Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Adiyen Ramaswamy[General Secratary,SRI VAISHNAVA YATHI SAMMELAN] humbly replies:- Sri MUKUNTHAN has put forward two steps for srivaishnava unity and they are very good suggestions.By SRIMAN NARAYANA'S grace and ACHARYAS' blessings,we established a JEERS CONFEDERATION in 2001 with elaborate rules[constitution]for its working through a committee consisting of 15 eminent persons of both kalais.Few meetings were held and resolutions passed.Yet many things have to be done.THERE MUST BE A CHANGE OF ATTITUDE AMONG PEOPLE AT TOP.Details later.Now,I am trying to bring thousands of people of THONDARKULAM throughout India and abroad without any difference as tokalais,including Bhagavadas,who are already rendering selfless service to srivaishnavam especially in villages,hamlets,small towns etc.The constitution for the organisation is being prepared,and the conference is to be held in December,2004,in Chennai.The first and foremost object is integration[ORUNGINAIPPU] OF VAISHNAVITES.Then,other objects include Alvar educational centers,social service,redemption of temple properties,helping poor schlors etc.I HUMBLY REQUEST ALL TO COOPERATE WITH ME IN THIS ENDEAVOR AND PRAY FOR SUCCESS.SUGGESTINS ARE WELCOME.--TSR --- ramanuja wrote: > > There are 7 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Sri Vaishnava Committee - Steps to Unite us. > Pattangi <danp > 2. Request for the rare photos of perumal! > "Lakshmi Narasimhan" <nrusimhann > 3. Re: Kaimkaryams and Ugandu Arulina Nilangal > Mohan & Madhuri <m_raghavan > 4. Great Walls of...3 > Padmanabhan <aazhwar > 5. Re: Vedic Committee > Bhakthi Nivedana <nivedana > 6. AchArya Hrdhayam 228-Conclusion 3 > Padmanabhan <aazhwar > 7. Re: Request for the rare photos of perumal! > alwar srinivasan <vasan682003 > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:07:13 -0500 > Pattangi <danp > Sri Vaishnava Committee - Steps to Unite us. > > sri: > Requesting list owners to post to their list. > ================================ > Humble pranam to all devotees of the LORD: > > It is really heartening to see more and more devotees "sincerely" > wanting to unite all the SriVaishanvas. > > This has been tried in the recent past (in 1950's and then in > 2000-Yathi Sammelanam etc) to unite all SriVaishnavas. > > Let us look at the reasons for the NON-Unity and steps to Unite. > > Unless we get agreement on the first two steps every thing else is just talk, > and no long term action will come from it. > ================================= > STEP 1: Fear of conversion and changes. > ================================= > Some of the groups involved are afraid that they may loose their temple, sannidhis, rights to > the > other groups who are strong (financially or in other respects.) > > This fear causes the most amount of problems. > > Solution: > > All the leaders/ acharyas/ acharya purushas to agree and sign off that > DOCUMENT and LEAVE ALL THE DhivyaDesamTEMPLES AS IS > (wrt. Thiurman, Patram, rights etc), > and > NO MORE CONVERSIONS/ CHANGES WILL TAKE PLACE. > > If we can bring this into law, then there will be a long term unity very fast, > as various parties will not fear and mistrust other parties. > > This is easily said / written on paper than can be done. > > ALL THE LEADERS will have to agree to this, > NO MORE CONVERSIONS/ CHANGES WILL TAKE PLACE. > Only then can there be unity, > > We can have the draft legal documents ready in 3 weeks, > if all the parties are willing to sincerely work towards this 1st step. > > IMPLEMENTATION: Once the legal document is agreed upon by all the leaders > Steps can be taken to pass this as State and Central Govt. Law. > > ================================================================ > STEP 2: Never speak or write anything NEGATIVE about other SriVaishnavas > in Public & in Private regarding other Groups, Mutts, Acharyas or individuals. > ================================================================ > ALL acharya/ acharya purusha/ Upanyasaka to agree that they will NOT > Speak or Write anything negative about others. > > This is much more difficult than Step1, as who would Implement this, > > At least to agree in writing is the first step. > Yathi Sammelanam committee has the agreement form, > we can learn