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Namaste,

 

I will be grateful to you if you could enlighten me on the following:

 

* What is the state of soul in the salvation?

 

* Where will be the location of soul, that has attained salvation?

 

Namaste

Ramesh

 

 

>ramanuja

>ramanuja

>ramanuja

>[ramanuja] Digest Number 736

>16 Feb 2004 12:55:02 -0000

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>There are 12 messages in this issue.

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>Topics in this digest:

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> 1. Re: Digest Number 731 - Sandhya/Gayathri related

> "apramanujam" <apramanujam

> 2. bhutanese rerfgee

> bhuwan sharma <bhuwansharma_w

> 3. nAnmugan thiruvandhAdhi-15

> "Sumithra Varadarajan" <sumivaradan

> 4. Re: Re: Dasa Avatara

> "Sumithra Varadarajan" <sumivaradan

> 5. AchArya Hrdhyam 156

> nsp <aazhwar

> 6. Fw: Ten avathAram-s

> nsp <aazhwar

> 7. geethA sAstramum nedunthAndaka sAstramum-14

> "Sumithra Varadarajan" <sumivaradan

> 8. Re: Sandhya/Gayathri related

> "amshuman_k" <amshuman_k

> 9. Ten AvathArAs

> nsp <aazhwar

> 10. AchArya Hrdhayam 157

> nsp <aazhwar

> 11. Re: Re: Sandhya/Gayathri related

> srinivasa chary <srinivasadasa

> 12. AchArya Hrdhayam 158

> nsp <aazhwar

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>Message: 1

> Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:56:55 -0000

> "apramanujam" <apramanujam

>Re: Digest Number 731 - Sandhya/Gayathri related

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> Dear Bhagavathas,

> I was really happy to see Smt.Sumitra's mail, as she has

>written whatever I wanted to write. To add a few more lines to her

>mail regarding the Anushtanam's followed by our poorvacharyars,

> Our Ramanuja Sampradhayam emphasizes Seshathvam and

>Parathanthriyam and also "Melaiyar seivangal". A Seshan cannot ask

>questions nor he cannot do researches on the statements of his master.

>(this is against our Sampradhayam). so all we need to do is to follow

>simply.

> Eventhough, I understand that it is difficult to follow(esp when

>it comes to Sandhya) lets not find justifications for not doing as it

>been rightly quoted in the mail "Avan manam kanni pOga nAm

>kAranamAgalAmA?".If we start doing this way, then the future

>generations will come with more questions such as "what is scientific

>reason for doing Thiruvaradhanam, why should I go to temple as

>Perumal is there in my heart as Antharyami etc. etc."

> When our Ramanuja found it difficult for people like us(the

>regular samsari) to do the three Yogas to attain our Beloved Lord and

>made "Saranagathi" the best way, then why didn't he change other

>karmas too? Are we that qualified to question them and change them?

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>Kshmikka prarthikkiren,

>

>adiyen

>ramanujam

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> Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:21:04 -0800 (PST)

> bhuwan sharma <bhuwansharma_w

>bhutanese rerfgee

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>asmad guru vieow namaha

>shreematey ramanujaya namaha

> jay shreeman narayana

> This is my first letter to you because i got link

>just few days back.

> I am a student of Bsc final eyer in Sikkim govt

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> Let me introduce to you.

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> We are large nos of Ramanuj shree vishnabs in camps

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>jaya shreeman narayan

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>Message: 3

> Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:37:54 +0530

> "Sumithra Varadarajan" <sumivaradan

>nAnmugan thiruvandhAdhi-15

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>Sri Parthasarathi thunai

>Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

>Sri Vara Vara MunayE Namaha

>Sri vAnAchala mahA munayE Namaha

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>Paasuram-8

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>"elaituNai mattrennenjE Esanaivendra

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> silaikoNda senkaNmAl sErA- kulaikoNda

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> eerain thalaiyAn elangaiyai eedazhiththa

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> kooranbha nallAl kurai"

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>Oh! Azhvar like a few who are adamant that we will eat only when cooked in

>our house or else will remain hungry throughout why are you acting

>foolishly saying "nAnunnaiyandri elEn kandAi nAraNanE" why don't you get

>your wishes satisfied with the help of others? Azhvar answers in this

>paasuram stating that no one other than the senkAnmAl (sriya:pathi Sriman

>Narayanan) can become our saviour. Moreover not stopping with being unable

>to help us they also prevent emperuman from coming to our help instructs

>azhvar to his mind.

