Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA. ramanuja, vedantham chary <vedantham_krishna> wrote: > Human beings are supposed strive for eliciting PERUMALS’ kripa is what generally religions preach. Is this not swathanthryam as opposed to Sheshatwam and parathanthryam and hence may be preaching not correct. Otherwise.how these seemingly contradictory concepts are reconciled..There must be shasthra pramanams cited by our purvacharyas,adiyen would beg to know. Kindly parden adiyens ignorance ,if any sampradaya dosham crept into my way of addressing my doubt. > > Dasanudasan Krishnamachary Respected Swamin, Your mail is raising further interest to know about the state of swathanthiryam for the jiva. It is difficult to think that we are denied free-will (if that is what you mean by swathanthiryam for the jiva in eliciting kripa). Let us see what scriptures say about this (while admitting that this is a very difficult topic capable of inviting differences in perspectives.) The important verse that is oft quoted by learned people to decide about the amount or level of freedom to act for the jiva is verse 2-3-41 of the Brahma sutras which says, “ But according to the efforts made (by the soul) (the Lord makes it act); (thus only would) injunctions and prohibitions etc., be relevant.” The explanation goes like this (Sri bhashyam): “ The Lord makes the soul act by granting it permission, taking into consideration the efforts put forth by it; But action is not possible for the soul without this permission of the Lord. Though the Lord’s permission is essential, yet the responsibility for the initial volition is the soul’s.” The above explanation gives the opinion that the initial effort or thought to do something that must originate from the jiva. This view is given by Ramanuja in this context while he was replying to 2 questions which are as follows: (1) If it be said that the jiva has no freedom to do or act on its own, why are there injunctions such as ‘do this’ or ‘do that’ (like satyam vada, dharmam chara)? If we say that it is Brahman which does things in Its capacity to reside in the jiva as Its body, does this mean that the injunctions are commanding the Lord to do this or that? (2) The Lord gives buddhi yoga (BG 10-10) to the one who is steadfast in worshipping Him. Fine. But He also says that He would hurl those evil-doers into the wombs of asuras (BG16-19).If He is one who is the in-dweller those evil-doers too, why couldn’t He do something about their betterment? In the context of explaining these two questions, Ramanuja tells about soul’s initial ‘volition’ whereby it is indicated that the soul has freedom to do. (another corollory is ‘yatha icchasi, thatha kuru’ advice to Partha) These questions are replied in the subsequent sutras whereby it is said that as nothing touches or inhibits the Brahman, It remains unaffected. The so-called cruelty of the Lord (Q-2) in making evil-doers doomed further (another pramana is from Kau III-9 which says “ He gets good actions done by those whom He wants to lift up and gets evil actions done by those whom He wants to cast down”) is explained in verse 124 of Vedartha sangraha by Ramanuja. “…the general equipment needed for the performance as well as non-performance of actions is furnished by Him. Then in order to manage the situation, He becomes the support and basis of all, enters into all beings and governs from within by His approbation of acts of individual will. He abides as the fundamental seshin of all, all the individuals being subsidiary to Him. The individual thus equipped with all the requisite powers and facilities, ENDOWED WITH THE POWER OF INTIATIVE , engages in actions and abstinence from action by his own spontaneity of will. The supreme Being, witnessing his activity remains unconcerned.” The letters in caps in this verse takes the inquiry further. If the jiva is ‘endowed’ with the power of initiative, where does the ‘spontaneity of will’ come from? Is it (the jiva) not (then) also endowed by the one who is the In-dweller? Even though the actions and fruits are accrued to the jiva, (“of these two, one eats the sweet fruits with relish, while the other looks on without eating” – sve –IV-6), is it not He who is causative of these? It therefore follows that the will also is endowed by Him. So too the actions that follow. But this doesn’t answer the question on ‘vora vanjanai’ (if it be called so!!) of the Lord in showing partiality to some. The answer lies in Karma. Ramanuja himself comes to the conclusion that the conception of one self as someone (like x or y or z , like in the verse 246 of VS lion or tiger or man or yaksha etc) ‘is due to the apprehension of the self arising from karma, even so is the conception of oneself as self-dependent’. By karma, thinking of having freewill comes and when the jiva thinks he has freewill, it is an act of self-dependence, (explained in verses 245 &246 of VS) To understand what this ‘spontaneity of will’ is all about, let us look into what Gitacharyan says in 3-5. “ everyone is caused to act, inspite of himself, by the Gunas born of Nature”. (kaaryathE hyavasha: karma sarva: prakruthijai gunai:) ‘Than vasamillaamal jivan kaaryam seigiraan’ The jiva acts under the control of tri gunas which is due to karma and he is not under ‘his’ own control. That is, jiva: guNAnAm vashE asthi. The spontaneity arising out of guNAnAm vasha: is once again due the combination of the apportioning of gunas that went into his making in the beginingless creation. Those who had Narayana sambhandam then had more or all of sattwa and became fortunate to be lifted by Him. Those who didn’t get it, are spiraling down into abysmal depths. Those in between, like us, are still vying to catch up the thread! The Will of the jiva actually comes to be manifested after Release as in “He is the self-ruler: he moves according to his wishes in all the worlds” (Chan VII-xxv) and “He moves through these worlds enjoying what he desires and assuming what forms he likes” ( Tai III-x. 5) Even then, he remains a sesha to Him is what seshatwam is all about. But pArathanthiryam coming in the wake of or after mulling over the so-called swathanthiryam by thinking that he has freedom of will and doership, is what the Lord is immensely pleased to see. That is why krupaiyaalE varum pArathanthiryathatthai-k-kaattil swathanthiryatthaalE varum parathanthiryam prabhalam. Such an evolution of thought (on the part of the jiva who eventually attains Knowledge as an attribute after Release) is enjoyed by the Lord who has made all these as part of His Leela. If the jiva had been in all its Brahmanic attributes while living, what is there for enjoyment by the Lord? That is why Prakruthi sambhandam is brought in and variation is achieved. The variation continues in deeper hues with karma sambhandam. All the jobs of carpenter, fisherman, hunter etc who are regarded as Brahman (by Brahma sutras) are in fact done by the Lord Himself to prepare us for the Ultimate Joy!! So where is swathanthiryam for us? Inviting corrections, Jayasree saranathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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