Sattvika Ahankaram and other philosophic discussions.

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sri:

 

It is really heartening to see many devotees interested in discussing these

issues.

 

It is good to discuss, enquire and seek knowledge.

 

If you are not sure, then please ask a as a question? Do not write

final statements, unless it is a quote from Purvacharyas works.

 

Please not use words like "what is the big deal " while talking about

sampradayic issues.

 

It is always best to just quote purvacharyas works regarding these issues.

 

Adiyen requests devotees to not take what they hear from others as the final,

unless and until it is backed as the words of our Purvacharyas.

 

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UpadesaRattinaMalai:

munnOr mozhin^tha muRai thappAmaR_kEttu *

pinnOrn^thu thAmathanaip pEsAthE * - tham_nenjil

thORRinathE solli ithu_suththa upathEsa_vara

vARRathenbar * moorkkarAvAr (2) ... 71

 

So those who start preaching on their own and ARE NOT repeating exactly

as per purvacharyas are not only becoming themselves Murkhas,

others who end up listening to them become Murkha as well.

======================================================

 

All the questions we talk/ ask / discuss have have answers by our purvacaharyas.

It is our ego that makes us NOT to look at purvacharyas sri Sooktis.

 

But while discussing these issues, we have to be careful not to give the

Incorrect message.

 

=====From a scholar in India =============

Bharata is for paratantryam and Lakshmana is for seshatvam

as proved in many of our purvacharya srisooktis.

 

Bharata's stature is much higer to Lakshmana.

 

Abhimana bhangamai refers to ahankara

Abhimana tungan selvanai pola refers to satvika ahankara.

=====From a scholar in India =============

[Guest guest]

pattangi mama,

 

It is correct that we should follow our acharyas. The dasa bhava is missing in

the

srivaishnava's today esp the younger lot. We have to tell them and all this I

think

is because at times we elders are not able to give a proper scientific reason

for

the things we do to our next gen.

 

Adiyen request that all of us read our scriptures and follow the dicources of

our

acharyas and do the service of explaining to our children.

 

dasan/raghavan

 

Pattangi <danp wrote:

sri:

 

It is really heartening to see many devotees interested in discussing these

issues.

 

It is good to discuss, enquire and seek knowledge.

 

If you are not sure, then please ask a as a question? Do not write

final statements, unless it is a quote from Purvacharyas works.

 

Please not use words like "what is the big deal " while talking about

sampradayic issues.

 

It is always best to just quote purvacharyas works regarding these issues.

 

Adiyen requests devotees to not take what they hear from others as the final,

unless and until it is backed as the words of our Purvacharyas.

 

======================================================

UpadesaRattinaMalai:

munnOr mozhin^tha muRai thappAmaR_kEttu *

pinnOrn^thu thAmathanaip pEsAthE * - tham_nenjil

thORRinathE solli ithu_suththa upathEsa_vara

vARRathenbar * moorkkarAvAr (2) ... 71

 

So those who start preaching on their own and ARE NOT repeating exactly

as per purvacharyas are not only becoming themselves Murkhas,

others who end up listening to them become Murkha as well.

======================================================

 

All the questions we talk/ ask / discuss have have answers by our purvacaharyas.

It is our ego that makes us NOT to look at purvacharyas sri Sooktis.

 

But while discussing these issues, we have to be careful not to give the

Incorrect message.

 

=====From a scholar in India =============

Bharata is for paratantryam and Lakshmana is for seshatvam

as proved in many of our purvacharya srisooktis.

 

Bharata's stature is much higer to Lakshmana.

 

Abhimana bhangamai refers to ahankara

Abhimana tungan selvanai pola refers to satvika ahankara.

=====From a scholar in India =============

 

 

 

 

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

 

 

 

ramanuja/

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sriman Mukundan,

 

Nice to see the mail.

 

Actually many pASurams were quoted to support sAttvika ahankAram. But

I doubt whether pUrvAchAryas used that particular word for such

occasions.

 

Parasara Bhattar, in the interpretation of the name SishtEshta:,

means Sishta (good) people as those having SEshatva gnAnam. Ohters

like kamsa etc. are not Sishtas, though they are also 100% SEsha to

the Lord.

 

He quotes from scriptures the following words about the knowledgeable

(vipras):

 

sattvastha: nirahankAra: ----

 

Those knowledgeable people, who are in the mode of meaningful

existence (akArArthAyaiva svam -- Thirumantram), do not have any

ahankAram. Hence pUrvAchAryas do not use the word "sAttvika

ahankAram".