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>(elaituNai mattru) More than understanding that emperuman is the only

>saviour it is more important to realize that others can never take that

>role. It is very important for a Srivaishnavaite to remain away from

>anyasEshatvam (servitude to anyone other than emperuman) "thiruvadi than

>nAmam marandhum puramthOzhA mAndhar". On the same lines, we have to get to

>our memory the aphorism of pillai ulagariyan in mumukshupadi, "adhilum

>anyasEshatvam kazhigaiyE pradhAnam"

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>(en nenjE) Oh! My mind you are suitable for me to give this divine

>rahasyam. You are not like the other's mind that has a number of

>confusions ("sanjalam he mana:")

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>Why do you say that others cannot be the saviour? That is because he alone

>is the paramAtma. But there are references that state even rudra to be the

>paramatma? Let's see how their paratvam remains continues azhvar,

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>(eesanai vendra silai koNda senkaNmAl) the emperuman holds the bow which

>was obtained on winning rudra. This particular incident is found in Sri

>Ramayana Baala kAndam where parasurAma narrates the incident to Sri Rama

>Piran. "Oh! Rama These two bows that belong to the devaloka where well

>created by vishvakarma. They are world famous, strong, marvellous, and

>powerful. Among these one was given to rudra who wanted to do

>tripuradahanam. Only that bow which was handy in burning the tripura was

>broken by you in the janaka sabhai. This powerful second bow was gifted to

>mahavishnu by the devas. This vishnu danus has equal power with the siva

>danus. At that time the devas wanted to test the power of Siva and Vishnu

>and hence they requested the same to brahma. That Brahma who was chief

>among the brahmajnAnis created a conflict between rudra and Vishnu. So a

>big war started between rudra and Vishnu. At that time the great bow of

>Siva that did many big jobs cracked a little just due to the 'hoonkAram' (a

>sign of anger) of Vishnu. And Siva fainted. Later due to the request of

>the rishis and devas Vishnu and Siva calmed down. At that time the rishis

>who visualised the cracking of Siva danus due to the anger of Vishnu

>realized the supremacy of Vishnu," says the Valmiki rAmAyana. This

>incident has been reminded by azhvar in the above line.

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>(eesanai vendra silai) So not emperuman his bow itself won over Rudra.

>That shows that even emperuman's divya ayudhAs (weapons) have power to win

>over other devatas. Then how can they be considered equal to emperuman? Or

>otherwise it can be read as "eesanai vendra senkaNmAl"

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>(silai koNda) Emperuman just held the bow that won over Rudra. It was not

>necessary for emperuman to put any other effort other than just holding the

>bow the rest was done by the bow itself. That shows that each and every

>thing belonging to emperuman has special powers. That even includes

>bhagavatas. So the anya devatas never come near bhagavatas or they show

>their special regards to the bhagavatas.

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>(senkaNmAl) Emperuman has reddish eyes that indicate his supremacy.

>"kapyAsam pundareekamEva aksheenee" (he has two eyes that are like the

>lotus that has blossomed due to the rising of the sun). Sem kaN mAl can

>also refer to Sri rAmapiran with reddish eyes that indicate his love to his

>devotees. "rAmO rAjeeva lOchana:rAma kamala patrAksha:Sem kaN"

>refers to wealth and love whereas "mAl" refers to supreme and lover.

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>(elai tuNai mattrennenjE eesani vendra silai koNda senkaNmAl) Will the

>emperuman who won over Rudra become the sarva rakshakan or will the

>defeated Rudra become the saviour?

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>(senkaNmAl sErA) Not joining the ghosti of rAma who is the incarnation of

>the pundareekAkshan, sarvEshvaran rAvana says,

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>"dvithA bhajjEyamapyEvam.....svabhAvO dhuradhikrama:" (Even if I am cut

>into two I will not prostrate anyone. This is a quality born with me and

>hence cannot be changed)

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>(senkaNmAl sErA) Even after seeing the beautiful lovable eyes of emperuman

>can anyone be without falling to his feet?

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>(eesanai vendra....senkaNmAl sErA) But when even Rudra who is a devotee of

>emperuman (anukoolan) suddenly due to the increase of thAmasa guna wages a

>war against emperuman what to say about a person who is always in the

>opposite army (prathikoolan). Who is that?

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>(kulaikoNda eerainthaliyAn) He is none other than ravana who has a bunch of

>10 heads. "koththuthalaivan kudikeda thOndriya" says periyAzhvar (1-9-3)

>

>(eerainthalaiyAn elangaiyai eedazhiththa) "lankAm rAvaNa pAlithAm" the

>lanka was protected by a great warrior, rAvana. But even that lanka was

>shattered by emperuman.

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>(kooranbhanallAl kurai elai tuNai) None other than rAmapiran who has a

>strong arrow in his hands can solve our problems and protect us.

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>PeriyavAchAn pillai's vyakhyanam

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>"EmperumAnAr sri pAdhaththai Ashsrayiththavargal achEtanamAna kriyA

>kalApaththinudaiya koormaiyai vishvashittirArgal. Chakravarththi thirumagan

>ambin koormaiyaiyAyittru thanjamAga ninaiththiruppar"

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>From the above it has been very clearly stated that for Srivaishnavas who

>have fallen to the feet of Swamy emperumAnAr anya sEshatvam has to

>absolutely abandoned and only the ultimate faith in emperuman is essential.

