Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Swamin, Pls note that emperuman, cannot be belittled by all this. Remember one pasuram by Nammazhwar Avar avar irayavar kuraivilar nirayavar avar avar vidivazhi adaya nindranare. dasan/raghavan bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur wrote: shri: Shri sadagopan thiruvadigale saranam Dear bhagavatas Pranams. Once again apologise this idiot(ag-gyani). Before my father had left this world, for parama-padam, He had lit up the stubbornness of ananya) bhakthi to our Almighty. (Our family tradition of stubbornness) Vaasaga dosham santhavyaha …. Please Don't get upset… Place : Bayview Ave Richmond hill,Toronto I used to go to a hindu temple built by srilankans in Richmond hill (Temple Notes: All the hindu gods(M/F) are kept at random without any discretion !!! ) illuminated with 25000 Watts bulbs like wal- mart. I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every time , I see that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It has brahma , in the form of holy-Swan flying up …. and our almighty In the form of Boar trying to go down and in the center of which Shiva is there. They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty and Brahma tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see his head and the other tail. (Where in the Vedas they found this rubbishness ?) What is your word on this ? It is totally contradicting entire Thiruvaaimozhi ? Our Kaarimaaran in his punching words (Ref 4.10.X ) : (Naadi neer vanangum deivamum ummaiyum mun padaithaan ,Odi Odi palapirappum piranthu marroru theivam paadiyaadi paninthu…. ) , Also …. In the same centum it goes like "Kapaala nan-mokkathukku kandu konmin.." Also in reference 1.2.X, Onrenap palavena yaavarum vadivinul ninra Nanrelil naranan naanmugan Aran Yennum …. Yemmaiyum Yel-ualagaiyum ninnulley thorriya KALVAA Kaliyan says : Kaanilum urupolaar, sevik-innatha keerthiyaar. Of the Rudraas ,, I am sambhu. - Geeta Adiyaen's Feeling #2 : - Our Vishnu sahasranaamam goes like this "Skanda – Skanda thara duryo varado …." When I was a child(boy) with 100% ignorance and lived with ego in this ego-centric world[until recently], I remember I used watch movies in the street (big- dhoti like screen ,with a old projectors after 8 P.M ) . The movie goes like this -> our almighty comes to Mr Lord Murugan(Kutty vaandu , Siruvan ) and because our almighty ,Indra and other Devaas requested this kutty vaandu (Lord Murugan) he went on a war with Soorapadman… (similarly for Vinayaka movies too). I have some slokas engraved in my heart, (man-manaa bhava mad- bhakato, mad-karma Krit…) so it is very unlikely that my feeling will get eroded !!! Please tell me a word or two so that I can console myself. I am not here to advise them Yelleerum Veedu petraal Ulagillai-andrey …..4.10.X ( so I can gently smile to those people ) Adiyaen Sadagopan Daasan. azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam ramanuja/ ramanuja vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Dear Vaishnava brother sunderrajan,, Let me give you some explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all 18 puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas.Other than in Satwik puranas different kind of demigods are glorified. In Devi Puranam Durga is glorified , Vinayaka in one and muruga in on and siva in one like that. People who are in lower modes used to worship these demigods thinking their worshiping deity is supreme.Thats the problem still going on in India. People worship according to their modes of nature.. And Finally vyasa was not satisfied and at that time Naradha Came there. and He asked the reason to Vyasa and he told that he was unhappy though he has written vedas and all puranas. then Naradha told him to write about Bhagwan Sriman Narayana and , His lilas and about His devottees. After Writing this Srimad bhagwatham Vyasa felt happy because he wrote about the Supreme truth. .Perumal is blissful (Vibhu) and we, being a part of him is Anu.As our atma is spiritual It is happy when it is connected with Supreme whole. Getting a birth of human being is very rare.There are 4 lakhs species of human being.In this human form of life getting a body of a brahmana is rare. Still getting a body of a Vaishnava is precious. In Bhagwath Gita Krishna says A vashnava is not seen by his caste or creed but only by his character. So those who are born in Vaishnava family should try to remain a pure Vaishnava in active life also. Vishnu is superior to all demigods.He is trancadental to this material world. Except Vishnu all the devas including Siva is considered a demigod. He is in a high position almost equal to Vishnu but not equal because he is connected with material nature , Durga.He is the pure devottee of Sankarshana,who is the supreme lord of Ego and annihilation. Siva is always chanting the glories of Sankarshana .Sankarshana is one of the forms ..