bharathA,lakshmaNA and ChathrugNA-2

September 15, 2004

srEvachana bhUshaNam

sUthram 83

"pasiyarAyiruppAr attasORum vuNNa vEANum, adugiRa sORum vuNNavEaNum, ennuma

pOlEa, kAttukku pOgiRa pOdhu iLaya perumAL piriyil thariyamaiyai munnittu,

adimai seiyya vEANum, ellA adimaiyum seiyya vEANum, yEAvik koLLa vEANum enRAr;

padai vEttil pugundha pinbu kAttil thani idathil swayampAgathAl vayiRRa

peRukkina padiyAlEA, oppUN vuNNamAttAdhEa,oru thirukkaiyAlEA thiruveN koRRak

kodaiyaiyum, oru thirukkaiyAlEA thiru veN sAmarathaiyum tharithu adimai seidhAr'

Those who are very hungry desire to eat the food that is already cooked and also

being cooked.When the Lord left for exile, sri rAmA asked lakshmaNA to be at

ayOdhyA. The request was "please take me as your kinkaran" Further, he also

mentioned that he will not survive if he gets separated from the Lord.

As per his shEshathvam, sri lakshmaNA desired to serve the LOrd. All kind of

services. Blemishless services. Absolutely no independence. To serve as per the

dictum of the Lord -yEAvik koLLa vEANum.

Earlier when they were alone in the forest, sri lakshmaNA had done

simultaneously all the kainkaryam-s. Akin to that, unlike others who were

contented with just one service, sri lakshmaNA held high, the royal umbrella on

the one hand, and the sAmaram on the other.

Such an outstanding example of 'upEyam' is sri lakshmaNA's character.

(to be continued)

vanamamalai padmanabhan

September 16, 2004

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Sri Vanamamalai Padmanabhan,

Humble praNAms to you. Along with your continuing post

on bharata,satrghna...kindly dispel my doubt. When thAyar is never

separated from perumAL(NammAzhvAr's agalagillEn)and we go by SVB:8,

why shouldn't we consider lakshmaNa for the same pAratantryam also

when he is never separated from the Lord(senRAm kudaiyAm irundhAl

simhAsanamAm...)like thAyAr. I would like to be very clear along

these lines. Once I listened Sri Chinna Jeeyar swami's upanyAsam on

BG(7th chapter and last three slokas). Swamiji said that even when

they were in cradle,and when sumitra tried to take lakshmaNa away

from the Lord,both started crying! Same thing happened with bharata

and satrgna also. Swamiji also narrated a story(not mentioned in

vAlmIki rAmAyaNam)wrt Srirama and lakshmaNa. The bottom line of this

story is perumAL can't live and miserable without lakshmaNa

either!!!

It is b'coz of the inherent gnAtrtvam in the individual

soul, the jIvA puts self-effort(against pAratantryam)and can have

erroneous understanding of the upAyam(like jIvAtma's effort in

mOksha;let's ignore the upEyam for we, within the sriramanuja

community,know that Lord is the upEyam) the time and also finally

indulge in slef-delight! My contention is one can do "complete" self-

less service(like lakshmaNa) only when pAratantryam is inherent in

that jIvA. Correct me if I'm wrong. I want to be crystal clear with

SVB.

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam

dAsAnu dAsI

NC Nappinnai

ramanuja, Padmanabhan <aazhwar@v...> wrote:

> srEvachana bhUshaNam

> sUthram 83

>

> "pasiyarAyiruppAr attasORum vuNNa vEANum, adugiRa sORum

vuNNavEaNum, ennuma pOlEa, kAttukku pOgiRa pOdhu iLaya perumAL

piriyil thariyamaiyai munnittu, adimai seiyya vEANum, ellA adimaiyum

seiyya vEANum, yEAvik koLLa vEANum enRAr;

> padai vEttil pugundha pinbu kAttil thani idathil swayampAgathAl

vayiRRa peRukkina padiyAlEA, oppUN vuNNamAttAdhEa,oru thirukkaiyAlEA

thiruveN koRRak kodaiyaiyum, oru thirukkaiyAlEA thiru veN

sAmarathaiyum tharithu adimai seidhAr'

>

> Those who are very hungry desire to eat the food that is already

cooked and also being cooked.When the Lord left for exile, sri rAmA

asked lakshmaNA to be at ayOdhyA. The request was "please take me as

your kinkaran" Further, he also mentioned that he will not survive

if he gets separated from the Lord.

>

> As per his shEshathvam, sri lakshmaNA desired to serve the LOrd.

All kind of services. Blemishless services. Absolutely no

independence. To serve as per the dictum of the Lord -yEAvik koLLa

vEANum.

>

> Earlier when they were alone in the forest, sri lakshmaNA had done

simultaneously all the kainkaryam-s. Akin to that, unlike others who

were contented with just one service, sri lakshmaNA held high, the

royal umbrella on the one hand, and the sAmaram on the other.

>

> Such an outstanding example of 'upEyam' is sri lakshmaNA's

character.

> (to be continued)

> vanamamalai padmanabhan

>

September 19, 2004

Dear Ms. vaidehi,

Yes, lakshmaNA was not able to endure the separation and the Lord was also

comfortable when in his company.

Yes, the soul puts self effort for upAyam due to "gnAthrthvam" which may lead to

thought of following several means to reach Him. the soul has to sift out of

several sAsthram-s and preachings and despite its innate 'gnathrthvam' - as it

is shrouded by this world and the effects- may come to wrong conlcusions.

Hence, the best thing the soul can do is to abide the directions of AzhwAr and

AchAryA-s.

pArathanthriyam emerges or emanates in the soul once the knowledge that

independence and joy for the self-sake are removed.

thank you,

vanamamalai padmanabhan

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vaidhehi_nc

ramanuja

Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:12 PM

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