Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 ramanuja, rajan s <rajan_ramaswamy> wrote: > > Dear Vishnuswami > > . > > Parantriyam is making oneself ready so as to deserve the krupai of the Lord. > Other one is the exercising of the free will by the Jivas. This is swatantriam. Then how are both different? Vishnu >The consequences of this are 'papa' and' punya' to be suffered/enjoyed by the soul. This has been explained by Jayashree Saranathan in her mail on the above subject for which I am grateful.It is hardly possible to add anything to what she has.stated. of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Dear Bhagavathas, Another rejoinder from my father on the issue. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Aravindan ************************** The latest e mail enclosure on Parathantrium is interesting and discusses the eternally unsolvable question of soul’s autonomy. A very important aphorism of Sri Vachana Bhushnam( 152) of Pillailokachariar is quoted and explained. I wish to say that the Parathantrium stated in the aphorism is that of Eswara and not of the soul. Eswara’s Swatantrium is destroyed in two ways. One by the soul’s pleadings of his misery that in turn kindles His Krubai that destroys His Swathantrium making Him a Parathatran to the soul-in fact the Lord becomes a ‘dependent’ on the soul and bestows on the soul whatever the soul wants. This is “ Kribayale varum Parathantrium” The second way He gets Parathantrium is by His Swathantrium itself-out of His own Kepaaratra Swathatram-- like an elephant garlanding any one it fancies and makes him a king. The Lord loses His Swathatrium and becomes dependent on the soul and does what ever the soul wants. The aphorism says the latter Parathantrium of the Lord is superior because it cannot be withdrawn having been given to the soul out of His free will Lord Rama’s grace on Guhan and Hanuman belongs to this category- they did not ask for it. The aphorism explains, that in a way Swagathasweekaram can not become a Upaya to reach God. I hope you are able to follow the above explanation that is based on Manavalamamuni’s interpretation of the aphorism. I write this because I got the impression from the e mail that it talks about the soul’s Parathantrium --- rajan s <rajan_ramaswamy wrote: > > Dear Vishnuswami > > I am thankful for the questions raised which makes > the understanding of the sampradayam clearer. > > You have asked quoting from my earlier mail > Parantriyam is making oneself ready so as to deserve > the krupai of the Lord. > If Parantriyam is making oneself ready so as to > deserve the krupai ofthe Lord, what is swAtantryam? > > > Swatantriam can be understood in two ways. > Swatantriam of the Lord is one thing. The other > thing pertains to Jivatma. > > The Lord has unlimited powers. He has unlimited > knowledge.He is not bound by any constraints. He > does things by his sankalpam .Nobody can question > Him.These are the traits of a swatantran. The Lord > is the only swatantan and all others are > subservient. > > Other one is the exercising of the free will by the > Jivas. This is swatantriam.The consequences of this > are 'papa' and' punya' to be suffered/enjoyed by the > soul. This has been explained by Jayashree > Saranathan in her mail on the above subject for > which I am grateful.It is hardly possible to add > anything to what she has.stated. > > Please excuse me for any inaccuracies. > > Adiyen Ramanujadasan > > Soundararajan > > Azhwar Emberumanar Jeeyar thiruvadigale sharanam > > > > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > > ramanuja/ > > > ramanuja > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > vote. - Register online to vote today! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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