(Vasudeva,sankarshana,Pradhumna and Aniruddha) of Chathur Vyuha .Durga, vinayaka,Muruga all these devas also belong to this material world only.Sriman Narayana alone belong to spiritual world or Vaikuntha.He descends whenever there is necessary and take avatharas according to that. People belong to different modes of nature , and they worship according to their modes of nature.Let us all try to be pure Vaishnavas and worship only Lord Vishnu or Krishna or Rama or,Varadharaja,or Narasimha or anyother Vishnu form we like. Krishna Dasee Vedavalli Ranganathan. ..So let modes. shri: > Shri sadagopan thiruvadigale saranam > > Dear bhagavatas > > Pranams. > > Once again apologise this idiot(ag-gyani). Before my > father had left > this world, for parama-padam, He had lit up the > stubbornness of > ananya) bhakthi to our Almighty. > (Our family tradition of stubbornness) > > Vaasaga dosham santhavyaha …. Please Don't get > upset… > > Place : Bayview Ave Richmond hill,Toronto > > I used to go to a hindu temple built by srilankans > in Richmond hill > (Temple Notes: All the hindu gods(M/F) are kept at > random without > any discretion !!! ) illuminated with 25000 Watts > bulbs like wal- > mart. > > I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every > time , I see > that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It > has brahma , in > the form of holy-Swan flying up …. and our almighty > In the form of > Boar trying to go down and in the center of which > Shiva is there. > They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty > and Brahma > tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see > his head and the > other tail. (Where in the Vedas they found this > rubbishness ?) > > What is your word on this ? It is totally > contradicting entire > Thiruvaaimozhi ? > > Our Kaarimaaran in his punching words (Ref 4.10.X ) > : (Naadi neer > vanangum > deivamum ummaiyum mun padaithaan ,Odi Odi > palapirappum piranthu > marroru theivam paadiyaadi paninthu…. ) , Also …. > In the same > centum it goes like "Kapaala nan-mokkathukku kandu > konmin.." Also > in reference 1.2.X, > Onrenap palavena yaavarum vadivinul ninra Nanrelil > naranan > naanmugan Aran Yennum …. > Yemmaiyum Yel-ualagaiyum ninnulley thorriya KALVAA > > Kaliyan says : Kaanilum urupolaar, sevik-innatha > keerthiyaar. > Of the Rudraas ,, I am sambhu. - Geeta > > Adiyaen's Feeling #2 : - > > Our Vishnu sahasranaamam goes like this "Skanda – > Skanda thara > duryo varado …." > > When I was a child(boy) with 100% ignorance and > lived with ego in > this ego-centric world[until recently], I remember > I used watch > movies in the street (big- dhoti like screen ,with a > old projectors > after 8 P.M ) . The movie goes like this -> our > almighty comes to Mr > Lord Murugan(Kutty vaandu , Siruvan ) and because > our > almighty ,Indra > and other Devaas requested this kutty vaandu (Lord > Murugan) he went > on a war with Soorapadman… (similarly for Vinayaka > movies too). > > I have some slokas engraved in my heart, (man-manaa > bhava mad- > bhakato, mad-karma > Krit…) so it is very unlikely that my feeling will > get eroded !!! > > Please tell me a word or two so that I can console > myself. I am not > here to advise them > Yelleerum Veedu petraal Ulagillai-andrey …..4.10.X ( > so I can gently > smile to those people ) > > Adiyaen > > Sadagopan Daasan. > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Sri Vijyaraghavan Swmay, 2 points I want to clarify here. Bhagavan as 'Mama' of Skanda (Muruga) is all false. No where in the puranas (Incl. Tamasic puranas), written by Vedavyasa , it is mentioned. Second misconception is about Parvathi and Durga. Parvathi is NOT SAME AS DURGA. Durga is the 'Yoga Maya' and the elder sister of Krishna as per Srimad Bhagavatam and Sri Vishnu Puranam. On the other hand, Parvathi was born to Daksha and later to Himavan. who married Paramasivan. No where connection between these 2 are established in older puranas. It is only the later versions of the Saktha religions, which has confused this issue. Even the the original Saktha religion does not believe this.. The only that later version of Saktha religion as propounded by Advaitins, this lie was made a truthful statement, by repeatedly saying this. Due to this confusion, Tamilians started calling Subramanya (Muruga) as 'Mal Maruga'(or Nephew of Sri Vishnu) Second issue is with Vinayaga. Again, a famous misconception of Vinayaga writing the Sri Mahabharata. This information is no where in Sri Mahabrataha. this is only in 'Puranas' written later in different languages.