viNNulAr- a doubt

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Dear all,

 

I came across the following pasuram by Nammazhwar-

Thiruvoimozhi 7.1.6

 

viNNuLaar _perumaaRku adimaicheyvaaraiyum cheRum*

aimpulanivai,*

maNNuL ennaip peRRaal* en_cheyyaamaRRu neeyumvittaal?*

paNNuLaay! kavi thannuLaay!* paththiyinuLLaay!

parameechanE,* vandhen-

kaNNuLaay! nenchuLaay!* cholluLaay! onRu chollaayE.

7.1.6

 

Here azhwar is praying that even the vinnular are

controlled by the five senses. Who does he refer to as

viNNulaar here ? The Nitya Suris or the devas in the

devaloka.What are the aimpulan referred here? Because

in BG 13.6, The Lord mentions, "indriyAni dasaikam cha

pancha chEndriya go charA" for kshetram and these are

coming from the pradhana which is within the jada

lokam. So, how do we take viNNulAr to be Nitya sooris?

 

Ramanuja dasi

Vedavalli Ranganathan

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Madam,

 

The emphasis here is not on viNNuLAr by itself but for those who serve the LOrd

of viNNuLAr. EmperumAn is the even Lord for viNNuLAr. Those who serve this

EmperumAn are 'viNNuLAr perumARku adimai seivAr" .

 

Here, viNNuLArrefers to nithya-Suri-s. The question whether these torment even

nithya sUri-s there,is taken up. Yes, it does so. Is there a precedent?The

incident of Sri Periya Thriuvadi and sumukan is narrated to prove this point.

KInldy refer to EDu vyAkyAnam for this pAsuram.'Thirvadiyaiyaiyum 'enakku'

ennap paNNiRRirEA.

 

Thus if nithya-sUri-s are tormented by these five senses there, then can the

degree of torture be lesser here in this world. Then why Oh! Lord are you

still keeping me here " is the despair words from mARan.

 

'vunnilA aivar vudan iruthi ivvulagil , eNNilA mAyan enai naliya eNNuginRAn.."

thiruvAi mozhi nURRandhAdhi 61;

 

How, then to escape from these .The answer to this also is given in the seventh pAsuram.

 

" enRu yAn velgiRpan vun thiruvaruL illaiyEAl'

With the Grace of EmperumAn.

DAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

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Dear Sri Padmanabhan Swamin,

If one becomes a nithyasUri by His grace,

how can be subjected to the modes of nature and/or the five senses?? The

literal meaning of the word "Vaikuntha" means a place without anxiety. It is

fair to assume that a jeevatma is subjected to anxiety when he is subjected to

the modes of material nature, or when he uses his five senses for anything but

service to the Lord. What we see here seems to contradict the very concept of

Moksham. I request you to kindly address this paradox.

 

Dasan,

Kidambi Soundararajan.

Padmanabhan <aazhwar (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Madam,

 

The emphasis here is not on viNNuLAr by itself but for those who serve the LOrd

of viNNuLAr. EmperumAn is the even Lord for viNNuLAr. Those who serve this

EmperumAn are 'viNNuLAr perumARku adimai seivAr" .

 

Here, viNNuLArrefers to nithya-Suri-s. The question whether these torment even

nithya sUri-s there,is taken up. Yes, it does so. Is there a precedent?The

incident of Sri Periya Thriuvadi and sumukan is narrated to prove this point.

KInldy refer to EDu vyAkyAnam for this pAsuram.'Thirvadiyaiyaiyum 'enakku'

ennap paNNiRRirEA.

 

Thus if nithya-sUri-s are tormented by these five senses there, then can the

degree of torture be lesser here in this world. Then why Oh! Lord are you

still keeping me here " is the despair words from mARan.

 

'vunnilA aivar vudan iruthi ivvulagil , eNNilA mAyan enai naliya eNNuginRAn.."

thiruvAi mozhi nURRandhAdhi 61;

 

How, then to escape from these .The answer to this also is given in the seventh pAsuram.

 

" enRu yAn velgiRpan vun thiruvaruL illaiyEAl'

With the Grace of EmperumAn.

DAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

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Dear Sri Padmanabhan Swami,

 

Namaskaram. Both in Bhagavad Gita 13.6 and 15.7, the

lord mentions that the five senses are associated with

the ksetra, material body and within prakrti. How do

we understand Nitya-suris who have a suddha sattva

sarira being affected by the five senses?

