Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA. ramanuja, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu> wrote: > Dear Smt Jayashree, > > How do achit vastus have a desire to make some special contribution? Dear Sri Vishnu, I don’t know whether you need an answer to this. Because there are only two types of people who raise questions - those who have doubts and those who don’t have doubts (the latter one was told by sage Jabali, ‘sandEhangaL eduvum attravan sandEhangalai ezhuppugirAn’) I don’t need to answer you if you say that you belong to the former category, for, I very well understand from your mails that you don’t belong to this category. Once again I don’t need to answer you, if you belong to the second category. In this case you already know the answer. Since you have raised the question for reasons best known to you which are other than the above mentioned two, let me reply at two levels. Firstly, if only Bhagavad Ramanuja had omitted the mention of non-sentient beings in the verse given, any question on why he had omitted would have made the justification impossible, for, after all is He not one who can turn a even stone into woman? What special quality did that stone have as to bring out the Special Excellence to God? Secondly, Bhagavad Gita is the treasure-house to reply to this question. For immediate reference I request you to go through Ramanuja bhashyam for verse 15-16 on kshara- akshra beings and verse 13-2 on kshethram –kshethragyan. In a nutshell, Gitacharyan says, “ I am seated in the hearts of all. From me are memory, knowledge and their removal also.” (15-15). Based on the form and nature of the kshEthram, the attributes as mentioned above come to be associated with them as to be valued by the Lord. It is by His will, by His sankalpa, even a blade of grass can become a weapon in His hands! Regards, jayasree saranathan. In ramanuja, "jayasartn" <jayasartn> wrote:- > > The continuation of the verse:- > > " Out of the desire to produce the fruit of the sacrifice, both the > > sacrifice and the volitional exertion for the sake of sacrifice, > come > > to be undertaken, The accessories of sacrifice, come to be attended > > to, out of desire to accomplish the sacrifice. Similarly, in the > case > > of servants their nature lies only in being valued on account of > the > > desire to contribute something special to the master. Similarly all > > entities, sentient and non-sentient, eternal and non-eternal, have > as > > their sole nature, the character of being valued through a desire > to > > make some special contribution to the Supreme. Hence all entities > are > > described as subsidiary to Him." Dear Smt Jayashree, How do achit vastus have a desire to make some special contribution? Vishnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 ramanuja, jasn sn <jayasartn> wrote: > SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA. > > > ramanuja, "Vishnu" > <vsmvishnu> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Vishnu, > > Dear Smt Jayashree, When we discuss in a forum, the questions and answers are addressed to all. Otherwise I could have sent a personal mail! > Since you have raised the question for reasons best > known to you which are other than the above mentioned > two, let me reply at two levels. > > Firstly, if only Bhagavad Ramanuja had omitted the > mention of non-sentient beings in the verse given, any > question on why he had omitted would have made the > justification impossible, for, after all is He not > one who can turn a even stone into woman? What special > quality did that stone have as to bring out the > Special Excellence to God? Then where is the question of our contributing something on our own? That is what I am trying to bring out. You dont have to answer if you dont wish! Dasan Vishnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear Vishnu, I think I fairly understand your thoughts:-)Cf. Swami nampiLLai's words! TK philosophy is very simple but we get confused and confuse others also. When everything goes by nirhEtuka krpa, the act(or non-act) on the jIvAtmA's part shouldn't affect His decision. Otherwise we would be negating Him(logical fallacy)as the First Cause. That's why in the case of bharata, it didn't fructify b'coz perumAL had different plans and hence bharata had to go back with pAduka only. While in the case of lakshmaNa(even though he disobeyed the Lord's words,infact this is observed in swami AzhvAn also...he didn't listen to what emperumAnAr said wrt asking Lord Varadhan for something!)perumAL was happy with lakshmaNa coming behind Him. When the jIvAtma realizes that nothing belongs to it including that nothingness, it's a pathetic(don't take in a literal sense but positive)and wonderful state. If we have to contribute something, we will be contradicting "mayarvaRa mathi nalam aruLa peRRa AzhvArgaL" which is a building block of our sampradAyam and we all know what swami periyavAccAn piLLai told swami dEsikar. Swami azhagiya maNavALa perumAL nAyanAr expresses in AH nammAzhvAr's mind "I didn't do anything;perumAL entered me and did everything". sarvam srIkrshNArpaNam astu AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam dAsAnu dAsI NC Nappinnai > Dear Smt Jayashree, > > When we discuss in a forum, the questions and answers are addressed > to all. Otherwise I could have sent a personal mail! > Then where is the question of our contributing something on our own? > That is what I am trying to bring out. You dont have to answer if you > dont wish! > > Dasan > Vishnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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