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Dear Vimalkumar Ranganathan Swamy

Thanks for asking such great queries , our sampradayam is the one where you have

answer for each , as ours is the very much related to reality nothing

illusionary.

>Please answer the following questions with your understanding of "nirhetuka kripa":

>Can I go to a mundane masala movie filled with vulgarity and graphic violence?? Why not??

>Can I practise polygamy?? Why not??

>I loot $10,000 from work, and the same evening I chant the complete ThiruvAimozhi. Is that OK?

>I took part in the Upadesa Rathna Malai goshti today and had wonderful dinner

at a veg/non-veg restaurant the same evening. Is that OK??

>

The answer for all these are in one line " if He decides you have to do like

that , you will do the same way" even if you wish to change the sequence you

cant do that , his decision is the Sankalpa ,

Do you think all these are done by you , then His vyAbagam and Masetership

/Seshy is under question? am I clear .

There are lot of Alwar pAsurams where they say that its His krupai or sankalpa..

For Nirhethva Krupa its Alwar who clearly said that

" veRidhE Arul Seyvar sevArgatku ugandu" TVM 8-7-8 its the punch for all your

queries , the eedu vyAkyanam for this pAsuram is the class by itself .

(Krupai not done with respect to any Saranagathy !!) check what we have to do

the Saranagathy to him "kaimAru onrum illA" because all are His property , then

next comes questions like what we should do etc

We used to hear that when He showers His KrupA , JeevathAma should accept that,

"vilakAmai vendum" , nammAlwar clearly states that this is also Him who can

imbibe that "vilakAmai" inside me , pl refer to the TVM Eedu AvathArigai for

10-9 ThirupEr nagar pAsurams.

Sorry I am not knowledgeful to translate all such eerach Sol to English ,

couple of options

Pl try to drop in to Washington DC for Nov 5th MM utsavam where we can discuss

---- "ninthanakkum kuripAgil karkalAm kaviyin porul thAnE"

Else you please discuss with great scholars on this eedu vyAkyanam.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

Guna

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

Gunaseelan Venkatachary

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With all due respects, I guess you have got it wrong. Talking about

a crude example, it is akin to Osama-Bin-Laden justifying everything as Allah's

doing. Please don't mind me saying this, but after every suicide-bombing in

Palestine, the terrorists will beam the video of the would-be suicidebomber

recorded moments before the incident. Invariably, they would all say the same:

It is "AllAh's order".

 

Please try to understand that Kripa means "grace", or "blessings".

Sure, we all have his blessings; but his blessing doesn't sanction us to do

whatever nonsense we wish to. The concept of Nirhetuka Kripa comes to action

when one performs Saranagathi. For eating, sleeping, mating, defending,

watching tv, talking trash, let us not invoke his "Kripa". If I have the

blessings of my parents unconditionally, it doesn't mean that I have the right

to do any nonsense. Please don't confuse Kripa with our mundane misdoings.

 

Your answer to my questions are invalid. Why should Swami PL go

through all the pains to save the namperumAL and even leave his life in the

process?? Well, why should our AchAryAs even write any works preaching our

siddhAnthAm?? I am not talking "sAhetukA" here, I do definitely believe that it

is because of His grace that we attain mOksha, but it is utter non-sense to say

that I went to a B-grade movie because of "His grace", or Osama-Bin-Laden

bombed the twintowers because of "His grace". Don't confuse apples with

oranges.

 

Madhurakavi AzhwAr says, "nambinEn mada vArai munnellAm", then he

says, "anbAnAi adiyEN sadhirthEn indre", he says because of nammAzhwAr's kripa,

he got "saved", why should he be saved?? From whom should he be saved?? The idea

of surrendering to nammazhwAr happened due to His grace, not the idea of going

behind ladies.

 

Because of wrong notions such as these and lack of any standards,

our sampradayam is just eroding. Kindly ask your AchAryan if it is ok to do any

non-sense in the name of NirhEtuka Kripa.

 

Sure, you can not-do anything and remain stale totally dependent

on the Lord's grace, that is another issue, but eating rubbish, talking

rubbish, watching rubbish, etc and calling it "His grace" is an abomination.

