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Hi List,

 

The first legend about "beheading of vishNu; dadhyanc AtharvaNA

story" was posted earlier.

 

This legend occurs during the explanation of darsha-pUrNamAsa ishti

in S.Br.

 

Once there was a clash between asuras and devas and the latter were

worsted. The asuras started dividing this earth among themselves by

spreading out ox-hide from west to east. When the devas saw this,

they also wanted a share of this earth. They went to the asuras with

vishNu as their head, as vishNu is verily the sacrifice, and asked

for a share. The asuras grudgingly agreed, but allowed a share

corresponding the the size of vishNu.

Now this vishNu was a dwarf (****). The devas didn't care anyway and

agreed to the condition. They enclosed vishNu with gAyatrI metre on

the south-side, trishtub on the west-side and jagatI on the north.

They enclosed vishNu with Agni on the east side. With it (or him-

vishNu), they toiled and sacrificed and obtained the whole earth from

the asuras. <The brAhmaNa continues with an arthavAda, that whoever

performs such and such enclosure around the altar knowing this will

get the land of his rivals and enemies>

Now, vishNu being enclosed by meters on 3 sides and agni on the

fourth side became weary and very tired. So, he hid himself in the

roots of plants, below the earth. The devas wondered - "whatever

happened to vishNu? Whatever happened to sacrifice?" They dug up 3

angulas below the earth and found vishNu there. That is why, the

altar should be 3 angulas deep. They enclosed vishNu second time with

mantras from vAjasanEyi samhita.

 

This legend contains the germ of the vishNu's vAmana avatara story

that was popularized in the purANas. I will write about manu and fish

legend from S.Br. later. However, the fish was not identified with

vishNu.

 

Regards,

KK

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Hi amshuman,

 

Vishnu means ominpresent. How do we behead or break something which

is infinite?

 

ramanuja, "amshuman_k" <amshuman_k> wrote:

> Hi List,

>

> The first legend about "beheading of vishNu; dadhyanc AtharvaNA

> story" was posted earlier.

>

> This legend occurs during the explanation of darsha-pUrNamAsa ishti

> in S.Br.

>

> Once there was a clash between asuras and devas and the latter were

> worsted. The asuras started dividing this earth among themselves by

> spreading out ox-hide from west to east. When the devas saw this,

> they also wanted a share of this earth. They went to the asuras

with

> vishNu as their head, as vishNu is verily the sacrifice, and asked

> for a share. The asuras grudgingly agreed, but allowed a share

> corresponding the the size of vishNu.

> Now this vishNu was a dwarf (****). The devas didn't care anyway

and

> agreed to the condition. They enclosed vishNu with gAyatrI metre on

> the south-side, trishtub on the west-side and jagatI on the north.

 

It is not trishtub but trishtup. We are supposed to recite dwayam,

gAyatrI etc. correctly and know the basic differnece bewteen sanskrit

letters pa, pha, ba, bha etc. before writing on sandhyAvandanam,

vEdas etc.

 

Again how something which is infinite can be enclosed?

 

Regards

Vishnu

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Hi,

vishNu means "one who pervades" from the sanskrit root "viz - to

pervade". In Rg veda, he appears as yonger brother of Indra and

lauded for making "three steps". Traditionl Indian scholars

interpreted this as sun's daily movement across earth, firmament and

sky. European scholars generally accepted this, but proposed other

theories of sun's annual movement instead of daily one.

 

However, in shathapatha brAhmaNa of shukla yajurveda the equation

vishNu = sacrifice appears. If you read my previous post, beheading

of vishNu appears in the context of pravargya rite, in which the

sacrifice loses its head. The same story with variations occur in

taittriya samhita & maitrAyaNIya samhita. It is connected with a

parallel legend of dadhyanc AtharvaNa learning to fix the head of

sacrifice from Indra and teaching it to Ashvins.

 

vishNu as omnipresent, omniscient, all-powerful is a purANic concept.

{Moderator's note: The above statement is an opinion of sri. Anshuman, and does

not seem to be supported by our AchAryAs; Sri anshuman - please preface your

opinions as such, and do not make general statements like the above)

 

Regards,

KK

 

P.S.

Thanks for pointing out my deficiency in sanskrit. I've seen trishtub

as trishtup only in compounds like trishtup-chanda: etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ramanuja, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu> wrote:

> Hi amshuman,

>

> Vishnu means ominpresent. How do we behead or break something which

> is infinite?

>

> ramanuja, "amshuman_k" <amshuman_k>

wrote:

> > Hi List,

> >

> > The first legend about "beheading of vishNu; dadhyanc AtharvaNA

> > story" was posted earlier.

> >

> > This legend occurs during the explanation of darsha-pUrNamAsa

ishti

> > in S.Br.

> >

> > Once there was a clash between asuras and devas and the latter

were

> > worsted. The asuras started dividing this earth among themselves

by

> > spreading out ox-hide from west to east. When the devas saw this,

> > they also wanted a share of this earth. They went to the asuras

> with

> > vishNu as their head, as vishNu is verily the sacrifice, and

asked

> > for a share. The asuras grudgingly agreed, but allowed a share

> > corresponding the the size of vishNu.

> > Now this vishNu was a dwarf (****). The devas didn't care anyway

> and

> > agreed to the condition. They enclosed vishNu with gAyatrI metre

on

> > the south-side, trishtub on the west-side and jagatI on the

north.

>

> It is not trishtub but trishtup. We are supposed to recite dwayam,

> gAyatrI etc. correctly and know the basic differnece bewteen

sanskrit

> letters pa, pha, ba, bha etc. before writing on sandhyAvandanam,

> vEdas etc.

>

> Again how something which is infinite can be enclosed?