(Not original Puranas of Sri Vedavysa) Famous for its lies is 'Kanda Puranam' written in Tamil few centuries back. There is a popular saying in Tamil('Enthe Pulugum Kanda Purananathile') meaning, you can find any lies in kanda puranam. Vinaya worship was no where part of original Hindu worship. This cannot be said for other worship like ParamaSivan, or Skanda. Paramasivan and Skanda, Durga are all Vedic Gods who had sure powers and glorified in Vedic statements, puranas. On the other hand, Vinayaka worship came in to South only after Chalykya empire was burnt down by Narasimha Varma Pallava. One of the 63 Nayanmars, called as 'Siru Thondar' (one the cheiftains of Palllava) saw a 'Ganesha' idol in Vatapi admist fire and destruction. His mind changed and his perception changed towards war and destruction.. He installed the 'Vatapi Ganapathi' to south india and became a 'Siru Thondar' . Rest is history.. Ganapathi as 'Muzhu mudal Kadavul' etc. are all False. Also you see the 'Suklam barathram' slogam, some people conveniently ignore the last 2 lines which clearly establishes, it is not a prayer to Ganapathi. Even the 'Vinayagar Agaval' was not wriiten by Avviyar as it is claimed.. during Avvaiyar times, there was no Vinayaga worship prevelant. Sorry for a long mail. Dasan Regards KM Narayanan Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan on 09/21/2004 07:45:52 PM Please respond to ramanuja ramanuja cc: Re: [ramanuja] Please console me (if possible).... Swamin, Pls note that emperuman, cannot be belittled by all this. Remember one pasuram by Nammazhwar Avar avar irayavar kuraivilar nirayavar avar avar vidivazhi adaya nindranare. dasan/raghavan bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur wrote: shri: Shri sadagopan thiruvadigale saranam Dear bhagavatas Pranams. Once again apologise this idiot(ag-gyani). Before my father had left this world, for parama-padam, He had lit up the stubbornness of ananya) bhakthi to our Almighty. (Our family tradition of stubbornness) Vaasaga dosham santhavyaha ?. Please Don't get upset? Place : Bayview Ave Richmond hill,Toronto I used to go to a hindu temple built by srilankans in Richmond hill (Temple Notes: All the hindu gods(M/F) are kept at random without any discretion !!! ) illuminated with 25000 Watts bulbs like wal- mart. I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every time , I see that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It has brahma , in the form of holy-Swan flying up ?. and our almighty In the form of Boar trying to go down and in the center of which Shiva is there. They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty and Brahma tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see his head and the other tail. (Where in the Vedas they found this rubbishness ?) What is your word on this ? It is totally contradicting entire Thiruvaaimozhi ? Our Kaarimaaran in his punching words (Ref 4.10.X ) : (Naadi neer vanangum deivamum ummaiyum mun padaithaan ,Odi Odi palapirappum piranthu marroru theivam paadiyaadi paninthu?. ) , Also ?. In the same centum it goes like "Kapaala nan-mokkathukku kandu konmin.." Also in reference 1.2.X, Onrenap palavena yaavarum vadivinul ninra Nanrelil naranan naanmugan Aran Yennum ?. Yemmaiyum Yel-ualagaiyum ninnulley thorriya KALVAA Kaliyan says : Kaanilum urupolaar, sevik-innatha keerthiyaar. Of the Rudraas ,, I am sambhu. - Geeta Adiyaen's Feeling #2 : - Our Vishnu sahasranaamam goes like this "Skanda ? Skanda thara duryo varado ?." When I was a child(boy) with 100% ignorance and lived with ego in this ego-centric world[until recently], I remember I used watch movies in the street (big- dhoti like screen ,with a old projectors after 8 P.M ) . The movie goes like this -> our almighty comes to Mr Lord Murugan(Kutty vaandu , Siruvan ) and because our almighty ,Indra and other Devaas requested this kutty vaandu (Lord Murugan) he went on a war with Soorapadman? (similarly for Vinayaka movies too). I have some slokas engraved in my heart, (man-manaa bhava mad- bhakato, mad-karma Krit?) so it is very unlikely that my feeling will get eroded !!! Please tell me a word or two so that I can console myself. I am not here to advise them Yelleerum Veedu petraal Ulagillai-andrey ?..4.10.X ( so I can gently smile to those people ) Adiyaen Sadagopan Daasan. azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam ramanuja/ ramanuja vote. - Register online to vote today! ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from . Register anything. http://us.click./J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam -------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha: Dear Vaishnavas, Excuse me for the mistake.Veda Vyasa compiled Vedas, not wrote as i had mentioned. Krishna Dasee Vedavalli. vedavalli ranganathan <vedaranga wrote: > Dear Vaishnava brother sunderrajan,, > > Let me give you some > explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all > 18 > puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic > and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas.Other than > in Satwik puranas different kind of demigods are > glorified. In Devi Puranam Durga is glorified , > Vinayaka in one and muruga in on and siva in one > like > that. People who are in lower modes used to worship > these demigods thinking their worshiping deity is > supreme.Thats the problem still going on in India. > People worship according to their modes of nature.. > And Finally vyasa was not satisfied and at that > time > Naradha Came there. and He asked the reason to Vyasa > and he told that he was unhappy though he has > written > vedas and all puranas. then Naradha told him to > write > about Bhagwan Sriman Narayana and , His lilas and > about His devottees. After Writing this Srimad > bhagwatham Vyasa felt happy because he wrote about > the > Supreme truth. .Perumal is blissful (Vibhu) and > we, > being a part of him is Anu.As our atma is spiritual > It > is happy when it is connected with Supreme whole. > Getting a birth of human being is very > rare.There are 4 lakhs species of human being.In > this > human form of life getting a body of a brahmana is > rare. Still getting a body of a Vaishnava is > precious. > In Bhagwath Gita Krishna says A vashnava is not seen > by his caste or creed but only by his character. So > those who are born in Vaishnava family should try > to remain a pure Vaishnava in active life also. > Vishnu > is superior to all demigods.He is trancadental to > this > material world. Except Vishnu all the devas > including > Siva is considered a demigod. He is in a high > position > almost equal to Vishnu but not equal because he is > connected with material nature , Durga.He is the > pure > devottee of Sankarshana,who is the supreme lord of > Ego > and annihilation. Siva is always chanting the > glories > of Sankarshana .Sankarshana is one of the forms > .(Vasudeva,sankarshana,Pradhumna and Aniruddha) of > Chathur Vyuha .Durga, vinayaka,Muruga all these > devas > also belong to this material world only.Sriman > Narayana alone belong to spiritual world or > Vaikuntha.He descends whenever there is necessary > and > take avatharas according to that. > > People belong to different modes of nature , > and > they worship according to their modes of nature.Let > us all try to be pure Vaishnavas and worship only > Lord Vishnu or Krishna or Rama or,Varadharaja,or > Narasimha or anyother Vishnu form we like. > > Krishna Dasee > > Vedavalli Ranganathan. > .So let modes. shri: > > Shri sadagopan thiruvadigale saranam > > > > Dear bhagavatas > > > > Pranams. > > > > Once again apologise this idiot(ag-gyani). Before > my > > father had left > > this world, for parama-padam, He had lit up the > > stubbornness of > > ananya) bhakthi to our Almighty. > > (Our family tradition of stubbornness) > > > > Vaasaga dosham santhavyaha …. Please Don't get > > upset… > > > > Place : Bayview Ave Richmond hill,Toronto > > > > I used to go to a hindu temple built by srilankans > > in Richmond hill > > (Temple Notes: All the hindu gods(M/F) are kept at > > random without > > any discretion !!! ) illuminated with 25000 Watts > > bulbs like wal- > > mart. > > > > I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, > every > > time , I see > > that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. > It > > has brahma , in > > the form of holy-Swan flying up …. and our > almighty > > In the form of > > Boar trying to go down and in the center of which > > Shiva is there. > > They try to depict a story that Our beloved > almighty > > and Brahma > > tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to > see > > his head and the > > other tail. (Where in the Vedas they found this > > rubbishness ?) > > > > What is your word on this ? It is totally > > contradicting entire > > Thiruvaaimozhi ? > > > > Our Kaarimaaran in his punching words (Ref 4.10.X > ) > > : (Naadi neer > > vanangum > > deivamum ummaiyum mun padaithaan ,Odi Odi > > palapirappum piranthu > > marroru theivam paadiyaadi paninthu…. ) , Also …. > > In the same > > centum it goes like "Kapaala nan-mokkathukku > kandu > > konmin.." Also > > in reference 1.2.X, > > Onrenap palavena yaavarum vadivinul ninra > Nanrelil > > naranan > > naanmugan Aran Yennum …. > > Yemmaiyum Yel-ualagaiyum ninnulley thorriya KALVAA > > > > > Kaliyan says : Kaanilum urupolaar, sevik-innatha > > keerthiyaar. > > Of the Rudraas ,, I am sambhu. - Geeta > > > > Adiyaen's Feeling #2 : - > > > > Our Vishnu sahasranaamam goes like this "Skanda – > > Skanda thara > > duryo varado …." > > > > When I was a child(boy) with 100% ignorance and > > lived with ego in > > this ego-centric world[until recently], I > remember > > I used watch > > movies in the street (big- dhoti like screen ,with > a > > old projectors > > after 8 P.M ) . The movie goes like this -> our > > almighty comes to Mr > > Lord Murugan(Kutty vaandu , Siruvan ) and because > > our > > almighty ,Indra > > and other Devaas requested this kutty vaandu > (Lord > > Murugan) he went > > on a war with Soorapadman… (similarly for > Vinayaka > > movies too). > > > > I have some slokas engraved in my heart, > (man-manaa > > bhava mad- > > bhakato, mad-karma > > Krit…) so it is very unlikely that my feeling will > > get eroded !!! > > > > Please tell me a word or two so that I can console > > myself. I am not > > here to advise them > > Yelleerum Veedu petraal Ulagillai-andrey …..4.10.X > ( > > so I can gently > > smile to those people ) > > > > Adiyaen > > > > Sadagopan Daasan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Dear Simathe Vedavelli Ranganathan, There is a small correction which adiyen likes to point out in the following post Quote: " Let me give you some explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all 18 puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas" Unquote: VyasaDeva never wrote any of the vedas. He only did the mammoth task of classifying the ever existing vedas into Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atarvana. He did the classification into Karma Kandam and Gnyana Kandam. Karma kandam relates to Yagas and Yagnyas which give material benefit, where all the other deities such as sri Paramasivan, Srimathe Parvathy, Sri Skanda etc are glorified. But Gnyana Kandam relates to the Veda antham (end) that is why it is called VedAntha. They try to explore the characteristic of the lord. But they succeed only to a partial extent. Vedas dont have any creater like our beloved Lord. They are suppose to be the breath of the lord(Swasam of sriman Narayana). Learned members of this group may throw more light on this. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, Varadarajan Message: 4 Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:25:16 -0700 (PDT) vedavalli ranganathan <vedaranga Re: Please console me (if possible).... Dear Vaishnava brother sunderrajan,, Let me give you some explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all 18 puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas.Other than in Satwik puranas different kind of demigods are glorified. In Devi Puranam Durga is glorified , Vinayaka in one and muruga in on and siva in one like that. People who are in lower modes used to worship these demigods thinking their worshiping deity is supreme.Thats the problem still going on in India. People worship according to their modes of nature.. And Finally vyasa was not satisfied and at that time Naradha Came there. and He asked the reason to Vyasa and he told that he was unhappy though he has written vedas and all puranas. then Naradha told him to write about Bhagwan Sriman Narayana and , His lilas and about His devottees. After Writing this Srimad bhagwatham Vyasa felt happy because he wrote about the Supreme truth. .Perumal is blissful (Vibhu) and we, being a part of him is Anu.As our atma is spiritual It is happy when it is connected with Supreme whole. Getting a birth of human being is very rare.There are 4 lakhs species of human being.In this human form of life getting a body of a brahmana is rare. Still getting a body of a Vaishnava is precious. In Bhagwath Gita Krishna says A vashnava is not seen by his caste or creed but only by his character. So those who are born in Vaishnava family should try to remain a pure Vaishnava in active life also. Vishnu is superior to all demigods.He is trancadental to this material world. Except Vishnu all the devas including Siva is considered a demigod. He is in a high position almost equal to Vishnu but not equal because he is connected with material nature , Durga.He is the pure devottee of Sankarshana,who is the supreme lord of Ego and annihilation. Siva is always chanting the glories of Sankarshana .Sankarshana is one of the forms ..