 

-adiyen.GunaVenkat <gunsee (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Vimalkumar Ranganathan SwamyThanks for asking such great queries , our

sampradayam is the one where you have answer for each , as ours is the very

much related to reality nothing illusionary.>Please answer the following

questions with your understanding of "nirhetuka kripa":>Can I go to a mundane

masala movie filled with vulgarity and graphic violence?? Why not??>Can I

practise polygamy?? Why not??>I loot $10,000 from work, and the same evening I

chant the complete ThiruvAimozhi. Is that OK?>I took part in the Upadesa Rathna

Malai goshti today and had wonderful dinner at a veg/non-veg restaurant the same

evening. Is that OK??>The answer for all these are in one line " if He decides

you have to do like that , you will do the same way" even if you wish to change

the sequence you cant do that , his decision is the Sankalpa ,Do you think all

these are done by you , then His vyAbagam and

Masetership /Seshy is under question? am I clear .There are lot of Alwar

pAsurams where they say that its His krupai or sankalpa..For Nirhethva Krupa

its Alwar who clearly said that " veRidhE Arul Seyvar sevArgatku ugandu" TVM

8-7-8 its the punch for all your queries , the eedu vyAkyanam for this pAsuram

is the class by itself .(Krupai not done with respect to any Saranagathy !!)

check what we have to do the Saranagathy to him "kaimAru onrum illA" because

all are His property , then next comes questions like what we should do etcWe

used to hear that when He showers His KrupA , JeevathAma should accept that,

"vilakAmai vendum" , nammAlwar clearly states that this is also Him who can

imbibe that "vilakAmai" inside me , pl refer to the TVM Eedu AvathArigai for

10-9 ThirupEr nagar pAsurams.Sorry I am not knowledgeful to translate all such

eerach Sol to English ,couple of optionsPl try to drop in to Washington DC for

Nov 5th MM utsavam

where we can discuss ---- "ninthanakkum kuripAgil karkalAm kaviyin porul

thAnE"Else you please discuss with great scholars on this eedu vyAkyanam.Adiyen

Ramanuja DasanGunaAdiyen Ramanuja DasanGunaseelan Venkatachary

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Dear Ramanuja SriVaishnavAs

Adiyen wish to clarify few things as this topic gone by multiple twists and

bounds beyond imagination let me clarify adiyen's stance

1) Worshipping Demi Gods - Adiyen never commented that worshipping

DevathAntharam is good or bad , Adiyen fully aware of Alwar's Thirukannapuram

pAsuram and thats why I was quoting "AnanyArha Seshathvam kazhigai" , my claim

was in fact its His sankalpam to make these people to worship those Gods , and

for them to know the reality swaroopa sikshai got to happen "aduvum avanadu

innarulE" , what I was insisting was we should never demean those worships. I

fully agree that the means of this praching got to happen thru close friends,

e-learning etc

2) Adiyen feels my interpretation of His Sankalpam and His Nirhethva Krupai got

mis fed , had I made the mistake , let me apologize at bhAgavadA's Thiruvady ,

adiyen wish to state that any Good or Bad events still He is behind the screen

as AntharyAmi and controls that too. (ofcourse I did not want to entangle much

more in whats Good and Bad, as its a big thread by itself)

My reply on Nirhethva KrupA was mainly to answer your statement that He will

shower His Nirhethva Grace on Sarnagathan surrender , where I quoted that then

it can't be unconditional , so let we dont mix and match (Apples and Oranges)

3) Adiyen's comment on taking Onion /Garlic (you can add any movies and other

items) etc , kidambi Soundararajan swamy you totally took this out of sphere

and I want to refrain by adding more comments on this as its adding fuel to the

fire , when I said our poorvAcharyas never commented on eating habits , pl have

a pause and start thinking ! Sure you will do !! For them its the swaroopam

thats more important like I am repeating the same

1) pArathanthriyam

2) bhAgavada Seshathvam (this will cut all your misdoings to others)

rather than telling your daily menu cards

4) Still I cant understand where our swamy Pillai UlagArian came in to picture in my statements .

Hope I have made my thoughts clear , sure would have caused some "apacharams" at

bhAgavadA's thiruvady , adiyen's apologize for the same .

