ViNNuLAr..

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SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA

 

Respected Sri Soundararajan swamy,

 

Pranams.

 

A very good clarity emerges from your mail on ViNNuLAr.

>From your mail it is deduced that ViNNuLAr are those who are in Vaikuntham

which is ViNN- nagar.Since they are the ones who see Him always, 'sadha

pasyathi', in the Thirumalai pasuram, "viNNuLAr viyappa vanthu Anaikku anRu

aruLai Intha kaNNaRAy" shows that they were present along with Emperuman

when He came to protect the elephant. Since they see Him always (sadha

pasyathi), their presence is always with Him, for wherever He is, there they

will be. They will always accompany Him. So no question of them leaving

Parama padham arises.

 

For the other doubt on 'aimpulan' part, you have referred to Edu vyaakyanam

as referring to Sugriva and other great souls on earth. (viNNuLAr

perumARkadimai seyvAraiyum seRum aimpulan ivai). Kindly throw more light on

whether this is about the great souls who did supreme service to Him in

their baddha jiva state (with affliction by 5 senses), who were ultimately

given ViNNagara-p-padavi. This doubt comes because how can a muktha be

afflicted by 5 senses (once after becoming a muktha).Since He is one who

takes note of the good things where they are not even present, by some

justification like 'en vUrai-ch-chonnaai, pErai-ch-chonnai' and also acts

like a goldsmith (pon vANiyan ponnai urai kallilE....... Sri vachana

bhooshanam). who takes into account even the smallest good thing we have

done and multiplies it as 'kaal pon aayitrru, kazhanju pon aayitrru' , it

is difficult to think that he will allow the mukthan to suffer from 5

senses.

 

So one way of looking at this is that He has lifted even those who have

been under the spell of 5 senses mainly because they were steadfast in their

servive to Him. Why I say like this is because Sri Govindarajar in his

vyakhyaanam of VAlmiki RAmayana, has highlighted at what places Sugriva had

slipped in his ways and how Rama had glossed them over - just dismissed them

like in 'en vUrai-ch-chonnai, pErai-ch-chonnai'. Inspite of such deliberate

mistakes - apparently due to the handiwork of 5 senses - since Sugriva did

complete service to Him, he was given ViNNuLAr status. Is this referred to

in the above verse? Or someother explanation? Kindly clarify.

 

Regards,

jayasree saranathan.

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You have given an interesting extended meaning that Nithyasuris seing the act of

the Lord in saving Gajendra from the clutches of the crocodile as they possess

the attribute of ' sada pasyanti'.

 

As per the vyakhyanam. the Nithyasuris were surprised at the grace of the Lord

flowing to an animal. According to my understanding ,the Nithyasuris enjoy and

serve the Lord at Paramapadam and do not follow the Lord always, They have the

power to go any where in the universe at the speed of mind. They descend to the

earth in avataram.

 

Paramapadam is a place where Karmas do not bind the person.

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There is nothing to suggest that Nithyasuris are subject to five senses.

 

The eedu vyakhyanam is a little more elaborate.

 

In the eedu vyakhyanam, apart from Sugriva there are other examples where the

five senses torment even the best of the devotees of the Lord.i.e. 'Vinnular

perumarkku adimai seyvaraiyum serum aimpulan'. The other example is sage

viswamitra who is great in his gyana but still suffered due to the 'aimpulan'.

 

The vyakhyanam says that nityasuris suffer this in the avatara state.Ilaya

perumal who was avatara of Anantha and who was serving the Lord was subject to

this. Peria Thiruvadi 's objection to the Lord giving shelter to the serpent

Sumukha exhibited this quality. This is in avatara state . This perhaps refers

to the dispute between Vinatha, mother of Garuda and Khatru, the mother of

serpents.

 

When I was going through Vyakhyam, vanular refers refers to Devas incuding

Brahma and Vinnular, the nithyasuris.

 

Amarar refers in one place to the devas .Amarar is given as referring to the

nithyasuris in another palace.

 

Umber refers to both Nithyasuris as well as devas in the vyahyyanam of the pasurams..

 

Surprisingly, the term devas is explained as referring to Nithyasuris (Thiruvaimozhi 7-10-11).

 

Different meanings are assigned by the Vyakhyatas depending on the context.

 

Adiyen

Ramanujadasan

Soundararajan

 

 

 

 

 

 

..saranathan <jayasree_saranathan (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in> wrote:

SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHARespected Sri Soundararajan swamy,Pranams.A very good

clarity emerges from your mail on ViNNuLAr.From your mail it is deduced that

ViNNuLAr are those who are in Vaikunthamwhich is ViNN- nagar.Since they are the

ones who see Him always, 'sadhapasyathi', in the Thirumalai pasuram, "viNNuLAr

viyappa vanthu Anaikku anRuaruLai Intha kaNNaRAy" shows that they were present

along with Emperumanwhen He came to protect the elephant. Since they see Him

always (sadhapasyathi), their presence is always with Him, for wherever He is,

there theywill be. They will always accompany Him. So no question of them

leavingParama padham arises.For the other doubt on 'aimpulan' part, you have

referred to Edu vyaakyanamas referring to Sugriva and other great souls on

earth. (viNNuLArperumARkadimai

seyvAraiyum seRum aimpulan ivai). Kindly throw more light onwhether this is

about the great souls who did supreme service to Him intheir baddha jiva state

(with affliction by 5 senses), who were ultimatelygiven ViNNagara-p-padavi.

This doubt comes because how can a muktha beafflicted by 5 senses (once after

becoming a muktha).Since He is one whotakes note of the good things where they

are not even present, by somejustification like 'en vUrai-ch-chonnaai,

pErai-ch-chonnai' and also actslike a goldsmith (pon vANiyan ponnai urai

kallilE....... Sri vachanabhooshanam). who takes into account even the smallest

good thing we havedone and multiplies it as 'kaal pon aayitrru, kazhanju pon

aayitrru' , itis difficult to think that he will allow the mukthan to suffer

from 5senses.So one way of looking at this is that He has lifted even those who

havebeen under the spell of 5 senses mainly because they were steadfast in

theirservive to Him. Why I say like this is because Sri Govindarajar in

hisvyakhyaanam of VAlmiki RAmayana, has highlighted at what places Sugriva

hadslipped in his ways and how Rama had glossed them over - just dismissed

themlike in 'en vUrai-ch-chonnai, pErai-ch-chonnai'. Inspite of such

deliberatemistakes - apparently due to the handiwork of 5 senses - since

Sugriva didcomplete service to Him, he was given ViNNuLAr status. Is this

referred toin the above verse? Or someother explanation? Kindly

clarify.Regards,jayasree saranathan.

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