>

> Regards

> Vishnu

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An addition to the post script:

The "b" in the trishtub is an aspirated one (i.e. hard). Go figure!

 

Regards,

KK

 

ramanuja, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu> wrote:

> Hi amshuman,

>

> Vishnu means ominpresent. How do we behead or break something which

> is infinite?

>

> ramanuja, "amshuman_k" <amshuman_k>

wrote:

> > Hi List,

> >

> > The first legend about "beheading of vishNu; dadhyanc AtharvaNA

> > story" was posted earlier.

> >

> > This legend occurs during the explanation of darsha-pUrNamAsa

ishti

> > in S.Br.

> >

> > Once there was a clash between asuras and devas and the latter

were

> > worsted. The asuras started dividing this earth among themselves

by

> > spreading out ox-hide from west to east. When the devas saw this,

> > they also wanted a share of this earth. They went to the asuras

> with

> > vishNu as their head, as vishNu is verily the sacrifice, and

asked

> > for a share. The asuras grudgingly agreed, but allowed a share

> > corresponding the the size of vishNu.

> > Now this vishNu was a dwarf (****). The devas didn't care anyway

> and

> > agreed to the condition. They enclosed vishNu with gAyatrI metre

on

> > the south-side, trishtub on the west-side and jagatI on the

north.

>

> It is not trishtub but trishtup. We are supposed to recite dwayam,

> gAyatrI etc. correctly and know the basic differnece bewteen

sanskrit

> letters pa, pha, ba, bha etc. before writing on sandhyAvandanam,

> vEdas etc.

>

> Again how something which is infinite can be enclosed?

>

> Regards

> Vishnu

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ramanuja, "amshuman_k" <amshuman_k> wrote:

> An addition to the post script:

> The "b" in the trishtub is an aspirated one (i.e. hard). Go figure!

>

> Regards,

> KK

 

Still it is wrong.

 

Best Regards

Vishnu

 

>

> ramanuja, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu> wrote:

> > Hi amshuman,

> >

> > Vishnu means ominpresent. How do we behead or break something

which

> > is infinite?

> >

> > ramanuja, "amshuman_k" <amshuman_k>

> wrote:

> > > Hi List,

> > >

> > > The first legend about "beheading of vishNu; dadhyanc AtharvaNA

> > > story" was posted earlier.

> > >

> > > This legend occurs during the explanation of darsha-pUrNamAsa

> ishti

> > > in S.Br.

> > >

> > > Once there was a clash between asuras and devas and the latter

> were

> > > worsted. The asuras started dividing this earth among

themselves

> by

> > > spreading out ox-hide from west to east. When the devas saw

this,

> > > they also wanted a share of this earth. They went to the asuras

> > with

> > > vishNu as their head, as vishNu is verily the sacrifice, and

> asked

> > > for a share. The asuras grudgingly agreed, but allowed a share

> > > corresponding the the size of vishNu.

> > > Now this vishNu was a dwarf (****). The devas didn't care

anyway

> > and

> > > agreed to the condition. They enclosed vishNu with gAyatrI

metre

> on

> > > the south-side, trishtub on the west-side and jagatI on the

> north.

> >

> > It is not trishtub but trishtup. We are supposed to recite

dwayam,

> > gAyatrI etc. correctly and know the basic differnece bewteen

> sanskrit

> > letters pa, pha, ba, bha etc. before writing on sandhyAvandanam,

> > vEdas etc.

> >

> > Again how something which is infinite can be enclosed?

> >

> > Regards

> > Vishnu

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> P.S.

> Thanks for pointing out my deficiency in sanskrit. I've seen

trishtub

> as trishtup only in compounds like trishtup-chanda: etc.

 

 

It seems u are re-writing sanskrit grammar. Trishtup is the right

word which I learnt in my childhood. When a halanta Sabdam like

trishutp is followed by "ka, kha, cha, CHA, ta, TA, tha, THA, pa,

pha" no sandhi takes place and hence it remains as "trishtup" in the

compound word. When followed by consonants like ga, gha etc. and

vowels, it becomes "trishtub" as part of the compound word.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Srimahavishnu Vinjamuri

 

 

>

ramanuja, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu> wrote:

> > Hi amshuman,

> >

> > Vishnu means ominpresent. How do we behead or break something

which

> > is infinite?

> >

> > ramanuja, "amshuman_k" <amshuman_k>

> wrote:

> > > Hi List,

> > >

> > > The first legend about "beheading of vishNu; dadhyanc AtharvaNA

> > > story" was posted earlier.

> > >

> > > This legend occurs during the explanation of darsha-pUrNamAsa

> ishti

> > > in S.Br.

> > >

> > > Once there was a clash between asuras and devas and the latter

> were

> > > worsted. The asuras started dividing this earth among

themselves

> by

> > > spreading out ox-hide from west to east. When the devas saw

this,

> > > they also wanted a share of this earth. They went to the asuras

> > with

> > > vishNu as their head, as vishNu is verily the sacrifice, and

> asked

> > > for a share. The asuras grudgingly agreed, but allowed a share

> > > corresponding the the size of vishNu.

> > > Now this vishNu was a dwarf (****). The devas didn't care

anyway

> > and

> > > agreed to the condition. They enclosed vishNu with gAyatrI

metre

> on

> > > the south-side, trishtub on the west-side and jagatI on the

> north.

> >

> > It is not trishtub but trishtup. We are supposed to recite

dwayam,

> > gAyatrI etc. correctly and know the basic differnece bewteen

> sanskrit

> > letters pa, pha, ba, bha etc. before writing on sandhyAvandanam,

> > vEdas etc.

> >

> > Again how something which is infinite can be enclosed?

> >

> > Regards

> > Vishnu

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