Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Shri : Shri Kaari-Maaran Thunai Dear Shri TCA Swaamin Adiyaen's Pranaams. You are like a Giant Star in this -group forum !!! I am privileged to provide with my little (subtle) knowledge of what i learnt from my late Father (who in turn learnt from a Strong Army of our Bhagavathaas living in Srivilliputtur). I dont have any hand-written proof to base my argument about Kaliyan. Kaliyan got killed in Thirukurungudi (precisely in Vayal-kaadu) In my home we used to have a writings (Yedu in Palm Leaf - Panai Olai ) in Krantham Language. My Great grand father read this grantham to my father. and my father orally told to my elder brther & i overheard some of the stories. Unlike other Azhwars , Kaliyan's life is very Dynamic & Turbulant role and it was full of Braveness, courage & Ananya-Bhakthi. Even if you notice all the Azhwars , Kaliyan is the only Murattu Azhwar Having a Vael in his Hand ( for his bravery ) Half of the story is ........... Story goes like this ============== In one of robbery sites - Kaliyan was near to the Treasure (Por- Kalanjiyam) there used to be non-stopping Chakra which kaliyan dont know how to stop. he has been given a Hint that Vazhai maram could stop that Chakra. Kaliyan used lot of Vaazhai maram to stop that chakra.. Kaliyan cross the last hurdle to that treasure. while they pack off the jewels(all other ornaments).... Kaliyan's Associate was caught in trap (like Pori). The Robbery Gang was unable to get the Trapped kaliyan's Associate out of pori. In order to ensure that Kaliyan & his associates dont get caught after robbery & escape safely with wealth Kaliyan killed one of his associates (robber) by cutting his head off & packed his head with him. (like Ali-baba story ) !! The Associate can (may) be one of Thola-Vazhakkan, Thaaal- ooothuvaan, Nizhal-pin-selvaan, Neer-mel-nadappaan. The associate man , whose head was cut , he instantly took a birth and started growing like a vazhai maram. (again at almighty's wish to fulfill the rules of Isho Upanishad !!!) Kaliyan was spending his last years of life in thirukurungudi ....... , In thiru-kurun-gudi-Vayal-kaadu , he (That Resurgent Man)blocked the Kaliyan at his old age and said i am going to cut off your head. Kaliyan have no energy to fight. but to agree.He prayed for almighty to have a last darshan from Thirukurungudi perumaal, almighty agreed and after darshan was over , Kaliyan's Head was cut off by that man. [ This implies that one can see temple or tower from Vayal Kaadu. I am assuming this sentence as i have no clue about these places !!! ] This story, i heard from my father. and who in turn through either Yedu / through word of mouth told us. If any of the other bhagavathaas can shed a full-story on this topic, then it will be Great !!! But whatever i said ..is... from my consiousness i still have in my mind ( through my father) and NOT a cooked-up-story !!! Adiyaen - Kaari-maara-piraap Daasan ******************************************************* Naadeer Naal thorum Vaada Malar Kondu Padeer Avan Naamam - Vee-dey Pera-laamaey !!! Kannan Kalal-inai Nannum manam udaiyeer Yennum thirunaamam thinnam Naaranamaey !!! Our Beloved Kaari-maaran is pointing to Vishnu Sahasranaamam.!!!! May i...) i catch hold of Kaarimaarn's feet in my mind like crocodile catching Gajendra's Feet in water-Pond !!! Kaari-maaran... Kaari-maaran...Kaari-maaran...Kaari-maaran...Vazhka un-naamam. ******************************************************* Please chant Sahasranaamam This is the last word from my father before he departs this imperfectioned world for Parama-Padam. after his ardous & tough penance & Saint hood life..... ************************************************************ ramanuja, "vtca" <vtca> wrote: > > > Sri: > > Dear Sri Balaji, > > Can you let us know the reference from where you got this > notion about Thirumangai Azhvar getting killed. > > 6000padi Guru Parampara Prabhavam does not say much > about the final days of Azhvar. It only says that he > spent his time in Srirangam along with his wife > Kumudhavalli Nacchiyar, doing service to Periya Perumal. > > Elsewhere I have read that Azhvar moved with Nacchiyar > to Thirukkurunkudi and there becoming disinterested in > the world, he spent his final days enjoying Nambi's > beauty and reached paramapadam. Even now, there is > a small sannidhi in the middle of a field there, which > is supposed to be the exact location where Azhvar left > this world. > > But no where have I come across this story that Azhvar > was killed. > > Please clarify. > > adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: Dear Sri Balaji, Azhvar did lead a colorful life. By the way, there is a claim that the vEl in his hand was given to him by Thirugnana Sambandhar (one of the nAyanmars, I think) after a debate. It is true that he led a dynamic life - before and after receiving mantrOpadesham from the Lord. In many places, he shows up with a sword and shield as well. Nevertheless, the story you have written seems to be a dramatic variation on what I have read about Azhvar. That Azhvar stole a golden idol of Buddha from Nagapattinam vihAra is accepted by all. However, this is the first time, I have heard that one of his associates was killed in the process or that he came back and killed Azhvar. I am attaching a rough translation of Azhvar's effort in getting the idol from Nagapattinam to this post - from 6000padi and as well as another source. As you can see, there is no hint of any one getting killed there. And, as I mentioned before, both texts simply state that Azhvar spent his days enjoying the Lord - at Srirangam or at Thirukkurunkudi. There is no indication of a violent end for Azhvar. I request bhAgavatas to shed some light on this, if they have heard anything similar to what Sri Balaji is stating and/or if they have heard that Kaliyan met a violent end. adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan -- >From 6000padi Guru Parampara Prabhavam: Thirumangai Azhvar wishing to do service to Sri Ranganatha decided to renovate the gopuram, vimAnam and maNdapas at Srirangam. He called his associates and asked them how to get the wealth needed for doing madhiL (wall) service at the temple. They replied that in the vihara at Nagapattinam, there is a Buddha vigraha which is made of gold and if they get that, it could be used for this purpose. Azhvar then left for Nagapattinam and staying in the house of a Srivaishnava lady asked her about the secret of the vihara (apparently Azhvar tried to get in first and found that he was not able to get a hold of the vigraha). She replied that the architect who built the vihara lived in an island. Azhvar immediately left Nagapattinam with his associates and reached the island where the architect lived. There he asked some folks in the street where the architect who is equal to Vishvakarma lives. They showed him the house. Azhvar then went to that house and was standing in the veranda talking with his associates. The architect then came out after his bath and food and was resting in the veranda having some betelnuts. Azhvar then started talking to his people in a sad voice saying that Nagapattinam had been sacked, the vihara had been destroyed and muslims have taken away the vigraha. The architect became shocked and asked them to tell him the whole story. Upon hearing what they said, he cried out that some traitor had given away the secret that he had put in place - which was that from the top of the vihara roof and into a stone in the place where the water falls, a chain had been built that no one could see. He fell down sobbing that someone had somehow managed to take the idol in spite of it. Azhvar immediately left there, glad that he had found out the secret. Upon reaching the shore, they managed get into a vessel carrying betelnuts. In between, Azhvar cut a large betelnut in two, gave the cargo owner one half and asked hime for a note stating that he owed Azhvar half of the betelnut. Upon reaching the shore, Azhvar asked for half of his cargo (of betelnuts). The merchant became surprised and searched and gave him the one half of the betelnut. Demanding half of all his cargo instead Azhvar then took him to court based on his note and won his case. The merchant then gave him money equal to half his cargo. Azhvar and his associates then hid in the vihara and in the middle of the night broke the chain under the water fall. Then they climbed into the vimAna and twisting the top opened it and took the shining golden idol. (Some prints say that Azhvar used his brother-in-law to get the idol out). Prior to its capture, the idol is supposed to have cried out "IyaththAlAgAdhO irumbinAl AgAdhO, bUyaththAl mikkathoru bUthaththAlAgAdhO, thEyaththEy piththaLai naRsembugaLAlAgAdhO, mAyappon vENumO, madhiththennaip paNNugaikkE". That night, Azhvar and others left the place and hid the idol in a newly ploughed field in a village. In the morning, the farmer who owned that land came there to work. Azhvar prevented him from working in the land by claiming that it was his ancestral land. After much debate, Azhvar promised him that he will procure paperwork to prove his case the next morning and the farmer agreed and left. That night, Azhvar took the idol out of the land and left the village and reached Uththamar Koil. Meanwhile in Nagappattinam, after investigation of the loss of the idol, the administrators followed Azhvar's tracks. They caught up with him in Uththamar Koil. There they enquired him and Azhvar said that he did not know anything about the idol. When they asked him to prove it, Azhvar promised to provide the idol back without missing even the small finger (this is tough to translate as Azhvar is going to play with the words; same as he did with the betelnut cargo merchant), by a certain date. They agreed and left. Azhvar then melted the idol, sold the gold and built the walls for the Srirangam temple. It was during this time that Azhvar built the wall around Thorndaradippodi Azhvar's flower garden (rather than through it) and pleased by it Thondaradippodi Azhvar named the tool he used to pluck flowers as "aruLmAri" for Thirumangai Azhvar. In some prints, there is a followup story - that the Nagapattinam administrators came back on the day promised and asked for the idol back. Azhvar read the note he gave them and playing with its words offered them just his little finger. They went to court and losing the case, declined Azhvar's little finger and went back. (In all these cases and note writing, Azhvar must have been heavily assisted by his associate thOlAvazhakkan - one who never lost a case). >From Sri Vaishnava Sri Azhvargal Vaibhavam: Azhvar reached Nagapattinam with his associates. He located the vihara but was unable to find an entrance into it. After much searching around it, he found a yantra in the form of a chakra rotating non-stop at the top of the vihara. So, he brought several plantain pieces and fed them into the yantra. Getting caught in the strings of the plantain, the chakra came to a stop. Azhvar then asked one of his disciples to climb down that way and get the golden idol. When he tried, due to a magical power, the bimbam began to run all over the temple and the disciple was not able to catch it. After that, using a suggestion by Azhvar, the disciple was able to make it impure. Upon which, it lost its power and fell down crying "IyaththAlAgAdhO irumbinAl AgAdhO, bUyaththAl mikkathoru bUthaththAlAgAdhO, thEyaththEy piththaLai naRsembugaLAlAgAdhO, mAyappon vENumO, madhiththennaip paNNugaikkE" (there are some prints where it is said that the disciple said "madhiththunnaip paNNugaikkE" and captured the idol). The disciple then picked up the golden idol and gave it to Azhvar. All of them left Nagappattinam that night itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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