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>Note: If we want to be in the emperumAnAr ghosti then it is absolutely

>essential for us to give up anya devata worship. At this point we have to

>get to memory the great kooraththAzhvan who gave up even darshan of

>namperumal to uphold his status as the disciple of swamy emperumAnAr.

>Being a disciple of that great acharya is more essential than even

>emperuman himself that has been shown by all our acharyas. Get to memory

>the acharya bhakthi of vaduga Nambi. So it is our prime duty to follow

>them and get uplifted.

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>Saint thyagaraja, in one of his krithis beautifully says, "nithichAla

>sukamA rAma sannithi sEva sukama" What is crores of wealth going to grant

>us will it ever equal what the service to emperuman will actually grant us?

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> (To be continued)

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>Azhvar emperumAnAr Jeeyer thiruvadigalE sharaNam

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>Adiyen ramanuja dAsee

>Sumithra Varadarajan

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>Message: 4

> Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:07:05 +0530

> "Sumithra Varadarajan" <sumivaradan

>Re: Re: Dasa Avatara

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>SrimathE rAmAnujaya Namaha

>Dear Bhagavatas,

>

>Buddha avataram is surely a avatharam of perumal but it has been

>disregarded by our acharyas (refer Sri Parasara bhattar's bhagavat guna

>darpanam-commentary to Vishnu sahasranAma bhAsyam) since that avatharam was

>mainly done to side track the evil people who did all wrong things with the

>help of the vedas. In Vishnu sahasranAmam the thirunAmas from 787-810

>(durArihA to mahAkartha:) talk about buddhAvatara only. This buddha

>avathara is quite different from goutama buddha who is the founder of

>Buddism. Balarama avatara ofcourse is among the 10 avataras without any

>doubt and that has been very clearly stated by the azhvars as already shown

>by Sri Lakshmi Narasimhan and Sri Padmanabhan.

>

>Alwar emperumAnAr Jeeyer thiruvadigalE sharaNam

>Adiyen ramanuja dAsee

>Sumithra Varadarajan

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> -

> Lakshmi Narasimhan

> ramanuja

> Friday, February 13, 2004 1:50 AM

> [ramanuja] Re: Dasa Avatara

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> Asmad Gurubhyo Namaha

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

> Dear Shriman Soundararajan,

> I am sharing what I know on this subject. I apologize in case of

> mistakes.

>

> Some avathaaraas are not much glorified by Azhwars. Those are

> Matsya, Koorma, Parasurama, Balarama and Kalki. Periyazhwar did

> summarize all these dasaavataras though:

> "Thenudaya meenamaai, aamayaai, enamaai, ariyaai, kuralaai,

> moondruruviraamanaai, kannanaai, kalkiyai mudippan kovil..."

>

> Parasurama has been in fact depicted as an angry person from whom

> Shri Rama grabbed the Dhanus and along with it his anger & thapas.

> As Parasurama and Balarama are more of aavesa avathaarams, they

> aren't glorified to much extent. But there are references to these

> in quite a few pasurams of azhwars.

>

> Choodikkoduttha chudarkkodi says, "Baladevarkkor

> keezhkkandrai", "semporkazhal adi selva baladeva" etc.

>

> Thiru Arangatthamudhanaar (author of Ramanusa Nootrandhadhi) says:

> "Kokkula mannarai moovezhukaal, orr koor mazhuvaal, pokkiya devanai

> pottrum punidhan" i.e Ramanuja worshipped that lord who destroyed 21

> generations of the kshatriyas with a sharp axe - Parasurama.

>

> Regarding buddha, few of our scholars say that it was Shriman

> Narayana who came as him to spread the naasthika matham to maintain

> a balance. I am not sure whether this is authentic. Even if this is

> true, it is definitely not a part of the 10 avataarams. It would be

> more of a side track like Hayagreeva, Hamsa avataarams.

>

> I am sure other learned scholars might come up with more information.

>

> Sarva aparaadhaan kshamasva

>

> Azhwaar Emperumaanaar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam

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> adiyen,

> Ramanuja Dasan

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> ramanuja, vimalkumar ranganathan

> <panardasan> wrote:

> > Sri:

> >

> > Respected SriVaishnavAs,

> >

> > Many fora, many discussions on this topic. I want to encapsulate

> them all in a single mail. According to Sri Vaishnavism, the 10

> AvatArAs of Lord Sriman Narayana are:

> >

> > 1) Matsya

> > 2) kUrma

> > 3) VarAhA

> > 4) Nrsimha

> > 5) vAmanA

> > 6) parasurAmA

> > 7) rAmA

> > 8) balarAmA

> > 9) KrSnA

> > 10) KalkI.

