Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Dear devotees, I have a doubt and seeking explanation from bhaktas here. Shri Ram is addressed as eka Patni virathan not seen any ladies even by eye sight. Is it the true meaning of eka Patni virathan? Or is it true because, He is the utimate purusha and all the femenine aspects are ultimately Shrimathi and thus Lord is eka Patni Viratha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Dear Seeker, I took the term to be "e:ka patni vratha". A vratha, at least in the way I understand it, is a commitment, a vow, a dedication; if this is true the term would imply one who is committed to one wife. If Ra:ma had taken sight of only one woman, then how can we explain Sabari, Ahalya, etc.? Mohan agnidasa wrote: > Dear devotees, > > I have a doubt and seeking explanation from bhaktas here. Shri Ram is > addressed as eka Patni virathan not seen any ladies even by eye sight. > Is it the true meaning of eka Patni virathan? > > Or is it true because, He is the utimate purusha and all the femenine > aspects are ultimately Shrimathi and thus Lord is eka Patni Viratha? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Pl note the parampara says 'mathruvatu paradareshu', which means see his own mother in all other women. If we take it literally in that sense then what will be the status of our father? Actually the meaning is you have to treat them with the same reverence and affection that you have for your mother. So Rama was very much seeing other women, he was a king how he can go around the streets blind folded. For the issue of Eka Patni vraatha, he has not to indulge with any female other than the chosen one even in thoughts. There is the story of ahalya to exlain this also. Dasan/raghavanMadhuri and Mohan <mmsagar (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Seeker,I took the term to be "e:ka patni vratha". A vratha, at least in the way I understand it, is a commitment, a vow, a dedication; if this is true the term would imply one who is committed to one wife.If Ra:ma had taken sight of only one woman, then how can we explain Sabari, Ahalya, etc.?Mohanagnidasa wrote:> Dear devotees,>> I have a doubt and seeking explanation from bhaktas here. Shri Ram is> addressed as eka Patni virathan not seen any ladies even by eye sight.> Is it the true meaning of eka Patni virathan?>> Or is it true because, He is the utimate purusha and all the femenine> aspects are ultimately Shrimathi and thus Lord is eka Patni Viratha?>>> Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Dear seeker, Yes. vratham - is a commitment. In the reply given by mohan one point to be noted is - rama saw sabari ahalya, soorpanaka, thaaraa, later in the battle field mandothari et al - BUT NOT AS WIFE. seeing one woman as wife and just seeing them with eyes are TOTALLY DIFFERENT.. as the questioner asked "not seen any ladies even by eye sight" should be taken literally, yes. not seen other ladies AS "pathni" - wife - even by eye sight, leave alone enjoying her physically. - viz raamaa did not see any other lady with the eyes of enjoying her - kaamak kaN Ottaththudan - with the intention of kaamam behind. that is why he is alled Eka pathni vrathan. in the days when kshathriyaas and that too kings are literally permitted to have more than one wife - leaglly recognised. just compare his father - had 3 wives as patta mahishis, 60000 wives in his anthappuram - courtyard. also compare krishna - had 8 wives as patta mahishis and 16108 wives - all ladies giving birth to 10 children each - not my imagination - but as per srimadh bhagavatham - yet he is identified and called as brahmachari and proved his brahmacharyam by touching the uththara garbham to give life as a child. one more clarification - point 1. normal rules applicable to human beings is not aplicable to avathaara purushaas, point 2. yuga dharmangaL varies per each yugam. a good example - pandavas and dhroupathi - can it be implemented now? Definitely NOT. like that. in a krithi thyaagaraja sings "oka maata oka baana oka pathni vrathude" - means one having a commitment to one word, one arrow, one wife. trust this clarifies. MGVasudevan ramanuja [ramanuja]On Behalf Of Madhuri and MohanTuesday, July 19, 2005 6:20 AMramanujaSubject: Re: [ramanuja] eka Patni VirathanDear Seeker,I took the term to be "e:ka patni vratha". A vratha, at least in the way I understand it, is a commitment, a vow, a dedication; if this is true the term would imply one who is committed to one wife.If Ra:ma had taken sight of only one woman, then how can we explain Sabari, Ahalya, etc.?Mohanagnidasa wrote:> Dear devotees,>> I have a doubt and seeking explanation from bhaktas here. Shri Ram is> addressed as eka Patni virathan not seen any ladies even by eye sight.> Is it the true meaning of eka Patni virathan?>> Or is it true because, He is the utimate purusha and all the femenine> aspects are ultimately Shrimathi and thus Lord is eka Patni Viratha?