book request re: christian pUrvapaksha and arguments against it

[Guest guest]

dear devotees,

 

As is evident, there is a good demand for the book written by srI.

Rama Ramanuja AchArya. Thanks to him for having written this, as

this is a very valuable work for us to go through.

 

I will get a copy from srI rAmA rAmAnuja AchArya and post in in the

files section of the ramanuja list.

 

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

varadhan

[Guest guest]

Dear Devotees -

 

I am indeed surprised at the amount of interest that this message has

received.

 

1. Why should we even "care to know" to know the "worst in another

religion?"

2. Why should we engage in defending the "worst things in our Sanatana

Dharma?" If they are truly worse (within context that is), should we not

try and address them rather than defend them blindly?

3. I truly believe that the purpose of our religion is to share our

knowledge when asked and not "proselytize" contrasting another religion with

others.

 

By putting such a text in the files area of this group, are we leaning

towards "offense is the best form of defense" theory? Is our philosophy so

weak that we cannot defend its theories? I personally do not think so and I

am sure most here in this forum will agree. If not, I would welcome

alternative thinking as to why we should embrace this document, post in the

files area, and use it to defend us.

 

adiyEn,

nArAyana vEda dAsan

Rajesh Elayavalli

-

"tavaradhan" <tavaradhan

<ramanuja>

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:15 PM

[ramanuja] book request re: christian pUrvapaksha and arguments

against it

 

 

>

>

> dear devotees,

>

> As is evident, there is a good demand for the book written by srI.

> Rama Ramanuja AchArya. Thanks to him for having written this, as

> this is a very valuable work for us to go through.

>

> I will get a copy from srI rAmA rAmAnuja AchArya and post in in the

> files section of the ramanuja list.

>

> adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

> varadhan

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--srI rAjEsh eLAyavaLLi wrote

> 1. Why should we even "care to know" to know the "worst in another

> religion?"

> 2. Why should we engage in defending the "worst things in our

Sanatana

> Dharma?" If they are truly worse (within context that is), should

we not

> try and address them rather than defend them blindly?

-----

 

I do not think anyone is advocating the defense of "worst things in

our sanAtana dharma".

 

---

> 3. I truly believe that the purpose of our religion is to share

our

> knowledge when asked and not "proselytize" contrasting another

religion with

> others.

-----

 

The purpose of the book is not to proselytize. It is to provide

information that can be used in arguments when our sanAtana dharma

is denigrated by others.

 

------

> By putting such a text in the files area of this group, are we

leaning

> towards "offense is the best form of defense" theory? Is our

philosophy so

> weak that we cannot defend its theories?

------

 

No. By putting such a text in the files area, we are leaning

towards "Knowledge of the opponents argument/background is better in

debates" theory.

 

> I personally do not think so and I

> am sure most here in this forum will agree. If not, I would

welcome

> alternative thinking as to why we should embrace this document,

post in the

> files area, and use it to defend us.

 

The reason why I said I will put it in the files section is so that

we do not receive 100 messages in our digest asking "how can I get

the book".

 

Beyond that, I think it is a valuable resource for those who have

been debating with missionaries. PErsonally, I have had several

conversations with missionaries who attempt to denigrate our

religion without tru basis in front of large audiences - espeically

in universities, and I believe that having a rational response is

something that is necessary for anyone who is interested in

providing our viewpoint in the debate.

 

 

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

varadhan

 

 

>

> adiyEn,

> nArAyana vEda dAsan

> Rajesh Elayavalli

> -

> "tavaradhan" <tavaradhan>

> <ramanuja>

> Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:15 PM

> [ramanuja] book request re: christian pUrvapaksha and

arguments

> against it

>

>

> >

> >

> > dear devotees,

> >

> > As is evident, there is a good demand for the book written by

srI.

> > Rama Ramanuja AchArya. Thanks to him for having written this, as

> > this is a very valuable work for us to go through.

> >

> > I will get a copy from srI rAmA rAmAnuja AchArya and post in in

the

> > files section of the ramanuja list.

> >

> > adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

> > varadhan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am all in for a rational response. I just did not see the writer of the

book say as such. I also do not think that a response can be rational if it

is focused on finding holes in another religion's philosophy or theory. A

sound rational debate is centered around the merits of the philosophy that

we have faith in. A negative attack like - "your faith also has these

negatives in it, so why do you focus on our negatives alone?" is not

rational debate.

 

A good approach is to state that the negatives in our philospphy are

mis-understood and provide logical structure why they have been either

mis-understood or mis-interpreted.

