > > * > ramanuja/ > > * > ramanuja > <ramanuja?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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