(Vasudeva,sankarshana,Pradhumna and Aniruddha) of Chathur Vyuha .Durga, vinayaka,Muruga all these devas also belong to this material world only.Sriman Narayana alone belong to spiritual world or Vaikuntha.He descends whenever there is necessary and take avatharas according to that. People belong to different modes of nature , and they worship according to their modes of nature.Let us all try to be pure Vaishnavas and worship only Lord Vishnu or Krishna or Rama or,Varadharaja,or Narasimha or anyother Vishnu form we like. Krishna Dasee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha: Dear sri Varadharajan, Immediately i sent another posting asking excuse for my mistake. Vyasa only compiled vedas but he didn't write them.Vedas came from Lord Himself.They are sabdha brahman. i admit my mistake. thank you. you are correct. Krishna dasee Vedavalli Ranganathan. --- "Varadarajan S (CTC)" <varada wrote: > Dear Simathe Vedavelli Ranganathan, > There is a small correction which adiyen likes to > point out in the following > post > > Quote: > " Let me give you some > explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all > 18 > puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic > and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas" > > > Unquote: > VyasaDeva never wrote any of the vedas. > He only did the mammoth task of classifying the ever > existing vedas into > Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atarvana. > He did the classification into Karma Kandam and > Gnyana Kandam. > Karma kandam relates to Yagas and Yagnyas which give > material benefit, where > all the other deities such as sri Paramasivan, > Srimathe Parvathy, Sri Skanda > etc are glorified. > But Gnyana Kandam relates to the Veda antham (end) > that is why it is called > VedAntha. > They try to explore the characteristic of the lord. > But they succeed only to > a partial extent. > Vedas dont have any creater like our beloved Lord. > They are suppose to be > the breath of the lord(Swasam of sriman Narayana). > Learned members of this group may throw more light > on this. > > > Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, > Varadarajan > > > > Message: 4 > Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:25:16 -0700 (PDT) > vedavalli ranganathan <vedaranga > Re: Please console me (if possible).... > > Dear Vaishnava brother sunderrajan,, > > Let me give you some > explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all > 18 > puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic > and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas.Other than > in Satwik puranas different kind of demigods are > glorified. In Devi Puranam Durga is glorified , > Vinayaka in one and muruga in on and siva in one > like > that. People who are in lower modes used to worship > these demigods thinking their worshiping deity is > supreme.Thats the problem still going on in India. > People worship according to their modes of nature.. > And Finally vyasa was not satisfied and at that > time > Naradha Came there. and He asked the reason to Vyasa > and he told that he was unhappy though he has > written > vedas and all puranas. then Naradha told him to > write > about Bhagwan Sriman Narayana and , His lilas and > about His devottees. After Writing this Srimad > bhagwatham Vyasa felt happy because he wrote about > the > Supreme truth. .Perumal is blissful (Vibhu) and > we, > being a part of him is Anu.As our atma is spiritual > It > is happy when it is connected with Supreme whole. > Getting a birth of human being is very > rare.There are 4 lakhs species of human being.In > this > human form of life getting a body of a brahmana is > rare. Still getting a body of a Vaishnava is > precious. > In Bhagwath Gita Krishna says A vashnava is not seen > by his caste or creed but only by his character. So > those who are born in Vaishnava family should try > to remain a pure Vaishnava in active life also. > Vishnu > is superior to all demigods.He is trancadental to > this > material world. Except Vishnu all the devas > including > Siva is considered a demigod. He is in a high > position > almost equal to Vishnu but not equal because he is > connected with material nature , Durga.He is the > pure > devottee of Sankarshana,who is the supreme lord of > Ego > and annihilation. Siva is always chanting the > glories > of Sankarshana .Sankarshana is one of the forms > .