from their experiences. > > Unless these two steps can be agreed on we cannot have a TOP - DOWN approach to unity. > ================================================================== > > Will list the Bottom-Up approach that will have to be grass roots movement, > from all the devotees in the next note. > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:31:24 -0000 > "Lakshmi Narasimhan" <nrusimhann > Request for the rare photos of perumal! > > Dear Bhagavathas, > I am looking for very rare photos of the perumal/thayar/acharyas in > the following divya desams: > a) Thiruppathi > b) Kanchipuram > c) Srirangam > d) Melkote Sampathkumarar > e) Shri Perumbudur Emperumaanaar > f) Sundarabaahoo (Madurai Kallazahagar) > g) Shri Villiputthur Andal / Mannar > h) Mannargudi Rajagopalan > i) Thirukkannapuram > j) Thirukkoshtiyur > k) Naacchiar kovil (Kal Garudan Sevai) > l) Ahobila Prahlada Varadhan > > The criteria is that the photos must be atleast 50 to 75 years old > (black and white preferred). I need these photos by September 15th in > order to present the same to my Swami. I would be very grateful to > you if you could do this favor to me. > > If any one of you in India has(I am in Chennai) any of these photos, > I can talk to you in person. I am ok to buy the photo from you, if > not, then I could make a copy of the same and handover the original > safely. Kindly mail me at nrusimhann. > > Adiyen, > Ramanuja Dasan > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:14:15 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > Mohan & Madhuri <m_raghavan > Re: Kaimkaryams and Ugandu Arulina Nilangal > > Dear Sri Gunaseelan, > > In response to your questions, here are my thoughts based on what I have learned: > > > 1) Is Divya Desam (Ugandu Arulina Nilangal) is the respective temple in that city/village only > or respective to the Perumal or refers to the whole city itself.. > > Ve:dic culture has as much to do with the land and its people as it has to with the Divine. > After all, is not the Lord the Soul of all souls, including this world; and as a result, are not > all things sacred? Because of this, it is my understanding that the A:zhwa:rs pa:surams were as > much about the temple, the village, and the varieties of people, flora and fauna that reside > there. There are several examples of this throughout the Divya Prabhandam, which I am sure that > others more well-versed can cite. > > 2) Adiyen has one more doubt in the case of Bhagavad Kaimkaryam, Since He is complete in all > means is there a way to do Service to him , if at all he lacks or expect anything from us then > we need to do for Him, since its not so , I am worried on that > > The only thing that the Lord truly lacks is our love, as we have been running away from Him and > His Desire for us for eons. He could have forced us back towards Him, by showing us just how > dependent we are on Him. But, He has allowed us our free will out of His Unbounded Love for us, > and in return, we have merely used it to serve our own self-interests. > > It is the desire to ease the pain of this separation that He has felt for us since time > immemorial - something which only His efforts could have awakened in us - which should be the > motivation behind our simple acts of Bhagavad and Bha:gavatha Kai:nkaryam. So, it is what we > feel in our hearts for Him, rather than the outward actions, that truly matters. > > > 3) In the same line were the Azhwars did Bhagavad Kaimkaryam or bhAgavada Kaimkaryam? Adiyen > feel its only bhAgavada Kaimkaryam by singing Thiruvoimozhi etc . > > It was both. But, it is my understanding that the A:zhwa:rs did not do so consciously. They > merely accepted the Lord's Desire to speak through them for the sake of all souls; and in > "hearing" His words, experienced Him. > > I hope this helps. > > adiye:n Ra:ma:nuja da:san > Mohan > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 4 > Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:06:00 +0530 > Padmanabhan <aazhwar > Great Walls of...3 > > vEalai mOdhum madhiL sUzh > thiru-k-kaNNapuram > > Yesterday my professional work took me to Ennore to a cold storge plant. While we were in the > offie of the plant, we could hear big sound constantly. On enquiry, I was taken upstairs to the > terreace and lo! the