 

Anyhow, I see the reason why you might want to put the document in the files

area. I personally think that the Ramanuja group should not stoop down to

the levels of defending "negative tharka vada" and should focus instead on

"nyAya vada"

 

Anytime we start to highlight the negatives of another religion to gloss

over any perceived negatives in our own will only lead to unhealthy debate.

 

adiyEn

nArAyana vEda dAsan

Rajesh Elayavalli

-

"tavaradhan" <tavaradhan

<ramanuja>

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:51 PM

[ramanuja] Re: book request re: christian pUrvapaksha and arguments

against it

 

 

>

>

>

>

> --srI rAjEsh eLAyavaLLi wrote

> > 1. Why should we even "care to know" to know the "worst in another

> > religion?"

> > 2. Why should we engage in defending the "worst things in our

> Sanatana

> > Dharma?" If they are truly worse (within context that is), should

> we not

> > try and address them rather than defend them blindly?

> -----

>

> I do not think anyone is advocating the defense of "worst things in

> our sanAtana dharma".

>

> ---

> > 3. I truly believe that the purpose of our religion is to share

> our

> > knowledge when asked and not "proselytize" contrasting another

> religion with

> > others.

> -----

>

> The purpose of the book is not to proselytize. It is to provide

> information that can be used in arguments when our sanAtana dharma

> is denigrated by others.

>

> ------

> > By putting such a text in the files area of this group, are we

> leaning

> > towards "offense is the best form of defense" theory? Is our

> philosophy so

> > weak that we cannot defend its theories?

> ------

>

> No. By putting such a text in the files area, we are leaning

> towards "Knowledge of the opponents argument/background is better in

> debates" theory.

>

> > I personally do not think so and I

> > am sure most here in this forum will agree. If not, I would

> welcome

> > alternative thinking as to why we should embrace this document,

> post in the

> > files area, and use it to defend us.

>

> The reason why I said I will put it in the files section is so that

> we do not receive 100 messages in our digest asking "how can I get

> the book".

>

> Beyond that, I think it is a valuable resource for those who have

> been debating with missionaries. PErsonally, I have had several

> conversations with missionaries who attempt to denigrate our

> religion without tru basis in front of large audiences - espeically

> in universities, and I believe that having a rational response is

> something that is necessary for anyone who is interested in

> providing our viewpoint in the debate.

>

>

> adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

> varadhan

>

>

> >

> > adiyEn,

> > nArAyana vEda dAsan

> > Rajesh Elayavalli

> > -

> > "tavaradhan" <tavaradhan>

> > <ramanuja>

> > Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:15 PM

> > [ramanuja] book request re: christian pUrvapaksha and

> arguments

> > against it

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear devotees,

> > >

> > > As is evident, there is a good demand for the book written by

> srI.

> > > Rama Ramanuja AchArya. Thanks to him for having written this, as

> > > this is a very valuable work for us to go through.

> > >

> > > I will get a copy from srI rAmA rAmAnuja AchArya and post in in

> the

> > > files section of the ramanuja list.

> > >

> > > adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

> > > varadhan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Purva paksha is one of the crucial, time-honoured practices

of India. It requires that all sides in a discussion/

debate know the other's logic, philosophy, arguments etc so

well that the other side becomes compelled to say "you have

understood and stated our position as well as we could have

done it ourselves".

 

Christianity, and its alter-ego, secularism are a strong

force in the world today. A purva-paksha of christianity

is essential for every modern, educated hindu. This

becomes even more important considering that india has the

highest percentage of youth (14-30) population in the world

for the next 30 years.

 

Intellectuals like Rajiv Malhotra & Dr Balagangadhara Rao

have been leaders in creating a new discourse on the purva

paksha of christianity. Their writings need to be included

in this list.

 

Sanjay Garg

 

--- tavaradhan <tavaradhan wrote:

 

>

>

>

> --srI rAjEsh eLAyavaLLi wrote

> > 1. Why should we even "care to know" to know the

> "worst in another

> > religion?"

> > 2. Why should we engage in defending the "worst things

> in our

> Sanatana

> > Dharma?" If they are truly worse (within context that

> is), should

> we not

> > try and address them rather than defend them blindly?

> -----

>

> I do not think anyone is advocating the defense of "worst

> things in

> our sanAtana dharma".

>

> ---

> > 3. I truly believe that the purpose of our religion is

> to share

> our

> > knowledge when asked and not "proselytize" contrasting

> another

> religion with

> > others.