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> > Has balarAmA been glorified by the AzhwArs or the AzAryAs??

> >

> > And one more, the poet Jayadeva calls Buddha as an avataara, but

> our AzhwArs tear Buddha and his philosophy to pieces. Is the Buddha

> referred by JayadeEvA the same as "Adhi Buddha" or does Jayadeva

> glorify Gautama Buddha himself?? And what is the stand of our

> Sampradayam with respect to Buddha??

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> > Dasan,

> > Kidambi Soundararajan.

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>Message: 5

> Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:44:56 +0530

> nsp <aazhwar

>AchArya Hrdhyam 156

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>AchArya Hrdhyam suthram 224

>The Sixth Ten

>Lord's Divine Feet is the means for one and all.

>

>"ennaiyum, yAvarkum surarkAi adiyEr vAzhmin enRu karuNaiyAlEa sarva lOga

>bhUdhEbya: enRavai kadalOsaiyum kazhuthukku mElumAgAmAl upAyathvam

>kalvettAkkugiRa charaNyan..."

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>Summary: When the Lord did not show Himself in person to AzhwAr, emissaries

>were sent " inform Him, that here is a woman left out by Him".

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>The refuge is the feet of Lord in "thiru viNNagaram". There is no other

>refuge.

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>The refuge for the dhEvA-clans in their world is also HIm.

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>Those who surrender unto His feet, without expecting anything in return but

>Him, are out of His Grace blessed by Him..

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>It is highlighted He is the refuge for one and all.

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>He is the refuge for nithya-sUrigaL, for souls like us in this world and

>for animals. Even for those who expect something other than Him, He is

>refuge.

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>Thus, He is the refuge for one and all, for all purposes. He is in "the

>thiru-malA" -Lord thiru-vEnkatamudaiyAn -- The means for one and all.

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>pAsuram-s: The Lord did not show Himself in person immediately to AzhwAr.

>The need for sending mesengers arose. Various types of messengers including

>birds were sent to the Lord and to say

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>" Here is also a person who is to be rescued by You?".

>"yEaru sevaganArku ennaiyum vuLaL enmingaLEA" 6-1-11

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>the Lord of thiru-viNNagar is the refuge for all

>"thiru-viNNagar sEarndha pirAn varamkoL pAdham allAl illai,yAvarkkum vaN

>charaNEA" 6-3-7 thiru voi mozhi;

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>He rescues the dhEva clans by vanqusihing the demons

>

>"vaN charaN surarkkAi asurarku venkURRamum Ai" thiru voi mozhi 6-3-8;

>

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>The Lord showers His Grace to those who surrender totally at His divine

>feet. They are blessed by Him.

>

>"adikkEzh amarndhu pugundhu adiyEr vAzhmin enRu aruL kodukkum" thiru voi

>mozhi 6-10-11;

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>Is He refuge only for those in this worlds?

>Even for the dhEvAs in their world He is the refuge

>"vAnavar kOnodum namanRezhum thiru vEnkatam' thiru voi mozhi 3-3-7;

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>Is He refuge only for those who surrender to Him completely.

>No. He is approached even by those who expect other things from HIm

>"ezhuvAr, vidai koLvAr, En thuzhAzhAn adiyEA vazhuvAi vagai ninaindhu

>vaigal thozhuvAr" mudhal thiruvandhAdhi 26.

>Is He not refuge for animal class.

>Yes! of course

>"pOdharindhu vAnarangal" iraNdAm thiruvandhAdhi 72 and " kaNdu vaNangum

>kaLiur" mUnRAm thiruvandhAdhi 70 go to confirm this point.

>

>Thus Lord thiru-vEnkatamudaiyAn is the refuge for one and all; for all

>purposes.

>This is indelibly exhibited conspicuously in thiruvEnkatam--> kal

>vettAkkugiRa charaNyan.

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>(to be continued)

>vanamamalai padmanabhan

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> Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:45:13 +0530

> nsp <aazhwar

>Fw: Ten avathAram-s

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>oppiliappan

>Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:33 PM

>Ten avathAram-s

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>The ten avathArA-s have been precisely spelt out by sri kaliyan in his

>periya thiru mozhi

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>".mEnodu Amai kEzhal ari kuRaLAi, munnum irAmanAi, thAnAi, pinnum irAmanAi,

>dhAmodharanAi kaRkiyum AnAn thannai.." periya thiru mozhi 8-8-10

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>mEnOdu=matsyam; Amai==kUrmam;

>kEzhal=varAham; ari=narasimham;

>kuRaL=vAmanam; munnum irAman=parasu rAman

> thAnAi=chakravarthith thirumagan;pinnum irAmanAi=bala rAman

>dhAmOdharan=krishNan;=kaRki-kalki.

