Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Swamin, Adiyen would like to clarify a basic principle here. Wearing a (PUNAL) is no where related to SriVaishnavisam. This is the clear case of getting confused between brahminisam and Vaishnavisam. People who take birth in a brahmin family need to undergo upanayana samskaram and have to wear the PUNUL after this. They then get the right to learn and propagate Vedas. But being a brahmin is not a requirement to be a Vaishnavaite. There are so many Brahmins who do not belong to Vaishnavisam. People who may be born in any caste, creed or religion but follow Sriman Narayana/Sri Mahalakshmi and other Alwars and Acharyas by "HEART", not alone by lips are SriVaishnavites. After adoring to vaishnavisam, they dont even look at the other demi gods or other gods. But this is not the case with a brahmin, he adorns to any god that is extolled in the vedas.Eventhough Vedas explain the ultimate Brahmam as Lord Sriman Narayana, still in the course of its path it expains about so many demi gods and other gods. Brahmins accept all these gods. The underlying principle is, Brahmins are born not made but Vaishnavaites are made not born as Vaishnavaites. In Alwars, Nammalwar, Thiruppanalwar, Thirugamgai Alwar and Kulasekaralwar are not Brahmins. In acharyas Thirukkachi nambigal, Maraneri Nambigal, Pillai urangavildasar are all well known Non-Brahmin Srivaishavaites who do not Adorn any "THREAD" accross their sholders. Adiyen hopes you are clear that wearing a Thread no way is related to Sri vaishnavisam. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, Varadaraja Dasan > Topics in this digest: > > 1. thread ceremony-a small doubt > "srinivasterakanambi" <srinivasterakanambi > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:38:22 -0000 > "srinivasterakanambi" <srinivasterakanambi > thread ceremony-a small doubt > > Dear Bhagavatas, > > my humble pranams to you. i have a friend by name Sreejith. He is a > Keralite by birth, and they do not have the concept of PUNAL. But > this fellow is an exceptional case. He is very interested in Sri > Vaishnavism. He wishes to wear a thread (PUNAL). With great > difficulty, he has acquired permission from his parents for this. He > is asking me for further procedures. So, I request the learned > Bhagavatas to give valuable suggestions to go about further. Please > do show him the way to proceed, from whom can he get the PUNAL worn, > and where. Please help my friend to join the Sri Vaishnava community. > > Thanks and regards, > Srinivas Terakanambi. > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 A small correction to the following post. The (upper) TriVarnathars sport Punul. ThiruKachiNambigal gives us sevai with Punul. Without knowing the aspirant's kulam we may be jumping into hasty conclusion. Dr. K. P. Sarathy ramanuja, "Varadarajan S (CTC)" <varada@A...> wrote: > > Swamin, > Adiyen would like to clarify a basic principle here. > Wearing a (PUNAL) is no where related to SriVaishnavisam. > This is the clear case of getting confused between brahminisam and > Vaishnavisam. > People who take birth in a brahmin family need to undergo upanayana > samskaram and have to wear the PUNUL after this. > They then get the right to learn and propagate Vedas. But being a > brahmin is not a requirement to be a Vaishnavaite. > There are so many Brahmins who do not belong to Vaishnavisam. > People who may be born in any caste, creed or religion but follow > Sriman Narayana/Sri Mahalakshmi and other Alwars and Acharyas by "HEART", > not alone by lips are SriVaishnavites. > After adoring to vaishnavisam, they dont even look at the other demi > gods or other gods. > > But this is not the case with a brahmin, he adorns to any god that > is extolled in the vedas.Eventhough Vedas explain the ultimate Brahmam as > Lord Sriman Narayana, still in the course of its path it expains about so > many demi gods and other gods. Brahmins accept all these gods. > > The underlying principle is, Brahmins are born not made but > Vaishnavaites are made not born as Vaishnavaites. > > In Alwars, Nammalwar, Thiruppanalwar, Thirugamgai Alwar and > Kulasekaralwar are not Brahmins. In acharyas Thirukkachi nambigal, Maraneri > Nambigal, Pillai urangavildasar are all well known Non-Brahmin > Srivaishavaites who do not Adorn any "THREAD" accross their sholders. > > Adiyen hopes you are clear that wearing a Thread no way is related > to Sri vaishnavisam. > > > Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, > Varadaraja Dasan > > > > > > > Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. thread ceremony-a small doubt > > "srinivasterakanambi" <srinivasterakanambi> > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 1 > > Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:38:22 -0000 > > "srinivasterakanambi" <srinivasterakanambi> > > thread ceremony-a small doubt > > > > Dear Bhagavatas, > > > > my humble pranams to you. i have a friend by name Sreejith. He is a > > Keralite by birth, and they do not have the concept of PUNAL. But > > this fellow is an exceptional case. He is very interested in Sri > > Vaishnavism. He wishes to wear a thread (PUNAL). With great > > difficulty, he has acquired permission from his parents for this. He > > is asking me for further procedures. So, I request the learned > > Bhagavatas to give valuable suggestions to go about further. Please > > do show him the way to proceed, from whom can he get the PUNAL worn, > > and where. Please help my friend to join the Sri Vaishnava community. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Srinivas Terakanambi. > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Dear Mr.Srinivas, It is nice to hear that your friend wants to become a srivaishnavaite. But, by wearing poonal alone does not make a person qualified to become a srivaishnavaite. A person becomes a srivaishnavaite only after getting panchasamskara from an Acharyan. In the case of your friend you can advice him that he can still become a srivaishnavaite without wearing the poonal. He can chose one acharyan probably H.H. Vanamamalai Jeeyar Swamy or H.H. Chinna Jeeyar Swamy and get the Panchasamaskaram done. This is my humble opinion. There are many learned people in the group who can give you better suggestions. Regards, S.Srikanth > Dear Bhagavatas, > > my humble pranams to you. i have a friend by name > Sreejith. He is a > Keralite by birth, and they do not have the concept > of PUNAL. But > this fellow is an exceptional case. He is very > interested in Sri > Vaishnavism. He wishes to wear a thread (PUNAL). > With great > difficulty, he has acquired permission from his > parents for this. He > is asking me for further procedures. So, I request > the learned > Bhagavatas to give valuable suggestions to go about > further. Please > do show him the way to proceed, from whom can he get > the PUNAL worn, > and where. Please help my friend to join the Sri > Vaishnava community. > > Thanks and regards, > Srinivas Terakanambi. > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > ------ > Links > > > ramanuja > > > ------ > > > _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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