 

Ramanuja dasi

Vedavalli Ranganathan

 

--- vimalkumar ranganathan <panardasan

wrote:

 

> Sri:

> Dear Sri Padmanabhan Swamin,

> If one becomes a

> nithyasUri by His grace, how can be subjected to the

> modes of nature and/or the five senses?? The literal

> meaning of the word "Vaikuntha" means a place

> without anxiety. It is fair to assume that a

> jeevatma is subjected to anxiety when he is

> subjected to the modes of material nature, or when

> he uses his five senses for anything but service to

> the Lord. What we see here seems to contradict the

> very concept of Moksham. I request you to kindly

> address this paradox.

>

> Dasan,

> Kidambi Soundararajan.

>

>

> Padmanabhan <aazhwar wrote:

> Dear Madam,

>

> The emphasis here is not on viNNuLAr by itself but

> for those who serve the LOrd of viNNuLAr. EmperumAn

> is the even Lord for viNNuLAr. Those who serve this

> EmperumAn are 'viNNuLAr perumARku adimai seivAr" .

>

> Here, viNNuLArrefers to nithya-Suri-s. The question

> whether these torment even nithya sUri-s there,is

> taken up. Yes, it does so. Is there a precedent?The

> incident of Sri Periya Thriuvadi and sumukan is

> narrated to prove this point. KInldy refer to EDu

> vyAkyAnam for this pAsuram.'Thirvadiyaiyaiyum

> 'enakku' ennap paNNiRRirEA.

>

> Thus if nithya-sUri-s are tormented by these five

> senses there, then can the degree of torture be

> lesser here in this world. Then why Oh! Lord are

> you still keeping me here " is the despair words

> from mARan.

>

> 'vunnilA aivar vudan iruthi ivvulagil , eNNilA mAyan

> enai naliya eNNuginRAn.." thiruvAi mozhi

> nURRandhAdhi 61;

>

> How, then to escape from these .The answer to this

> also is given in the seventh pAsuram.

>

> " enRu yAn velgiRpan vun thiruvaruL illaiyEAl'

> With the Grace of EmperumAn.

> DAsan

> vanamamalai padmanabhan

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The answers will definitely be there as given in Edu vyAkhyAnam..can someone

with the needed resources (the book and the TamiL reading skills) kindly post

what is written there??

 

In fact a similar question arises in Mumukshuppadi tirumantra prakaraNam where

'virodhi' (kainkarya hAni) is mentioned even for nityas and muktAs ...but

probably the explanation given for 'kainkarya hAni' there is the feeling of

happiness felt by themselves in the performance of kainkaryas instead being

only for His happiness. vedavalli ranganathan <vedaranga > wrote:

Dear Sri Padmanabhan Swami,Namaskaram. Both in Bhagavad Gita 13.6 and 15.7,

thelord mentions that the five senses are associated withthe ksetra, material

body and within prakrti. How dowe understand Nitya-suris who have a suddha

sattvasarira being affected by the five senses?Ramanuja dasiVedavalli

Ranganathan--- vimalkumar ranganathan <panardasan >wrote:> Sri: > Dear

Sri Padmanabhan Swamin,> If one becomes a>

nithyasUri by His grace, how can be subjected to the> modes of nature and/or

the five senses?? The literal> meaning of the word "Vaikuntha" means a

place> without anxiety. It is fair to assume that a> jeevatma is subjected to

anxiety when he is> subjected to the modes of material nature, or when> he uses

his five senses for anything but service to> the Lord. What we see here seems to

contradict the> very concept of Moksham. I request you to kindly> address this

paradox.> > Dasan,> Kidambi Soundararajan. >

> > Padmanabhan <aazhwar (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:> Dear Madam,> > The emphasis here

is not on viNNuLAr by itself but> for those who serve the LOrd of viNNuLAr.

EmperumAn> is the even Lord for viNNuLAr. Those who serve this> EmperumAn are

'viNNuLAr perumARku adimai

seivAr" .> > Here, viNNuLArrefers to nithya-Suri-s. The question> whether these

torment even nithya sUri-s there,is> taken up. Yes, it does so. Is there a

precedent?The> incident of Sri Periya Thriuvadi and sumukan is> narrated to

prove this point. KInldy refer to EDu> vyAkyAnam for this

pAsuram.'Thirvadiyaiyaiyum> 'enakku' ennap paNNiRRirEA. > > Thus if

nithya-sUri-s are tormented by these five> senses there, then can the degree of

torture be> lesser here in this world. Then why Oh! Lord are> you still keeping

me here " is the despair words> from mARan.> > 'vunnilA aivar vudan iruthi

ivvulagil , eNNilA mAyan> enai naliya eNNuginRAn.." thiruvAi mozhi>

nURRandhAdhi 61;> > How, then to escape from these .The answer to this> also

is given in the seventh pAsuram.> > " enRu yAn velgiRpan

vun thiruvaruL illaiyEAl' > With the Grace of EmperumAn.> DAsan> vanamamalai

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