> -----

>

> The purpose of the book is not to proselytize. It is to

> provide

> information that can be used in arguments when our

> sanAtana dharma

> is denigrated by others.

>

> ------

> > By putting such a text in the files area of this group,

> are we

> leaning

> > towards "offense is the best form of defense" theory?

> Is our

> philosophy so

> > weak that we cannot defend its theories?

> ------

>

> No. By putting such a text in the files area, we are

> leaning

> towards "Knowledge of the opponents argument/background

> is better in

> debates" theory.

>

> > I personally do not think so and I

> > am sure most here in this forum will agree. If not, I

> would

> welcome

> > alternative thinking as to why we should embrace this

> document,

> post in the

> > files area, and use it to defend us.

>

> The reason why I said I will put it in the files section

> is so that

> we do not receive 100 messages in our digest asking "how

> can I get

> the book".

>

> Beyond that, I think it is a valuable resource for those

> who have

> been debating with missionaries. PErsonally, I have had

> several

> conversations with missionaries who attempt to denigrate

> our

> religion without tru basis in front of large audiences -

> espeically

> in universities, and I believe that having a rational

> response is

> something that is necessary for anyone who is interested

> in

> providing our viewpoint in the debate.

>

>

> adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

> varadhan

>

>

> >

> > adiyEn,

> > nArAyana vEda dAsan

> > Rajesh Elayavalli

> > -

> > "tavaradhan" <tavaradhan>

> > <ramanuja>

> > Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:15 PM

> > [ramanuja] book request re: christian

> pUrvapaksha and

> arguments

> > against it

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear devotees,

> > >

> > > As is evident, there is a good demand for the book

> written by

> srI.

> > > Rama Ramanuja AchArya. Thanks to him for having

> written this, as

> > > this is a very valuable work for us to go through.

> > >

> > > I will get a copy from srI rAmA rAmAnuja AchArya and

> post in in

> the

> > > files section of the ramanuja list.

> > >

> > > adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

> > > varadhan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

 

Dear devotees,

 

Humble praNAms to all. This is just a general mail not

in favor or against mails related on this issue. One may ask: why

advaitam is so popular than visishTAdvaitam(or why more shaivites

than vaishNavAs) in our country? Why the foreigners/westerners think

our country favors polytheism rather than monotheism/sriman

narayana, which is the essence of the vedas? The answer is false

knowledge. So is true with Christianity. Lot of christians do not

know what exactly is said in the Bible or rather they misinterpret

the Bible. I have one very great Catholic friend with whom I share

and discuss SV views(whatever I know!) and he in turn tells me

what's the equivalent in the Bible. I asked him why even priests of

your community eat non-veg. This friend of mine is a pure vegetarian

and he only eats twice a day and very specific about what he eats.

 

Many Christians, that I have come across,tell me it

doesn't matter what goes into your mouth but what comes out matters.

This is how they interpret some of the Bible passages. On the other

hand, my friend says that what the Bible says is that "when one is

religiously at the lowest level CAN eat(didn't say should eat)non-

veg. But a person in the religious path will go for vegetarian food

which makes him closer to God". He also told me that some 1500 yrs

ago,belief in rebirth(karma)used to be taught in the churches but

not anymore. So if we ask some Christians now they would say that

they don't believe in rebirth. I was also talking to this friend

about nirhEtukam/causeless mercy of the Lord. We exactly coincide in

our views. I am so amazed that he is so different and he is very

honest in expressing the knowledge. How many of our Indian

population know the Truth that it is only Sriman Narayana/Vishnu

that vEdas talk about?

 

One can not argue with a person who is mentally blind

unless God's grace is there for that person to be in the receiving

mode to attain/acquire knowledge. Well, we all should try to acquire

the correct knowledge from the authentic AcArya. When His grace is

there, AcAryA automatically appears at the door step to dispel our

ignorance. I have been stopped by Christians of different churches

and they start talking and I also listen to it but I don't ask them

questions b'coz I know(from the way they talk)they can not answer

any my questions. I just keep it in my mind and I ask this friend of

mine who is at a very high religious level. So we should be careful

when we meet people of different faiths and it's His grace that can

save us from wandering into different faiths.

 

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsI

NC Nappinnai

 

 

 

ramanuja, "Rajesh Elayavalli" <earajesh@h...>

wrote:

>

>

> I am all in for a rational response. I just did not see the

writer of the

> book say as such. I also do not think that a response can be

rational if it

> is focused on finding holes in another religion's philosophy or

theory. A

> sound rational debate is centered around the merits of the

philosophy that

> we have faith in. A negative attack like - "your faith also has

these

> negatives in it, so why do you focus on our negatives alone?" is

not

> rational debate.