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>Another reference to sri bala rAmar

>nAchiyAr thiru mozhi

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>"patti mEindhOr kAr yEAru pala dhEvaRku Or kEzh kanRAi.." nAchiyAr thiru

>mozhi 14-1.

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>Lord krishNA behaved in a obedient manner towards His elder brother sri

>bala rAmar.

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>dhAsan

>vanamamalai padmanabhan

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> Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:02:33 +0530

> "Sumithra Varadarajan" <sumivaradan

>geethA sAstramum nedunthAndaka sAstramum-14

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>Sri Parthasarathi thunai

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>Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

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>Sri Vara Vara munayE Namaha

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>Sri vAnAchala mahA munayE Namaha

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>

>(VilakkoliyAi) Similar to the light of a lamp removing the outside

>darkness, emperuman through the sastras destroys all our ignorance (inside

>darkness, agnAnam). He with ultimate grace has bestowed the sAstras for

>the upliftment of poor souls like us ("vedAntha krith vEda vidEva chAham").

>

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> BrihadAranya upanishad says, "AthmAvA arE drushtavya: srOthavya:

>mandhavya: nidhithyAsithavya:" That is first stage is the learning about

>the athma through listening to what the sastras say. Then a person starts

>to analyse and think about it. When we feel that the thought is good to us

>we start to meditate on the divine qualities of the athma and finally we

>attain the athma sAkshAtkaram. But in the above upanishadic verse, the

>order is a little different. It first says drushtavya: that is to see or

>obtain athma sAkshAtkaram. Why? It is to increase our interest to know.

>When I say the athma attains athma sAkshAtkaram the next question will be

>how? Then the sruthi answers, first learn about it, then do mananam

>(thinking) then meditate and finally you will visualise. Such rearranging

>due to the importance of the meaning are seen in a few other places also.

>

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>In one of his periya thirumozhi paasuram, thirumangai azhvar says

>"vAthamAmagan markadam vilangu maRRorjAdhi" Here actually the paasuram

>should be read in the reverse order. Rama showered his grace on a person

>who did not belong to his clan (maRRorjAdhi), that to not even a man but an

>animal (vilangu), even among the animals it is not a king animal but a

>monkey (markadam) not an ordinary monkey but son of vayu (vAthamAmagan).

>Here immediately all of us will ask, "How is being the son of vayu be

>treated as lower than an ordinary monkey?" Yes it is low because the other

>ordinary monkeys will consider themselves to be inferior but due to the

>greatness of the birth surely ego and pride, our prime enemies will creep

>in. Where there is ego and pride (ahankAram and mamakAram) emperuman never

>goes near them. Only when we leave our self-effort emperuman showers his

>grace on us. ("erukaiyum vittEnO drowpathiyai pOlE"- thirukkoloor ammal

>varthai)

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>In bhagavad geetha, slokas 55,56,57and 58 of chapter 2 are similarly

>misarranged. The ordering according to the meaning should be 58,55,56,57.

>These were given to prove that at times rearranging for proper

>understanding of the meaning is not wrong. Coming back to our upanishadic

>verse, the ordering for understanding the meaning properly should be

>"srOthavya: mandhavya: nidhithyAsithavya: drushtavya:" The same has been

>translated by thirumangai azhvar in his thirunedunthAndaka paasuram.

>"vilakkoliyAi mulaiththu ezhundha thingalthAnAi"

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>vilakkoliyAi - srOthavya:

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>mulaiththu - mandhavya:

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>ezhundha - nidhithyAsithavya:

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>thingal thAnAi - drushtavya:

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>Our dear geethAcharya puts the same in his words as:

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>"sruthivipradhipannA tE yathA stAsyathi nishchalA I

>

> samAdhA achalA buddhi: tathA yOga mavApsyasi II" (2-53)

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>SruthivipradhipannA - due to those specially understood meanings listening

>to me (sruthi-listening, sravanam) - "vilakkoliyAi" -"srOthavya:"

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>achalA tE buddhi: - your knowledge will get deep rooted (orupadipatta

>jnAnam) - "mulaiththu" - "mandhavya:"

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>samAdhow yathA nischala stAsyathi - when that leads to deep meditation -

>"ezhundha" - "nidhithyAsithavya:"

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>tathA yOgam avApsyasi - you will attain athma sAkshAtkAram - "thingal

>thAnAi" - "drushtavya:"

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>Here azhvar explains with moon as the example. First while the moon is

>seen on top of a mountain (mulaiththu) it is brighter than a normal

>lamplight (vilakkoli). So just listening removes a little of darkness and

>then when we think about it, it gives more light. Further as the moon

>rises to the sky (ezhundha) it spreads the light to a larger area so more

>darkness is removed similarly when we start meditating without any stop on

>the same subject as shown by the sastras all the darkness inside us

>gradually vanish and finally we are able to visualise the athma that is

>athma sAkshAtkAram (thingal thAnAi).