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

Gunaseelan

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 vimalkumar ranganathan wrote :

>Swamy,

> With all due respects, I guess you have got it wrong. Talking

about a crude example, it is akin to Osama-Bin-Laden justifying everything as

Allah's doing. Please don't mind me saying this, but after every

suicide-bombing in Palestine, the terrorists will beam the video of the

would-be suicidebomber recorded moments before the incident. Invariably, they

would all say the same: It is "AllAh's order".

>

> Please try to understand that Kripa means "grace", or

"blessings". Sure, we all have his blessings; but his blessing doesn't sanction

us to do whatever nonsense we wish to. The concept of Nirhetuka Kripa comes to

action when one performs Saranagathi. For eating, sleeping, mating, defending,

watching tv, talking trash, let us not invoke his "Kripa". If I have the

blessings of my parents unconditionally, it doesn't mean that I have the right

to do any nonsense. Please don't confuse Kripa with our mundane misdoings.

>

> Your answer to my questions are invalid. Why should Swami PL go

through all the pains to save the namperumAL and even leave his life in the

process?? Well, why should our AchAryAs even write any works preaching our

siddhAnthAm?? I am not talking "sAhetukA" here, I do definitely believe that it

is because of His grace that we attain mOksha, but it is utter non-sense to say

that I went to a B-grade movie because of "His grace", or Osama-Bin-Laden

bombed the twintowers because of "His grace". Don't confuse apples with

oranges.

>

> Madhurakavi AzhwAr says, "nambinEn mada vArai munnellAm", then he

says, "anbAnAi adiyEN sadhirthEn indre", he says because of nammAzhwAr's kripa,

he got "saved", why should he be saved?? From whom should he be saved?? The

idea of surrendering to nammazhwAr happened due to His grace, not the idea of

going behind ladies.

>

> Because of wrong notions such as these and lack of any standards,

our sampradayam is just eroding. Kindly ask your AchAryan if it is ok to do any

non-sense in the name of NirhEtuka Kripa.

>

> Sure, you can not-do anything and remain stale totally dependent

on the Lord's grace, that is another issue, but eating rubbish, talking

rubbish, watching rubbish, etc and calling it "His grace" is an abomination.

>

>-adiyen.

>

>GunaVenkat <gunsee (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Dear Vimalkumar Ranganathan Swamy

>

>Thanks for asking such great queries , our sampradayam is the one where you

have answer for each , as ours is the very much related to reality nothing

illusionary.

>

>

> >Please answer the following questions with your understanding of "nirhetuka

kripa":

> >Can I go to a mundane masala movie filled with vulgarity and graphic violence?? Why not??

> >Can I practise polygamy?? Why not??

> >I loot $10,000 from work, and the same evening I chant the complete

ThiruvAimozhi. Is that OK?

> >I took part in the Upadesa Rathna Malai goshti today and had wonderful dinner

at a veg/non-veg restaurant the same evening. Is that OK??

> >

>

>The answer for all these are in one line " if He decides you have to do like

that , you will do the same way" even if you wish to change the sequence you

cant do that , his decision is the Sankalpa ,

>

>Do you think all these are done by you , then His vyAbagam and Masetership

/Seshy is under question? am I clear .

>There are lot of Alwar pAsurams where they say that its His krupai or sankalpa..

>

>For Nirhethva Krupa its Alwar who clearly said that

>" veRidhE Arul Seyvar sevArgatku ugandu" TVM 8-7-8 its the punch for all your

queries , the eedu vyAkyanam for this pAsuram is the class by itself .

>(Krupai not done with respect to any Saranagathy !!) check what we have to do

the Saranagathy to him "kaimAru onrum illA" because all are His property , then

next comes questions like what we should do etc

>

>We used to hear that when He showers His KrupA , JeevathAma should accept that,

"vilakAmai vendum" , nammAlwar clearly states that this is also Him who can

imbibe that "vilakAmai" inside me , pl refer to the TVM Eedu AvathArigai for

10-9 ThirupEr nagar pAsurams.

>

>Sorry I am not knowledgeful to translate all such eerach Sol to English ,

>

>couple of options

>

>Pl try to drop in to Washington DC for Nov 5th MM utsavam where we can discuss

>---- "ninthanakkum kuripAgil karkalAm kaviyin porul thAnE"

>

>Else you please discuss with great scholars on this eedu vyAkyanam.

>

>

>Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

>Guna

>

>

>

>Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

>Gunaseelan Venkatachary

>

>

>

>azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

>

>

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