>

> A good approach is to state that the negatives in our philospphy

are

> mis-understood and provide logical structure why they have been

either

> mis-understood or mis-interpreted.

>

> Anyhow, I see the reason why you might want to put the document in

the files

> area. I personally think that the Ramanuja group should not stoop

down to

> the levels of defending "negative tharka vada" and should focus

instead on

> "nyAya vada"

>

> Anytime we start to highlight the negatives of another religion to

gloss

> over any perceived negatives in our own will only lead to

unhealthy debate.

>

> adiyEn

> nArAyana vEda dAsan

> Rajesh Elayavalli

[Guest guest]

Dear Ms.vaidehi,

 

There is even a school of thought which says that jesus was a hindu

and lived his last days in kashmir.bavishya purana contains quotes

about jesus.

 

from http://tombofjesus.com/Conclusion.htm#bavish

 

"Shalivahan, who was a grandson of Bikrama Jit, took over the

government. He vanquished the attacking hordes of Chinese,

Parthians, Scythians and Bactrians. He drew a border between the

Arians and the Mleacha (= non-Hindus), and ordered the latter to

withdraw to the other side of India. One day, Shalivahan, the chief

ot the Sakyas, went into the Himalayas. There, in the Land of the

Hun (= Ladakh, a part of the Kushan empire), the powerful king saw a

man sitting on a mountain, who seemed to promise auspiciousness. His

skin was fair and he wore white garments.

 

"The king asked the holy man who he was. The other replied: 'I am

called a son of God, born of a virgin, minister of the non-

believers, relentless in search of the truth.' The king then asked

him: 'What is your religion?' The other replied, 'O great king, I

come from a foreign country, where there is no longer truth and

where evil knows no bounds. In the land of the non-believers, I

appeared as the Messiah. But the demon Ihamasi of the barbarians

(dasyu) manifested herself in a terrible form; I was delivered unto

her in the manner of the non-believers and ended in Ihamasi's realm.

 

"'O king, lend your ear to the religion that I brought unto the non-

believers: after the purification of the essence and the impure body

and after seeking refuge in the prayers of the Naigama, man will

pray to the Eternal. Through justice, truth, meditation and unity of

spirit, man will find his way to Isa in the center of light. God, as

firm as the sun, will finally unite the spirit of all wandering

beings in himself. Thus, O king, Ihamasi will be destroyed; and the

blissful image if Isa, the giver of happiness, will remain forever

in the heart; and I was called Isa-Masih.' After the king heard

these words, he took the teacher of the non-believers and sent him

to their pitiless land."(verses 16-33 of the third khanda of the

Pratisarga parvan of the Bhavishya Mahapurana)

 

This website further claims that kashmiris were jews.Sri

chandrasekarendra saraswathi has written about how hinduism was the

only religion that prevailed in the world and how christianity and

islam were different versions of hinduism.

 

There is a school of thought which says that jehovah is lord krishna

himself and he preached geetha to moses.I will write more about this

with more proof in my next mails.

 

 

 

 

ramanuja, "vaidhehi_nc" <nappinnai_nc>

wrote:

>

>

> Sri:

> Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

>

> Dear devotees,

>

> Humble praNAms to all. This is just a general mail

not

> in favor or against mails related on this issue. One may ask: why

> advaitam is so popular than visishTAdvaitam(or why more shaivites

> than vaishNavAs) in our country? Why the foreigners/westerners

think

> our country favors polytheism rather than monotheism/sriman

> narayana, which is the essence of the vedas? The answer is false

> knowledge. So is true with Christianity. Lot of christians do not

> know what exactly is said in the Bible or rather they misinterpret

> the Bible. I have one very great Catholic friend with whom I share

> and discuss SV views(whatever I know!) and he in turn tells me

> what's the equivalent in the Bible. I asked him why even priests

of

> your community eat non-veg. This friend of mine is a pure

vegetarian

> and he only eats twice a day and very specific about what he eats.

>

> Many Christians, that I have come across,tell me it

> doesn't matter what goes into your mouth but what comes out

matters.