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>Message: 8

> Fri, 13 Feb 2004 07:55:06 -0000

> "amshuman_k" <amshuman_k

>Re: Sandhya/Gayathri related

>

>Dear Sri Venkatesan,

> Kindly clarify whether the life incident of bhattar is quoted as an

>injunction to TK VaishNavas for the non-performance of sandhya?

>Regular performance of nityakarmas are typically ordained by dharma

>sUtras of one's vedic affiliation (it may appear in grhya sutras in

>some cases; smrti digests elaborate the dharma sUtras).

>

>From my limited understanding rAmAnujAchArya never attempted to

>tamper the dharma sUtras, veda pramANas and the associated

>paraphernalia (and even sanctions sacrifice of goat in the context

>of yAgas in his gIta bhAshya).

>

>If I am right, the ashtAdasha bheda nirNaya discusses about

>nithyakarmas - "whether an evolved sould will go to hell if he

>doesn't perform them": yes -> vadakalai; no -> thenkalai, however

>the evolved soul should continue to do them as an example for others.

>This is a non question for unevolved souls!

>

>Accept my apologies if I've commited any mistakes or was offensive.

>

>Regards,

>Kasturi Rangan

>

>ramanuja, TCA Venkatesan <vtca> wrote:

> > Sri:

> > Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

> >

> > Dear Sri Ramachandran,

> >

> > While it is good to see your enthusiasm for performing

> > sandhyavandanam, the following lines are puzzling.

> >

> > > It is therefore, extremely critical and mandatory

> > > for the Sandhya to be performed without fail. It

> > > is quite surprising that Shri Vishnu has

> > > questioned the efficacy of Sandhya and perhaps

> > > thinks of replacing the Sandhya with 'namaa'

> > > chanting. Come what may, the Sandhya is a nitya

> > > karma ordained by the Vedas and no one is excused.

> > > Dilution of Sandhya requirements are therefore out

> > > of question. One may dilute all other rituals,

> > > worship etc. but not the Sandhya.

> >

> > Is it your stand or our pUrvAchAryas stand that

> > other rituals and even worship can be 'diluted'

> > but not the sandhyavandanam. Is there any pramANam

> > for this stance?

> >

> > Of course, the sastras themselves excuse many from

> > performing the sandhya. So, how is that you say that

> > no one is excused? Or do you mean only those that

> > are eligible for it.

> >

> > Certainly our acharyas did not give up their nithya

> > karmas, but only so as to not set the wrong example

> > for those who are at the first steps. However, there

> > are two things here. I don't think they saw it as a

> > mandatory act which is an unforgivable sin when

> > missed, as you are stating ; and they only saw

> > it as a kainkaryam to the Lord and not for their

> > personal benefits. And again, I believe their stress

> > was on all nithya karmas and not just the sandhya

> > alone.

> >

> > Guru Paramapara records that Bhattar refused to

> > stop his fan service to the Lord for the sake

> > of doing sandhyavandanam.

> >

> > Pillai Lokacharyar includes the performance of all

> > nithya karmas as one of the sins that the Lord

> > wipes out in the "sarva pApEbhyO" of the Charama

> > shloka.

> >

> > Kindly clarify.

> >

> > adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> > Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online.

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>Message: 9

> Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:23:09 +0530

> nsp <aazhwar

>Ten AvathArAs

>

>Dear srEvaishNavites,

>

>It is true that bhudhAvathArA is not an incarnation. However, as pointed

>out, it may be a small act by the Lord Himself without being an avathAram

>in particular.

>The following is reference to this in thiru-voi-mozhi

>

>"kaLLa vEdathai koNdu pOi puram pukkavArum, kalandhu asurarai bhEdham

>seidhittu vuyir vuNda upAyangaLum...' 5-10-4.

>

>The mention in Edu, irupathi nAlAyirappadi and onbadhAyirappadi -->'

>bhaudhAvathAra vrudhAntham ennai naliyA ninRadhu engiRAr"

>

>It was already mentioned in the earlier messages that;

>

>a BuddhAvatharan who came to mislead the asurans with false teachings, this

>Buddha was not the same Buddha . I think this is right.

>dhasan

>vanamamalai padmanabhan

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>Message: 10

> Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:21:14 +0530

> nsp <aazhwar

>AchArya Hrdhayam 157

>

>AchArya Hrdhyam suthram 224

>The Sixth Ten Contd.

>You but nobody else is my refuge- An impact of extreme devotion.

>

>"AgnAna asakthi yAdhAthmaya gnAnangaL aLavAl anRikkEa anguRREan ennAn

>puNarAi ennumpadi meyyamar bhakthi bhUma balamAgavum ananya

>gadhithvamudaiya thamkku..."

