I take strong objection to the words "Arrogant Behaviour" of kaliyan

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Balaji Sunsdarrajan swAmi,

 

I am a small fry and it is insignificant and irrelevant of what I accept or not

accept.

 

However, I take very strong exception to the following lines:

Qutoe:

But please understand that for kaliyan's arrogant character

in terms of robbery , he deserves a death sentence. [and almighty

has been directly watching Kaliyan , all along his life]

 

Unquote.

Are we capable of passing judgements on anybody and more so on AzhwArs.

 

I do not know whether your father has emphasised the fact that AzhwAr's are

"mayarvaRa mathi-nalam aruLap peRRavargaL"I hope you believe this.

 

If you do so, I request you to please withdraw the lines in which we are trying

to pass comments on kaliyan.

 

 

I request humbly the moderator, not to permits such blatant accusations against

our beloved AzhwAr

 

My intention is not to hurt your or your father's feelings. But if we start

quoting from hearsay or from our ancestors, I will start quoting such events

which are not in our written authentic works. This will end up in just

controversies and arguemnts.

 

If yOu still want to write, please write to me personally.

 

thank you

 

rAmAnuja dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

 

-

bsundarrajansrivilliputtur

ramanuja

Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:04 PM

[ramanuja] Re: Kaliyan 's last day of life in Thirukurungudi

&hisSalvation !!!

 

 

 

sri:

 

Kaliyan 's last day of life in Thirukurungudi & hisSalvation!!!

=======================================================

"This is based on what i have heard from my father,

i am not aware of any works that talk about this

I am hoping others in the list will have some information

or works which deal with this topic"

=======================================================

 

Dear Shri Vaana-maa-malai Padmanabhan Swamin

 

Adiyaen's Pranaams(Dhanyoshmin).

 

When i write mails to yourself(ungalukku) my mind hums 8.10.X

(Nedumaarku.... Urumo-paaviyenukku.... , Vaaikka Thamiyerku.....)

 

When i took this human-birth , my mind is flushed ( Paaramaaya

palavinai.. thiruPaanalwar) by almighty.

 

Adiyaen told what i heard from my father. there is no exaggeration.

i am NOT a story writer. I am not a pride seeker. I dont need

any thing more than His Blessing.

 

However i wanted to tell yourself(ungalukku) that

until Year 1996 , in srivilliputtur andal temple, ..

there is a set of bhagavathas usually 60+ Years of age sit

in front of Aravanai Bell and chat. The topic varies from Thiru-

kurugur to Badrinath. they would have told this episode to my father

and our father told in turn to us. This Chatting is regular practice

going on for 100's of years of chatting before temple.

 

Please understand that chatting like this is very common in

Srivilliputtur Andal Temple and accepted in VEDAS.

This is Called Bhagavad-smaranai. They form the VERY foundation of

Ananya-bhakthi,Breed desire to seek more & more knowledge,cultivation

of Shrivaishnavaa Philosophy,sharing of knowledge(like we do now in

this -GROUP). Wow !!! I sat with them one day 10 years back. !!!

What a Beautiful conversation !!!. All melodious,heart pleasing

words using tamil. Sadly... due to the current political trend... !!

it may have vanished by now.

 

Adiyaen is going to India next week. so i will enquire about

kaliyan in deep. !!!

 

But please understand that for kaliyan's arrogant character

in terms of robbery , he deserves a death sentence. [and almighty

has been directly watching Kaliyan , all along his life]

 

Did you know this : -

 

Divyadesam - Thiru-Ninra-voor (Near Ambattur,Madras)

 

According to my father , kaliyan did not enter this temple. kaliyan

was passing-by. Thiruninravoor-perumaal asked( or say requested )

Kaliyan to sing him. Kaliyan wrote 10 paasurams without entering

temple. that is how we see that Divya-desam.

 

My father told stories like this at several points of his lifetime

to me and my elder brother.

 

Adiyaen always... Enga-appa Daasan... for his Ananya-Bhakthi.

 

if you(rself) are not accepting this .. its fine. It is almighty's

wish to speak through me in this -group.

 

Adiyane

 

Kaari-maaran Daasan !!!

 

-> Aaye , - Iv-vulagil - Nir-panavum , thirivana-vum Neeye !!!

.................

Kooyae Kol Adiyaenai Kodu-vulagam Kaa-tey-lay !!!

( Ref 4.9.X - Beautiful 10 passuram's )

 

 

> what i learnt from my late Father (who in turn

> learnt from a Strong Army of our Bhagavathaas living in

> Srivilliputtur).

>

> I dont have any hand-written proof to base my argument about

> Kaliyan.

>

> Kaliyan got killed in Thirukurungudi (precisely in Vayal-kaadu)

>

> In my home we used to have a writings (Yedu in Palm Leaf - Panai

> Olai )

> in Krantham Language. My Great grand father read this grantham

to

> my father. and my father orally told to my elder brther & i

> overheard some of the stories.

>

> Unlike other Azhwars , Kaliyan's life is very Dynamic &

> Turbulant role and it was full of Braveness, courage &

> Ananya-Bhakthi.

>

> Even if you notice all the Azhwars , Kaliyan is the only Murattu

> Azhwar

> Having a Vael in his Hand ( for his bravery )

>

> Half of the story is ...........

>

> Story goes like this

> ==============

>

> In one of robbery sites - Kaliyan was near to the Treasure

(Por-

> Kalanjiyam)

> there used to be non-stopping Chakra which kaliyan dont know

> how to stop. he has been given a Hint that Vazhai maram could

stop

> that Chakra. Kaliyan used lot of Vaazhai maram to stop that

> chakra..

> Kaliyan cross the last hurdle to that treasure. while they

pack

> off the

> jewels(all other ornaments).... Kaliyan's Associate was

caught in

> trap (like Pori). The Robbery Gang was unable to get the

> Trapped kaliyan's Associate out of pori. In order to ensure

that

> Kaliyan & his associates dont get caught after robbery

> & escape safely with wealth Kaliyan killed one of his

associates

> (robber) by

> cutting his head off & packed his head with him. (like Ali-

baba

> story ) !!

> The Associate can (may) be one of Thola-Vazhakkan, Thaaal-

> ooothuvaan,

> Nizhal-pin-selvaan, Neer-mel-nadappaan.

>

> The associate man , whose head was cut , he instantly took a

birth

> and started growing like a vazhai maram. (again at almighty's

> wish to

> fulfill the rules of Isho Upanishad !!!)

>

> Kaliyan was spending his last years of life in

> thirukurungudi ....... ,

>

> In thiru-kurun-gudi-Vayal-kaadu , he (That Resurgent Man)blocked

> the Kaliyan at his old age and said i am going to cut off your

head.

> Kaliyan have no energy to fight. but to agree.He prayed for

> almighty to have a last darshan from Thirukurungudi perumaal,

> almighty agreed and after darshan was over , Kaliyan's Head

> was cut off by that man. [ This implies that one can see

temple

> or tower

> from Vayal Kaadu. I am assuming this sentence as i have no clue

> about these

> places !!! ]

>

> This story, i heard from my father. and who in turn through

either

> Yedu / through

> word of mouth told us.

>

> If any of the other bhagavathaas can shed a full-story on this

> topic, then it will be Great !!!

>

> But whatever i said ..is... from my consiousness i still have in

my

> mind ( through my father) and NOT a cooked-up-story !!!

>

> Adiyaen

>

> - Kaari-maara-piraap Daasan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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