> This is how they interpret some of the Bible passages. On the

other

> hand, my friend says that what the Bible says is that "when one is

> religiously at the lowest level CAN eat(didn't say should eat)non-

> veg. But a person in the religious path will go for vegetarian

food

> which makes him closer to God". He also told me that some 1500 yrs

> ago,belief in rebirth(karma)used to be taught in the churches but

> not anymore. So if we ask some Christians now they would say that

> they don't believe in rebirth. I was also talking to this friend

> about nirhEtukam/causeless mercy of the Lord. We exactly coincide

in

> our views. I am so amazed that he is so different and he is very

> honest in expressing the knowledge. How many of our Indian

> population know the Truth that it is only Sriman Narayana/Vishnu

> that vEdas talk about?

>

> One can not argue with a person who is mentally

blind

> unless God's grace is there for that person to be in the receiving

> mode to attain/acquire knowledge. Well, we all should try to

acquire

> the correct knowledge from the authentic AcArya. When His grace

is

> there, AcAryA automatically appears at the door step to dispel our

> ignorance. I have been stopped by Christians of different churches

> and they start talking and I also listen to it but I don't ask

them

> questions b'coz I know(from the way they talk)they can not answer

> any my questions. I just keep it in my mind and I ask this friend

of

> mine who is at a very high religious level. So we should be

careful

> when we meet people of different faiths and it's His grace that

can

> save us from wandering into different faiths.

>

> adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsI

> NC Nappinnai

>

>

>

> ramanuja, "Rajesh Elayavalli"

<earajesh@h...>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I am all in for a rational response. I just did not see the

> writer of the

> > book say as such. I also do not think that a response can be

> rational if it

> > is focused on finding holes in another religion's philosophy or

> theory. A

> > sound rational debate is centered around the merits of the

> philosophy that

> > we have faith in. A negative attack like - "your faith also has

> these

> > negatives in it, so why do you focus on our negatives alone?" is

> not

> > rational debate.

> >

> > A good approach is to state that the negatives in our philospphy

> are

> > mis-understood and provide logical structure why they have been

> either

> > mis-understood or mis-interpreted.

> >

> > Anyhow, I see the reason why you might want to put the document

in

> the files

> > area. I personally think that the Ramanuja group should not

stoop

> down to

> > the levels of defending "negative tharka vada" and should focus

> instead on

> > "nyAya vada"

> >

> > Anytime we start to highlight the negatives of another religion

to

> gloss

> > over any perceived negatives in our own will only lead to

> unhealthy debate.

> >

> > adiyEn

> > nArAyana vEda dAsan

> > Rajesh Elayavalli

[Guest guest]

very interesting discussions.

 

the story of Krishna was very famous in the land of

jesus before the birth of jesus. there were bouddha

monks there before jesus.

krishna became krist in pronunciation.

"there were men of all religions in the monastry,

brahmins from the East who believed in

Krishna"----Phylo (ancient jews hestorian.)

( see the similarities in life of Krishna and jesus

crist.

krishna devotees those who were there before the birth

of crist, used to put symbols like U and Y on

forhead.

( see tirunamam on jesus'face whi was in Y shape and

also on the foreheads of the soldier who was putting

the cross on jesus in page 283 of "Legends of Madonna"

by Mrs.James.

in 109th page mary has the same symble with a third

line in the middle.

 

[these are the samples from the book 'Aabhaasa

kraistavam' by Kota Venkatachalam in 1948(telugu)

i will try to translate and put in on the mail.

 

deekshith

 

 

--- priya_vaishnava <priya_vaishnava

wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Ms.vaidehi,

>

> There is even a school of thought which says that

> jesus was a hindu

> and lived his last days in kashmir.bavishya purana

> contains quotes

> about jesus.

>

> from http://tombofjesus.com/Conclusion.htm#bavish

>

> "Shalivahan, who was a grandson of Bikrama Jit, took

> over the

> government. He vanquished the attacking hordes of

> Chinese,

> Parthians, Scythians and Bactrians. He drew a border

> between the

> Arians and the Mleacha (= non-Hindus), and ordered

> the latter to

> withdraw to the other side of India. One day,

> Shalivahan, the chief

> ot the Sakyas, went into the Himalayas. There, in

> the Land of the

> Hun (= Ladakh, a part of the Kushan empire), the

> powerful king saw a

> man sitting on a mountain, who seemed to promise

> auspiciousness. His

> skin was fair and he wore white garments.