>

>

>Summary: It was seen in the earlier posting that AzhwAr declares the Lord

>as the means and also surrenders at His divine feet. Is it becuase AzhwAr

>does not have the knowledge of other means? Or is it beacuse AzhwAr is

>incapable of executing other means? Or is it because AzhwAr does realises

>that the nature of the soul is to surrender unto Him and it does not behove

>the soul to consider other means?

>

>These apart, AzhwAr mentions that " i am a person who has not followed any

>means. Hence, you have to be my means and rescue me. I do not have anyone

>else to salvage me. Please, see to it that I reach your divine feet" is

>AzhwAr's plea. The immense affection and love makes AzhwAr think in these

>terms. Hence, it is to be understood that apart from the facts mentioned

>above, the effect of extreme devotion- migundha bhakthi- makes AzhwAr to

>think about the Lord Almighty and only Him.

>

>pAsuram-s:

>"angutREAn allEAn, ingutREAn allEAn, unnaik kANum avAvil vEZhndhu nAn

>engutrEAnum allEAn.." --thiru voi mozhi 5-7-1--> I have neither performed

>any formal means nor have put on efforts to reach You; However, my

>yearnings and longings to meet you is on but without any strength on my

>part--is AzhwAr's declaration.

>

>"en nAn seigEAn yArEA kaLai kaN, unnAl allAl yAvarAlum, voNRum kuRai

>vEANdEAn" thiru -voi mozhi 5-8-3--> No efforts or credit on my part to

>reach on my part;You are the one to salvage me.

>

>"pUvAr kazhalgaL, aru vinaiyEAn, porundhumARu puNarAyEA" thiru voi mzohi

>6-10-4-->

>You have to lead me to a stage where I reach your divine feet.

>

>"mei amar kAdhal" --> thiru voi mozhi 6-8-2--> This stand by AzhwAr is due

>to extreme devotion apart from other things mentioned hereinabove-mighundha

>bhakthi.

>

>(to be continued)

>vanamamalai padmanabhan

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>vanamamalai padmanabhan

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>Message: 11

> Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:51:57 -0800 (PST)

> srinivasa chary <srinivasadasa

>Re: Re: Sandhya/Gayathri related

>

>Dear Sri Kasturi Rangan,

> This question appears to me as an unjustified

>conclusion from Sriman Venkatesan's post. To me it

>appears more like a caution against forgetting the

>more imporatant issue of Bhagavadkainkaryam (in Sri

>Ramanuja Sampradayam) in our enthusiasm for

>"Sandhyavandanam". Probably this may lead us in to

>more controversial corridors. What is the significance

>of "Nityakarmas" for any vedantic tradition in pursuit

>of "Moksha"? While there is general agreement on

>necessity of "Nityakarmas" as ordained by

>Dharmasastras across wide spectrum of vedantic

>traditions, does any tradition attribute more

>importance to these as an aid to attainment of

>"Moksha"? Isn't it necessary that the "Nityakarmas"

>should be put in their proper perspective, instead of

>treating them as a "be-all-and-end-all" for mumukhu as

>Sri Ramachandran seems to imply?

> Kindly note that these points are raised more

>with an intention to learn than to question. Forgive

>me for any misinterpretation.

>Regards,

>Srinivasadasa

>--- amshuman_k <amshuman_k wrote:

> > Dear Sri Venkatesan,

> > Kindly clarify whether the life incident of bhattar

> > is quoted as an

> > injunction to TK VaishNavas for the non-performance

> > of sandhya?

> > Regular performance of nityakarmas are typically

> > ordained by dharma

> > sUtras of one's vedic affiliation (it may appear in

> > grhya sutras in

> > some cases; smrti digests elaborate the dharma

> > sUtras).

> >

> > From my limited understanding rAmAnujAchArya never

> > attempted to

> > tamper the dharma sUtras, veda pramANas and the

> > associated

> > paraphernalia (and even sanctions sacrifice of goat

> > in the context

> > of yAgas in his gIta bhAshya).

> >

> > If I am right, the ashtAdasha bheda nirNaya

> > discusses about

> > nithyakarmas - "whether an evolved sould will go to

> > hell if he

> > doesn't perform them": yes -> vadakalai; no ->

> > thenkalai, however

> > the evolved soul should continue to do them as an

> > example for others.

> > This is a non question for unevolved souls!

> >

> > Accept my apologies if I've commited any mistakes or

> > was offensive.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Kasturi Rangan

> >

> > ramanuja, TCA Venkatesan

> > <vtca> wrote:

> > > Sri:

> > > Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

> > >

> > > Dear Sri Ramachandran,

> > >

> > > While it is good to see your enthusiasm for

> > performing

> > > sandhyavandanam, the following lines are puzzling.