>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Namaskaaram, Eka Pathni Vratham, to my knowledge is being steadfast in monogamy. Sri Ramachandra moorthy in HIS avathar, preached / showed the world the ways of leading an ideal life. Since HE is the Almighty personified, HE had the duties to redeem the devotees - Sabari, Ahalya. One performs solemn vow during wedding rites, in front of the Holy Fire - Vishnu to take care of his wife as his child and to perform the Eka Pathni Vratham. So, one must be obliged / duty bound to do Eka Pathni Vratham, by default in a marriage and THAT is the norm in this civilised world. Sthri, purusha are just the two halves that combine during the wedding. They get united to form a holy blend - the pefect example being Ardha-naari-Ishwara. So, one male and one female makes the perfect couple. Three-some, not so. The lord Narayana is the Ardha-Naari-Ishwara, whose other half is Shri MahaLakshmi. Together as purusha (Narayana) and prakriti (Shrimathi), HE becomes Ardha-Naari-Ishwara. No difference between them. HE/SHE remains in THAT state. God Bless All. On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 Madhuri and Mohan wrote : >Dear Seeker, >I took the term to be "e:ka patni vratha". A vratha, at least in the >way I understand it, is a commitment, a vow, a dedication; if this is >true the term would imply one who is committed to one wife. >If Ra:ma had taken sight of only one woman, then how can we explain >Sabari, Ahalya, etc.? >Mohan >agnidasa wrote: >> Dear devotees, >> >> I have a doubt and seeking explanation from bhaktas here. Shri Ram is >> addressed as eka Patni virathan not seen any ladies even by eye sight. >> Is it the true meaning of eka Patni virathan? >> >> Or is it true because, He is the utimate purusha and all the femenine >> aspects are ultimately Shrimathi and thus Lord is eka Patni Viratha? >> >> >> >azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > >Bhagavad gita >Culture >Ways of >Recognize >Corporate culture >Hawaiian culture > > Visit your group " >ramanuja >" on the web. > > > >ramanuja > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service >. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Eka patni vrathan. Yes it is monogamy in actio alone, what Rama personified was the eka patni vratha by thoughts and deed that is what is stressed. dasan/raghavanRaj Narayanan <raj_narayanan (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: Namaskaaram,Eka Pathni Vratham, to my knowledge is being steadfast in monogamy. Sri Ramachandra moorthy in HIS avathar, preached / showed the world the ways of leading an ideal life. Since HE is the Almighty personified, HE had the duties to redeem the devotees - Sabari, Ahalya. One performs solemn vow during wedding rites, in front of the Holy Fire - Vishnu to take care of his wife as his child and to perform the Eka Pathni Vratham. So, one must be obliged / duty bound to do Eka Pathni Vratham, by default in a marriage and THAT is the norm in this civilised world. Sthri, purusha are just the two halves that combine during the wedding. They get united to form a holy blend - the pefect example being Ardha-naari-Ishwara. So, one male and one female makes the perfect couple. Three-some, not so.The lord Narayana is the Ardha-Naari-Ishwara, whose other half is Shri MahaLakshmi. Together as purusha (Narayana) and prakriti (Shrimathi), HE becomes Ardha-Naari-Ishwara. No difference between them. HE/SHE remains in THAT state.God Bless All.On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 Madhuri and Mohan wrote :>Dear Seeker,>I took the term to be "e:ka patni vratha". A vratha, at least in the>way I understand it, is a commitment, a vow, a dedication; if this is>true the term would imply one who is committed to one wife.>If Ra:ma had taken sight of only one woman, then how can we explain>Sabari, Ahalya, etc.?>Mohan>agnidasa wrote:>> Dear devotees,>>>> I have a doubt and seeking explanation from bhaktas here. Shri Ram is>> addressed as eka Patni virathan not seen any ladies even by eye sight.>> Is it the true meaning of eka Patni virathan?>>>> Or is it true because, He is the utimate purusha and all the femenine>> aspects are ultimately Shrimathi and thus Lord is eka Patni Viratha?>>>>>>>azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam>SPONSORED LINKS>Bhagavad gita>Culture>Ways of>Recognize>Corporate culture>Hawaiian culture>> Visit your group ">ramanuja>" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> >ramanuja> > Your use of is subject to the> Terms of Service>. Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Ardha-naari-Ishwara? When did that word came into use in Vaishnavite context? Shri MahaLakshmi is yet another jeevatma and is a separate entity from that of the parama purusha. The difference between Shri and other jeevatmas is that Shri is functionally inseperable from the paramapurusha whilst the others are subject to separation from him (functionally). Of-course physically everyone is in one single package with the almighty, in totality, if my understanding of Vishitadvaita is correct. adiyen, Dasan > Raj Narayanan <raj_narayanan@r...> wrote: > > Namaskaaram, > Eka Pathni Vratham, to my knowledge is being steadfast in monogamy. Sri Ramachandra moorthy in HIS avathar, preached / showed the world the ways of leading an ideal life. Since HE is the Almighty personified, HE had the duties to redeem the devotees - Sabari, Ahalya. One performs solemn vow during wedding rites, in front of the Holy Fire - Vishnu to take care of his wife as his child and to perform the Eka Pathni Vratham. So, one must be obliged / duty bound to do Eka Pathni Vratham, by default in a marriage and THAT is the norm in this civilised world. Sthri, purusha are just the two halves that combine during the wedding. They get united to form a holy blend - the pefect example being Ardha-naari-Ishwara. So, one male and one female makes the perfect couple. Three-some, not so. > The lord Narayana is the Ardha-Naari-Ishwara, whose other half is Shri MahaLakshmi. Together as purusha (Narayana) and prakriti (Shrimathi), HE becomes Ardha-Naari-Ishwara. No difference between them. HE/SHE remains in THAT state. > God Bless All. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Just to add to my previous post, Eka pathni vrthan is not probably a credit for Rama at all, and is more for Sita for keeping him so:) - Ramayanam is all about "sirai sendraval etram" and not much about Rama as per our poorvacharyas. adiyen, Dasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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