The Soul .. The Soul .. The Soul.. => Halk Baked Soul Vs Full Baked Soul ????

[Guest guest]

Shri:

Kaarimaaran thunai

 

 

Dear Bhagavathaas

 

Pranaams.

 

Adiyaen is posing a question to find out the solutions from Our

Vaishnavaa philosophy.

 

Please apologise me if these words are written to hurt any

individuals/groups

feelings. !!! It was not intended for that purpose.

 

This is my long streching(stressing) un-answerable question. ???

 

As per bhagavad gita and our Kaari-maara-piraan , we indulge in

the services of the lord, Worship Nothing but him ,Thinking of him

always,singing the thiuvaaimozhi to reach Parama-padam(or Moksham)

one day. Very Good !!! ... Nice....

 

Supporting Quotes:

***********************

Aluvan-Thozhuvan-Aadi-Kaan-pan Paadi-alarruvan.....

Naadeer Naal Naalthorum...vaadaa Malar Kondu.......

Thaal-kal Thalaiyil vanangi Naal kadalai kazhiminaey !!!

-

Kaari Maaran

 

But this is for a IDEAL CASE.

 

In most circumstances 50 % of people die pre-maturely in one way or

the

other way before they reach old age. such as a natural disaster due

to

Mother Nature , Accidents, Violence, un-caused violence ,uncaused

death ,disease, suicides (due to wealth,health,passion or any

other

reasons ) etc. What is the status of these souls ?

 

Will they get re-birth ? or They still attain moksham.

 

Our Vishnu-chittar wrote :

 

Yeippu Yennai Vanthu-Naliyum-pothu

Aangethu Naan-Unnai Ninaikka Mattaen..

Appo-thaikku- Ippo-they Solli Vaithaen

Arangath-aravanai-Palli-Yaanae!!

 

we get moksham because we sing the above verse before

our sudden death.

 

Is this the way it works. ?

 

Or

 

(Because) We Once sang/heared vishnu sahasranaamam fully through

our ears..... That itself will do the needed Moksham.

Ehi...eeehi ...eehi... !!!

 

Kannan Kalal-inai Nannum Manam-udaiyeer

Yennum thirunaamam thinnam Naara-na-mey !!!

=> Thereby points to

Sahasranaamam.

- Kaarimaaran

 

Konjam -adjust panni... (paarthu -pottu -kudunga... like ordinary

people

speak in Market & grocery Store. )

-> will we get moksham like this way ??

 

 

I saw cases where they perform rituals as per hindu saastra , after

a man dies

in Raameswaram, Kaasi , Gangai etc.. thinking that the soul will

reach moksham..

by paying to Brahmin-Priest over there. Thereby

overriding/ignoring the

Karma-Vinai-Payan.

 

Karma-vinai(deeds) can not be overridden, even for Kaliyan (Thiru-

mangai-mannan )

(Almighty blessed soul - Mayarvara mathinalam...), who got killed...

to get

moksham.. and not achieved a smooth salvation like Vishnu-chittar

(Peri-Aazhwar)

 

Reason is obvious : Our Almighty wanted to follow the rules

(legislation)

as per Vedas. (Isho-Upanishad thunders this point. about the fate

of these

soul-killers. ! )

 

What is the case of abortion doing women due to circumstances (any

reason ,

in one way or the other way - they are also Soul -

Killers !!! ) ?. Are they set

to go to hell ? especially in India with 102+ crores of people. it

looks

fine to me to do abortion in the cause of saving the Mother earth

(or Nature) !!!

there by saving the agricultural output such as grains , food ,

space,

green mother nature, live-stocks, any other carni,herbi,omnivorous

beings(or animals) providing more space for earth's nature !!!

 

Why i am telling all these obnoxious stories ?

 

I used to watch television occasionally (without involving by

senses..) ..,

the channels like TLC , OLN,Discovery (TCL -> Learning Channel

OLN -> ... Life Network.. [may be ] , ) !!!

 

They use to show a ghost simulation/feeling/experience. this is

like a serial

shown ... non-stop .. every week !!! crossed more than 100's of

devil episodes

covering in devils of north america alone.

 

Some of the stories are very horrific as they screen like hearing

from

a live-witness !!! (not like our india where every pulia maram

(Tamarind tree) is considered a Devil !!! and lot of devil stories

spin around that Tree !!!

 

[ Tamarind tree is the most Holy-tree , as it sheltered kaari-

maaran ,

therfore most worshippable like Tulasi plant ! ]

 

Cause of all these stories lies in a flash-back & obvious !

(there was a murder / accidental cause of death of one or more

people !!! ).

(IMPACT) RESULT >>>> The so-called soul is wandering around that

place. !!!

 

One Interesting story is Hawaaii Island's volcanic remains. (of lava

stones )

U.S postal service in Hawaai gets hundreds of these stones in

(baskets)

asking(requesting) them to place these stones back in Lava spilled

mountains. !!!

 

This is due to the attractions of these LAVA stones and visitors

from all over the

world wanted to take a slice to their home (like devotees visiting

Thirumala

will definitely get Laddu on their way return !!!) and they

observed a horrific

life , resulting in the loss of their family persons life,jobs,

house etc etcc......

and they concluded that it is due to the LAVA STONEs !!! . ( which

volcano

once buried a young women !!! and the continous bad,unwanted

happenings are

due to the curse of that buried woman towards those who takes

these LAVA stones !!! )

 

These stories imply that souls are living even after the death of a

body(life) !! and not taking a another life. Our bhagavad gita (or

almighty)

does not speak of im-matured(pre-matured) souls !! in other words ,

these souls are not liberated souls !! although they are subtle in

nature,

(Anur-bhrugat...krisas-sthoo-lo .. sahasranaamam)

 

Onrum Unara-laagaathu Unarn-thum Melum-Kaan-pathu-arithu

-

Kaari maaran !

 

 

How our almighty will consider the souls that get perished/died but

of

good nature. for example one of our bhagavathaas die in a bus,car,

train accident (say like sep 11,2001). Are they set to live like a

devil ?...,

until the end of their life time and wait for almighty's approval

to step

into parama-padam ?? and thereafter they experience the

sool-visum pani-mukil... Is it the way it works ????

 

How our almighty will consider the souls living in this mundane

world where bad-karmaas are un-avoidable. everyone living in this

earth is involved in a sin knowingly and un-knowingly !!

although they are shri-vaishnavaas with saatvic nature ???

 

Most importantly Please clarify your views on devils(Ghosts)

as per our siddaantham !!! Are they real ? if they are real ,

how they have the strength of lifting a object as per T.V ?

whereas the soul is subtlest of subtlest(like Atom - Anu) as

per our lord, kaarimaaran and the nature of soul itself !

 

Vaasaga thosam santhavyaha

 

Please explain with reference to our sampradaayam

 

Adiyaen

 

Kaari-maara-piraan daasan