> > >

> > > > It is therefore, extremely critical and

> > mandatory

> > > > for the Sandhya to be performed without fail. It

> >

> > > > is quite surprising that Shri Vishnu has

> > > > questioned the efficacy of Sandhya and perhaps

> > > > thinks of replacing the Sandhya with 'namaa'

> > > > chanting. Come what may, the Sandhya is a nitya

> > > > karma ordained by the Vedas and no one is

> > excused.

> > > > Dilution of Sandhya requirements are therefore

> > out

> > > > of question. One may dilute all other rituals,

> > > > worship etc. but not the Sandhya.

> > >

> > > Is it your stand or our pUrvAchAryas stand that

> > > other rituals and even worship can be 'diluted'

> > > but not the sandhyavandanam. Is there any pramANam

> > > for this stance?

> > >

> > > Of course, the sastras themselves excuse many from

> >

> > > performing the sandhya. So, how is that you say

> > that

> > > no one is excused? Or do you mean only those that

> > > are eligible for it.

> > >

> > > Certainly our acharyas did not give up their

> > nithya

> > > karmas, but only so as to not set the wrong

> > example

> > > for those who are at the first steps. However,

> > there

> > > are two things here. I don't think they saw it as

> > a

> > > mandatory act which is an unforgivable sin when

> > > missed, as you are stating ; and they only saw

> > > it as a kainkaryam to the Lord and not for their

> > > personal benefits. And again, I believe their

> > stress

> > > was on all nithya karmas and not just the sandhya

> > > alone.

> > >

> > > Guru Paramapara records that Bhattar refused to

> > > stop his fan service to the Lord for the sake

> > > of doing sandhyavandanam.

> > >

> > > Pillai Lokacharyar includes the performance of all

> > > nithya karmas as one of the sins that the Lord

> > > wipes out in the "sarva pApEbhyO" of the Charama

> > > shloka.

> > >

> > > Kindly clarify.

> > >

> > > adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Finance: Get your refund fast by filing

> > online.

> > > http://taxes./filing.html

> >

> >

> >

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> Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online.

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>Message: 12

> Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:44:13 +0530

> nsp <aazhwar

>AchArya Hrdhayam 158

>

>

>AchArya Hrdhyam suthram 224

>The Sixth Ten Contd.

>AzhwAr's indifference -Removed by the Lord Himself.

>"pAdhamEA charaNAkka avaiyEA shEmang koNdu yEAka sindhaiyarAi

>thriyakkugaLaiyittu swAbiprAyathai nivEadhithu viLamba rOsham upAyathAlEa

>azhiya........"

>

>Summary: It was seen in the fifth ten that He has bequeathed His divine

>feet as the means to reach Him. Accordingly, AzhwAr acknowledged and

>followed this meticulously. However, since the Lord did not appear

>forthwith, AzhwAr sent messengers thorugh various birds etc. to inform the

>Lord that 'here is a woman waiting for You and to be rescued by You alone"

>despite failing health.

>

>Despite this, the Lord Almighty did not present Himself immediately which

>resulted in AzhwAr becoming indifferent even after the Lord's presence.

>This indifference by AzhwAr facing the other side-praNaya rOsham - was

>destroyed by the Lord Himself by His holy feet.

>

>

>pAsuram-s:

>The Lord bequeathed His divine feet as the means

>"ARu enakku, nin pAdhamEa charaNAgath thandozhindhAi" thiru voi mozhi

>5-7-10;

>

>AzhwAr accepted this completely

>

>"kazhalgaL avaiyEA charaNAgak koNda kurugur satakOpan" thiru voi mozhi

>5-8-11;

>

>AzhwAr sent messengers to inform the Lord " here is a woman expecting You,

>affected by Your Love and affection"

>

>The thiru voi mozhi 6-1 --vagal pUngazhivAi :

>

>sending --> kurugu, nArAi, puLLinagaL, annangaL, kuyilgaL,kiLi, vandugaL as

>emissaries reflecting the role of AchAryan in making the Lord and the soul

>getting together.

>

>The delay of the Lord resulted in indifference and praNaya rOsham of

>AzhwAr.

>

>This is explained in the next thriu-voi-mozhi "minnidai madavArgaL' 6-2;

>What are these?

>"pOgu nambE" --> 6-2-1--> Get away;

>"pOyirundhu un puLLuvam aRiyAdhavarku vurai nambE" 6-2-3--> Go and tell

>your falsehood to people who do not know about You.

>"ninmalA nediyAi vunakkEalum, pizhai pizhaiyEa" --> thiru voi mozhi

>6-2-7--> You may be the Great one but a mistake is a mistake.

>

>How was this indifference removed.

>"azhithAi vun thiru adiyAl" --> 6-2-9--> The Divine Feet indicating Him

>and His beautiful form removed these negative acts and made AzhwAr to

>conciliate and settle down with Him.

>

>(to be continued)

>vanamamalai padmanabhan

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