Desikan - Thenkalai etc.

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I am seeing many versions of this story.

If indeed the stories by Anbil at the link is wrong, and if indeed many others

have used the same (fromk 3000 padi and not 6000 padi)

then why have the other scholars from Thenkalai side not

protested this at all. This fact telle me Anbil maybe true.

q1: Even today why do the leaders of Thenkalai not protest this?

q2: Others from this group have written to me saying that

Desikan is thenkalai only, but got "hijkacked" by brahminical

Vaishanvas to be their sole leader about 200 years ago,

and then started all the conversions.

If you Think logically, Swami Desikan is in almost all the

temples including srirangam. Everywhere he is Vadakalai only,

so you have to accept what you see.

What is your pramana for this? that Swami Desikan in Thenkalai ?

Dear Moderator: Please approve my questions, My Q are valid, as they will get

some answers for me and for others like me, in the priocess we make some

progress towards better understanding.

Thanking you in advance

Satakopan

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Dear Ramanuja SriVaishnavAs

Adiyen's dhendam samarpitha vignapanam, adiyen wish to share a few thought what

I imbibed during my studies of Mumooskhupadi etc and discussion with other

Srivaishnava bhAghavadas,

As you see from the history of Swamy Desikan he was mostly in Kanchipuram and

not in Srirangam, the main principles (Arthas) of Srivaishnavam were greatly

dealt in Eedu VykayAnam , like for bhAgavadas

No Free Will (para thanthriyamE Swaroopam)

He is the Upaya and Upeyam ( Means and destination)

His Krupai is nirhethvam (unconditional)

If you look into the basics of all these are all from Alwars Divya Prabhandams

which are none other than Him only (yAnai thannai thAn pAdy)

So the SrivAishnava outlook were mainly with the glasses of Alwars SriSookthys

and not from Vedantic quotes and here comes the difference , the main cult of

Desika Sampradayam is based on Vedic Sri Sookthys and Sastras and that of

ThenAcharya Sampradayam were that of Alwars , here I dont want to say that

Alwars sung the same way as Veda did and these are 2 separate rungs (means) and

each cult chooses their ways and even now you can see the difference in their

Nithya Anushtanam

All these are well explained in the Eedu and this was available to few groups

(as explained by Swamy MM in the Upadesa Rathna Malai) and these were

considered to be bit abberated from the normal Bramnical thougt process of

(Samidi pAdy and sAvithri pAdy - Pl refer EEdu for the 9th Centuary ) where

every thing stick to rituals etc . Adiyen Strongly feels that Eedu would have

so much of resistance in those period and thats why Swamy kept those in the

limited zone and later on propagated by MM swamy ,

So in the essence if you strictly follow the Alwars SriSookthy and as explained

by Swamy Nambillai there were lot of gaps between the cults and since Swamy

Desikan was in Kanchipuram and was also nexy generation to Nambillai and

because of the limited availability of Eedu there happens to be some (ofcourse

major and lot as well) difference of opinion between the cults. Since Swamy

Pillai UlagArian and Azhagiya ManavalerumAl Nayanar were (almost disciple of

Nambillai himself) their thought process is miles different from the rest and

thats why those Achrayans SriSookthys were very dare real statements (from what

they learnt from Nambullai) and got into lot of local resistance (eg SVB) and

finally He made it to sail thru all the huddles and gave to Swamy MM to

propagate.

There were some historial records that Swamy Desikan came to Srirangam by 1371

AD pretty much later to all Kalabams and he got insight into the other cult etc

, I dont want to enter into that area .

PL, make sure Adiyen is not commenting anything this cult is superior (better)

than the other , these are all His Nirhethva Krupai ,

So question of Desikan as Thenkalai or Vadagalai is not in Thiruman its in

Philosophies ! Sice Adiyen is not well versed with Desikar's Rahayasya Grandham

and others I could not comment but Adiyen can strongly say that both Swamy

Pillai Lokacharyan and AMP Nayanar were pretty strong follwers of Alwar Divya

Prabhandams not pulled by regular ritualistic minds.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

Gunaseelan

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 Sadagopan Vasudevan wrote :

>Dear Friends:

> I am seeing many versions of this story.

>

>If indeed the stories by Anbil at the link is wrong, and if indeed many

>others have used the same (fromk 3000 padi and not 6000 padi)

>then why have the other scholars from Thenkalai side not

>protested this at all. (That tell me this may be true)

>

>q1: Even today why do the leaders of Thenkalai not protest this?

>

>q2: Others from this group have written to me saying that

>Desikan is thenkalai only, but got "hijkacked" by brahminical

>Vaishanvas to be their sole leader about 200 years ago,

>and then started all the conversions.

>

>If you Think logically, Swami Desikan is in almost all the

>temples including srirangam. Everywhere he is Vadakalai only,

>so you have to accept what you see.

>

>What is your pramana for this? that Swami Desikan in Thenkalai ?

>

>Dear Moderator: Please approve my questions, My Q are valid,

>as they will get some answers for me and for others like me,

>in the priocess we make some progress towards better understanding.

>

>Thanking you in advance

>Satakopan

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

Gunaseelan Venkatachary