>

> "The king asked the holy man who he was. The other

> replied: 'I am

> called a son of God, born of a virgin, minister of

> the non-

> believers, relentless in search of the truth.' The

> king then asked

> him: 'What is your religion?' The other replied, 'O

> great king, I

> come from a foreign country, where there is no

> longer truth and

> where evil knows no bounds. In the land of the

> non-believers, I

> appeared as the Messiah. But the demon Ihamasi of

> the barbarians

> (dasyu) manifested herself in a terrible form; I was

> delivered unto

> her in the manner of the non-believers and ended in

> Ihamasi's realm.

>

> "'O king, lend your ear to the religion that I

> brought unto the non-

> believers: after the purification of the essence and

> the impure body

> and after seeking refuge in the prayers of the

> Naigama, man will

> pray to the Eternal. Through justice, truth,

> meditation and unity of

> spirit, man will find his way to Isa in the center

> of light. God, as

> firm as the sun, will finally unite the spirit of

> all wandering

> beings in himself. Thus, O king, Ihamasi will be

> destroyed; and the

> blissful image if Isa, the giver of happiness, will

> remain forever

> in the heart; and I was called Isa-Masih.' After the

> king heard

> these words, he took the teacher of the

> non-believers and sent him

> to their pitiless land."(verses 16-33 of the third

> khanda of the

> Pratisarga parvan of the Bhavishya Mahapurana)

>

> This website further claims that kashmiris were

> jews.Sri

> chandrasekarendra saraswathi has written about how

> hinduism was the

> only religion that prevailed in the world and how

> christianity and

> islam were different versions of hinduism.

>

> There is a school of thought which says that jehovah

> is lord krishna

> himself and he preached geetha to moses.I will write

> more about this

> with more proof in my next mails.

>

>

>

>

> ramanuja, "vaidhehi_nc"

> <nappinnai_nc>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sri:

> > Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

> >

> > Dear devotees,

> >

> > Humble praNAms to all. This is just

> a general mail

> not

> > in favor or against mails related on this issue.

> One may ask: why

> > advaitam is so popular than visishTAdvaitam(or why

> more shaivites

> > than vaishNavAs) in our country? Why the

> foreigners/westerners

> think

> > our country favors polytheism rather than

> monotheism/sriman

> > narayana, which is the essence of the vedas? The

> answer is false

> > knowledge. So is true with Christianity. Lot of

> christians do not

> > know what exactly is said in the Bible or rather

> they misinterpret

> > the Bible. I have one very great Catholic friend

> with whom I share

> > and discuss SV views(whatever I know!) and he in

> turn tells me

> > what's the equivalent in the Bible. I asked him

> why even priests

> of

> > your community eat non-veg. This friend of mine is

> a pure

> vegetarian

> > and he only eats twice a day and very specific

> about what he eats.

> >

> > Many Christians, that I have come

> across,tell me it

> > doesn't matter what goes into your mouth but what

> comes out

> matters.

> > This is how they interpret some of the Bible

> passages. On the

> other

> > hand, my friend says that what the Bible says is

> that "when one is

> > religiously at the lowest level CAN eat(didn't say

> should eat)non-

> > veg. But a person in the religious path will go

> for vegetarian

> food

> > which makes him closer to God". He also told me

> that some 1500 yrs

> > ago,belief in rebirth(karma)used to be taught in

> the churches but

> > not anymore. So if we ask some Christians now they

> would say that

> > they don't believe in rebirth. I was also talking

> to this friend

> > about nirhEtukam/causeless mercy of the Lord. We

> exactly coincide

> in

> > our views. I am so amazed that he is so different

> and he is very

> > honest in expressing the knowledge. How many of

> our Indian

> > population know the Truth that it is only Sriman

> Narayana/Vishnu

> > that vEdas talk about?

> >

> > One can not argue with a person who

> is mentally

> blind

> > unless God's grace is there for that person to be

> in the receiving

> > mode to attain/acquire knowledge. Well, we all

> should try to

> acquire

> > the correct knowledge from the authentic AcArya.

> When His grace

> is

> > there, AcAryA automatically appears at the door

> step to dispel our

> > ignorance. I have been stopped by Christians of

> different churches

> > and they start talking and I also listen to it but

> I don't ask

> them

> > questions b'coz I know(from the way they talk)they

> can not answer

> > any my questions. I just keep it in my mind and I

> ask this friend

> of

> > mine who is at a very high religious level. So we

> should be

> careful

> > when we meet people of different faiths and it's

> His grace that

> can

> > save us from wandering into different faiths.

> >

> > adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsI

> > NC Nappinnai

> >

> >

> >

>

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Deekshith Parasaram PhD

Hindu Temple and Cultural Center.

3818, 212 st SE Bothell wa

ph. 425-482-9426

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