 

dAsan

Vishnu

 

ramanuja, Pattangi <danp@u...> wrote:

> sri:

>

> It is really heartening to see many devotees interested in

discussing these issues.

>

> It is good to discuss, enquire and seek knowledge.

>

> If you are not sure, then please ask a as a question? Do not write

> final statements, unless it is a quote from Purvacharyas works.

>

> Please not use words like "what is the big deal " while talking

about sampradayic issues.

>

> It is always best to just quote purvacharyas works regarding these

issues.

>

> Adiyen requests devotees to not take what they hear from others as

the final,

> unless and until it is backed as the words of our Purvacharyas.

>

> ======================================================

> UpadesaRattinaMalai:

> munnOr mozhin^tha muRai thappAmaR_kEttu *

> pinnOrn^thu thAmathanaip pEsAthE * - tham_nenjil

> thORRinathE solli ithu_suththa upathEsa_vara

> vARRathenbar * moorkkarAvAr (2) ... 71

>

> So those who start preaching on their own and ARE NOT repeating

exactly

> as per purvacharyas are not only becoming themselves Murkhas,

> others who end up listening to them become Murkha as well.

> ======================================================

>

> All the questions we talk/ ask / discuss have have answers by our

purvacaharyas.

> It is our ego that makes us NOT to look at purvacharyas sri Sooktis.

>

> But while discussing these issues, we have to be careful not to

give the Incorrect message.

>

> =====From a scholar in India =============

> Bharata is for paratantryam and Lakshmana is for seshatvam

> as proved in many of our purvacharya srisooktis.

>

> Bharata's stature is much higer to Lakshmana.

>

> Abhimana bhangamai refers to ahankara

> Abhimana tungan selvanai pola refers to satvika ahankara.

> =====From a scholar in India =============

[Guest guest]

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Devotees,

Hope all are doing great with thAyAr and perumAL's grace.

I used that statement "what's the big deal" in the context of

sAttvIka ahankAram as ahankAram of any sort is injurious to the

soul. I wrote it after I saw Sri Chinna Jeeyar swamiji. He said so

many things. If at his level he doesn't have any ahankAram, what are

we fooling around talking about it? I was more amazed by swamiji's

choice of words wrt AcArya/disciple relationship. One devotee said

AcArya is God Himself and hence she considered swamiji like that.

But swamiji answered without ahankAram and without using any form of

english/samskrt word that gives rise to doubts wrt EGO/sAttvIka

ahankAram. There is always misinterpretation(even in direct

communication) through emails and other forms of similar

communication. Whoever takes this statement itself seriously to

one's heart, how would one take/treat a person who has committed

grave crimes?

Why I am saying this is I know that I had committed lot

of sins and still bhagavAn wanted me to undergo samAshrayaNam

through Sri Chinna Jeeyar(I feel as though I am seeing Sri Ramanuja

himself)and I asked swamiji to give me His photo for ArAdhana,

swamiji looked at me and said:"why do you need my photo when I am

there for you?" So should I jump and scream with sAttvIka ahankAram?

NO. That moment I thought that's why "He is a saint and i am not".

It's all in the mind to accept and reject. All my friends(some were

atheist PhDs and some were theists with lot of sahEtukam and

ahankAram attitude) who came along with me to see Jeeyar swamiji

were amazed(b'coz I had told them even before the meeting about

swamiji's greatness) and they all said that "your AcArya is full of

compassion,authentic and expert and it's written on his face". One

bengAli guy(he talks about Lord SriKrishna on one side and on the

other side sahEtukam and ahankAram) wanted to undergo samAshrayaNam

through swamiji but it didn't materialise. But that guy keeps asking

me "when will your AcArya come again to US?". I take solace in srI

piLLai lOkAcArya's statement "idhuvum(ellAm) avanadhu innaruLE".

Swamiji said "if you think everyone as your own siblings, you will

not find fault in anyone." Well, with his blessings, i am trying to

impliment that in my daily life. We don't know what exactly is going

on everyone's mind. We are all learning through each others'

experiences. Language is a barrier and has limitation.

All the people/devotees(except me) who are writing here

are not mUrkhAs and they just want to share their experiences. They

are writing based on their knowledge. If everybody is at the same

level(wrt knowledge) life will be very boring. Only those with right

sAmpradAyic knowledge should participate in this forum, I would

guess there will hardly be a dozen member only in this Sri Ramanuja

forum. This post is just a feelings of the heart nothing more

nothing less.

 

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam

dAsAnu dAsI

NC Nappinnai