(Vasudeva,sankarshana,Pradhumna and Aniruddha) of > Chathur Vyuha .Durga, vinayaka,Muruga all these > devas > also belong to this material world only.Sriman > Narayana alone belong to spiritual world or > Vaikuntha.He descends whenever there is necessary > and > take avatharas according to that. > > People belong to different modes of nature , > and > they worship according to their modes of nature.Let > us all try to be pure Vaishnavas and worship only > Lord Vishnu or Krishna or Rama or,Varadharaja,or > Narasimha or anyother Vishnu form we like. > > Krishna Dasee > > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Dear Devotee, > I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every time , I see > that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It has brahma , in > the form of holy-Swan flying up …. and our almighty In the form of > Boar trying to go down and in the center of which Shiva is there. > They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty and Brahma > tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see his head and the > other tail. If this one merely irks your eyes, wait till you read accounts from shiva/linga puranas & sharabhopanishad. The story of Nrsimha slain by rudra in the form of sharabha. They twist the whole meaning of "harim harantam..." yajurvedic mantra as "shiva who killed Hari (in the form of Nrsimha)". In tamil nadu there is a shiva temple, if I remember correctly, where he is called "sattainathar" - shiva who is wearing the skin of vishnu for clothes! You have to take them as the hostility of shaivas & vaishnavas in yesteryears channelized through literary means. Vaishnavas have given the shaivas their due in their puranas. For example, in Harivamsha, there is a story on how shiva became nIlakanTha - Vishnu choked shiva to such an extent that shiva started begging for mercy. The mark from the choking became permanent on Shiva's throat. Regards, Kasturi Rangan .K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Yes Kasturi rangan swami, There had been a fight for supermacy between Shaivas and vaishnavas. This was all to get the patronage of the rulers of the era and all these were done with the aim on that only. But when you take the works of either Shankara or Ramanuja or seers of that order and this kind of animosity is not there. In fact it is Shankara who gave us the Bhaja Govindam. Let us take this kind of Satvik views. You have Krishna premi's and not shiva premi's as sect. Let us build on the premise of Love, respect and righteousness everyone will come to that. Dasan/raghavan kasturirangan_k <kasturirangan_k wrote: Dear Devotee, > I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every time , I see > that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It has brahma , in > the form of holy-Swan flying up …. and our almighty In the form of > Boar trying to go down and in the center of which Shiva is there. > They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty and Brahma > tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see his head and the > other tail. If this one merely irks your eyes, wait till you read accounts from shiva/linga puranas & sharabhopanishad. The story of Nrsimha slain by rudra in the form of sharabha. They twist the whole meaning of "harim harantam..." yajurvedic mantra as "shiva who killed Hari (in the form of Nrsimha)". In tamil nadu there is a shiva temple, if I remember correctly, where he is called "sattainathar" - shiva who is wearing the skin of vishnu for clothes! You have to take them as the hostility of shaivas & vaishnavas in yesteryears channelized through literary means. Vaishnavas have given the shaivas their due in their puranas. For example, in Harivamsha, there is a story on how shiva became nIlakanTha - Vishnu choked shiva to such an extent that shiva started begging for mercy. The mark from the choking became permanent on Shiva's throat. Regards, Kasturi Rangan .K azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam ramanuja/ ramanuja New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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