vast expanse of the sea was visible across the compund wall. The waves > which was going back and forth was making the sound banging on the wall of the factory. > > My thoughts slowly drifted towards our beloved > 'thiruk-kaNNa-puram'. > > The thiru-voi-mozhi-p pAsuram 'mAlai nanni, thozhudu ezhuminOA! vinai keda....vElai mOdhum > madhiL sUzh" 9-10-1 clearly narrates this very event. The waves of the sea bangs on the great > wall of thiruk-kaNNa-puram. > > Everyone knows that thirukkaNNapuram is about 15kms away from the sea. Then how is it sated by > AzhwAr that the sea is confronting the temple walls? It is the esteemed opinion of our elders > that the sea must have been near the temple earlier and must have receded now. > > This is not a stray thought by nam-AzhwAr but sri thirumangain mannan has also touched on this > aspect. > "..kalangal munnEr kaNNapurathu" periya thiru-mozhi 8-8-2 > The thiru-k-kaNNapuram having sea in one side. > > Well what does Edu say in this regard: > 'samudhram aNithAgiyAlEa, thiraigaLAlEa vandhu mOdhA ninRuLLa sUzap pattirundhuLLa > thiruk-kaNNa-puram' > > As the sea is nearby, the thiru-kaNNapuram is surrounded by walls where the sea waves bang back > and forth. > > Is it all? No there are more walls to the story. > (to be continued) > vanamamalai padmanabhan > > > > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 5 > Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:14:12 -0700 (PDT) > Bhakthi Nivedana <nivedana > Re: Vedic Committee > > Dear Srinath and others, > > HH Sri Sri Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji Maharaj has > started several initiatives in this regard. > Gita Jyothi, Krishnum Vande Jagadgurum and many events > over the past 25 years were in these lines. As part of > Gita Jyothi "Worship your own and Respect All" > programme, religious heads from all sampradayams were > bought together, advised and counselled. > > Please see the most recent Sarva Vaishnava Samgosthi > held where over 300 Swamijis from all over India > attended. Several resolutions were passed. Ahobilam > Jeeyar had boycotted the great function after he had > talks with Kanchi Jayendra Saraswathi (which was > actually very unfortunate). There are a few other > 'popular' swamis who couldn't make the event. > Some pictures can be found at --- > > http://www.acharyavaibhavam.org/PhotoGallery/VaishnavaSamgoshti/index.htm > > http://www.chinnajeeyar.org/sarvavaishnav_photos.htm > > The common program, the agenda, the programs for > execution have already been defined as part of the > Sarva VAishnava Samgosthi. > > The only support we can do I think is work on > mobilizing funds so that this committee can meet > atleast once or twice or thrice every year. We need a > fund of aroound US $200,000 per year to support such > events to begin with. > > > Jai Srimannarayana! > Nivedana > > > > "SESHADRI V" <vseshadri@s...> > Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:06 am > RE: [ramanuja] RE: > > Dear All, > > This is an excellent initiative. Lets Start this > without delay. > > Adiyen, > Dasan, > Seshadri Vijayaraghavan. > > > Ramanujam Varada Srinivasa Thatta > > Dear All, > Sreemathe Ramanujaya Namaha: > This is an excellent suggestion. can all the > Vaishnavagroups on the internet form a committe to > work as an agitating group to pave way for a much > wider discussions on this subject. A model code of > conduct and a common minimum programme can be worked > out to start kick start this approach. Can we rise > beyond our narrow outlook and widen our vision to > greater vistas? This will be an excellent service to > Emberumanar Sri Ramanuajar Himself. This is a poser to > members of all groups. > Adiyen, > Dasan, > Ramanujam. > > > >Srinath Venkatakrishnan > <srinath_venkatakrishnan> > >ramanuja, , > > > > Sri Vaishnava Committee > >Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:34:02 +0100 (BST) > > > >Dear All, > > > >Referring to all recent problems against Tirupathi > Temple and other common > Sri Vaishnava issues, adiyEn would like to share my > view. > > > >1. Why cant we have a Central Sri Vaishnava Forum or > Committee > > where all Sri Vaishnava Mutt heads inlcuding both > kalais become > > members. This commitee can decide and approve all > the generic > > vaishnava