Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 Pls see my answers to krishna's doubts, in blue Dear All, I want to introduce myself as krishna. I am currently studying engineering in chennai. I have joined this group recently as I wanted to learn about my religion. Having lived all my life in north, I have been unfortunate enough to miss out learning these things during my childhood. But I look forward to my education in the days to come. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There is nothing called unfortunate , as we were here but still never attempted to learn any of those, and pls know " WHEN YOU ARE READY THE TEACHER APPEARS" I have a few queries. I apologize if my questions are misplaced in this group. Please tell me if it is so. If god is beyond any description capable by the human mind then why do we resort to idol worship. Arent we limiting god to something which we can describe when he much much more than that? GOD IS WHAT YOU WANT TO CONCENTRATE AND DO, AND A PICTURE IS REQUIRED FOR YOU TO VISUALISE SOMETHING DIVINE AS HUMAN MINDS WANDER WHEN EYES OPENED AND ALSO WHEN IT IS CLOSED SO ONCE YOU VISUALISE A PICTURE IN YOUR MIND WHEN YOU PRAY EVEN WHEN YOU ARE SLIPPING FROM CONCENTRATION YOU WILL COME BACK TO TRACK IN I wanted to learn the meaning of the veda mantras here. I approached some people here in chennai and everybody insisted that I first memorise them and only then would they be willing to explain. Why is it so important for me first memorise them before trying to understand? Can I really being to understand them without a guru? MEMORISING ANYHTING SHALL BRING THE ORDER OF ANYTHING WRITTEN AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING SHALL BE ALOS IN ORDER, IF YOU REMMEBER IN BITS AND PIECES THE UNDERSTANDING BECOMES DIFFICULT, PARTICULARY SANSKRIT THE PRONOUNCIATION MAY MAKE THE MEANING DIFFERENT HENCE MEMORISING AND UNDERSTANDING IS BETTER, Again, please excuse me if I have offended anybody. It is out of ignorance that I am asking these questions. I BELIEVE I HAVE SHARED MY VIEWS AND CORRECT ME IF AM WRONG, VASANTHY MADHAVAN Sincerely, Krishna ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:38:02 -0700 (PDT) jasn sn <jayasartn Re: SEshatwam SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA. ramanuja, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu> wrote: > Dear Smt Jayashree, > > How do achit vastus have a desire to make some special contribution? Dear Sri Vishnu, I don't know whether you need an answer to this. Because there are only two types of people who raise questions - those who have doubts and those who don't have doubts (the latter one was told by sage Jabali, 'sandEhangaL eduvum attravan sandEhangalai ezhuppugirAn') I don't need to answer you if you say that you belong to the former category, for, I very well understand from your mails that you don't belong to this category. Once again I don't need to answer you, if you belong to the second category. In this case you already know the answer. Since you have raised the question for reasons best known to you which are other than the above mentioned two, let me reply at two levels. Firstly, if only Bhagavad Ramanuja had omitted the mention of non-sentient beings in the verse given, any question on why he had omitted would have made the justification impossible, for, after all is He not one who can turn a even stone into woman? What special quality did that stone have as to bring out the Special Excellence to God? Secondly, Bhagavad Gita is the treasure-house to reply to this question. For immediate reference I request you to go through Ramanuja bhashyam for verse 15-16 on kshara- akshra beings and verse 13-2 on kshethram ?kshethragyan. In a nutshell, Gitacharyan says, " I am seated in the hearts of all. From me are memory, knowledge and their removal also." (15-15). Based on the form and nature of the kshEthram, the attributes as mentioned above come to be associated with them as to be valued by the Lord. It is by His will, by His sankalpa, even a blade of grass can become a weapon in His hands! Regards, jayasree saranathan. In ramanuja, "jayasartn" <jayasartn> wrote:- > > The continuation of the verse:- > > " Out of the desire to produce the fruit of the sacrifice, both the > > sacrifice and the volitional exertion for the sake of sacrifice, > come > > to be undertaken, The accessories of sacrifice, come to be attended > > to, out of desire to accomplish the sacrifice. Similarly, in the > case > > of servants their nature lies only in being valued on account of > the > > desire to contribute something special to the master. Similarly all > > entities, sentient and non-sentient, eternal and non-eternal, have > as > > their sole nature, the character of being valued through a desire > to > > make some special contribution to the Supreme. Hence all entities > are > > described as subsidiary to Him." Dear Smt Jayashree, How do achit vastus have a desire to make some special contribution? Vishnu ______________________ ______________________ azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam ------ ------ -------- (on scbaprssxmrl) This message has originated from an open public network and cannot be wholly relied upon to be authentic. ------------------------ ---------- -------- (on scbaprssxmrl) This email is confidential. If you are not the addressee tell the sender immediately and destroy this email without using, sending or storing it. Emails are not secure and may suffer errors, viruses, delay, interception and amendment. Standard Chartered PLC and subsidiaries ("SCGroup") do not accept liability for damage caused by this email and may monitor email traffic. 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