issues. > > > >Example 1: Tirupathi Temple issue, > >Example 2: To oppose to any magazines/Films etc which > degrades > > SriVaishnavism. > > > >2. Committee chairman post can be of rotating type. > One year > > Vanamamalai Jeer Swami can head and next year > Andavan swami > > can head and it goes on to all the mutt heads on > yearly basis. > > > >3. Committee can be a single unified voice against > all issues. > > Currently that is lacking which is misused by all > politicians, non > > vaishnavaite mutt heads and magazines. > > > >4. Committee can initiate all generic steps to > propogate Sri Ramanuja's > > philosophy and implement and suggest right temple > worships etc. > > > >5. Important factor for conversion in India is > "Caste" This committee can > > devise ways to reach people and clarify about > varnashrama dharma > > and stop the conversion. Current threat is that even > divya desams > are > > filled by non hindus. At Thanjavoor, lot of places > have already > gone. > > Divyadesam like thErezhundoor do have non hindus > inside the main > > veethi. If we do not stop, we can have the > divyadesams on website > > only. > > > >6. Committee can setup a Research unit on Vedas and > Divya > > prabandams. Currently students out of padasalas are > either becoming > > archakas or purohitars(vaathyaars). Instead if > select people are > > involved in scientific research on Vedas and > Prabandams, that will > > support the teaching on vaishnavism. > > > >Please comment on this and if viable, we can take the > idea to the > acharyas. > > > >Thanks, > >Srinath. > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now. > http://promotions./goldrush > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 6 > Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:39:29 +0530 > Padmanabhan <aazhwar > AchArya Hrdhayam 228-Conclusion 3 > > AchArya Hrhdayam Conclusion 3 > > > Further, > > ...For any work the introduction, kadavuL vAzhthu, the portent of contents to come should be in > the beginning. this is explained. > > ....The Lord's incarnations are to rescue the good souls. Likewise, this prabhandham also has > the same goal. > > .....The attribute of the Lord in each of the tens in the thiru-voi-mozhi > > .....The counselling by AzhwAr in each of the tens > > .....The reasons for the Lord not granting salvation initally itself > > ... The prime reason is underlined. > > and further, > > (to be continued) > > vanamamalai padmanabhan > > > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 7 > Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:04:07 -0700 (PDT) > alwar srinivasan <vasan682003 > Re: Request for the rare photos of perumal! > > Swamin, > Ican get you afoto of sri DHEYVANAYAGAPERUMAL with SREEVARAMANGATHAYAR OF VANAMAMALAI > Dhivyadesam in PUNYAKOTI VIMANAM during chithirai bramotsavam ( 7th day) . the foto is taken > along dhivya prabandha ghoshti Itis 50 years old & in black and white > > Dhasan srinivasan > > Lakshmi Narasimhan <nrusimhann wrote: > Dear Bhagavathas, > I am looking for very rare photos of the perumal/thayar/acharyas in > the following divya desams: > a) Thiruppathi > b) Kanchipuram > c) Srirangam > d) Melkote Sampathkumarar > e) Shri Perumbudur Emperumaanaar > f) Sundarabaahoo (Madurai Kallazahagar) > g) Shri Villiputthur Andal / Mannar > h) Mannargudi Rajagopalan > i) Thirukkannapuram > j) Thirukkoshtiyur > k) Naacchiar kovil (Kal Garudan Sevai) > l) Ahobila Prahlada Varadhan > > The criteria is that the photos must be atleast 50 to 75 years old > (black and white preferred). I need these photos by September 15th in > order to present the same to my Swami. I would be very grateful to > you if you could do this favor to me. > > If any one of you in India has(I am in Chennai) any of these photos, > I can talk to you in person. I am ok to buy the photo from you, if > not, then I could make a copy of the same and handover the original > safely. Kindly mail me at nrusimhann. > > Adiyen, > Ramanuja Dasan > > > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > ramanuja/ > > > ramanuja > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > ------ > Links > > > > > ------ > > > _______________________________ Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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