Non Srivaishnava Hyms.

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JAi Shri Krishna, Im am very clear on the vaishnava Standpoint on

worshiping Anydevtas (demigods). However what is the viewpoint on

Singing Hyms of Bhagavan that have been Composed my poets and

Acharayas outside of the Sri Vaishnava Samapradaya??????????

 

Now I will have serios problems with singing Hyms to Srimannarayan

which are of an Advaitic/mayavada tone as this contradicts the basic

Sidhanata of Ramanuja. I also see the objection of Singing hyms

which have been composed by Bogus gurus who are in reality criminals

(such as saibaba of putarpathi). However Sri shankaracharaya even

though he propounded mayavada, wrote various stotras which praise

the lord in a very personal way (such as Bhaja Govindam,

Jaganathashtakam, Krishnashtakam etc.......). Also being a

Gujerati , i enjoy the Bhajans of Meera Bai and Narsinh Mehta, and

from my basic understanding of Gujerati, there appears to be nothing

in these bhajans which contradicts The teachings of Sriramanuja.

 

 

Jai Shri Krishna!!

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PrabhupAdA's example about a bhajan being sung by a non-devotee is similar to

milk being touched by the mouth of a serpent. Ideally Speaking: 1) We should

try to sing only songs of Vaishnava devotees 2) One should sing a bhajan not for

his/her joy, but for the joy of the Lord. 3) Songs of Saint ThyAgarAja,

Oothukkadu etc, are not desirable as they either glorify God as an impersonal

entity, or have also sung on other demigods. 4) I would definitely avoid

bhajan performances by Cinema artistes (which are ironically popular). Maybe

for time-pass yeah, but not as a source of Bhakti/Inspiration. 5) Last but not

least, I saw MS Subbulakshmi performing Arthi to Saibaba on some TV channel and

I gave up. Call it fate, but she had even renditioned Gadhyatrayam which talks

about total surrender to Lord Sriman nArAyanA. I fail to understand. Again,

most of the above

is my personal observation, slightly influenced by the ideas of Swami Prabhupada

of ISKCON. Jai Shri Krishna!! -adiyEn. tesh_tel <tesh_tel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

JAi Shri Krishna, Im am very clear on the vaishnava Standpoint on worshiping

Anydevtas (demigods). However what is the viewpoint on Singing Hyms of

Bhagavan that have been Composed my poets and Acharayas outside of the Sri

Vaishnava Samapradaya?????????? Now I will have serios problems with singing

Hyms to Srimannarayan which are of an Advaitic/mayavada tone as this

contradicts the basic Sidhanata of Ramanuja. I also see the objection of

Singing hyms which have been composed by Bogus gurus who are in reality

criminals (such as saibaba of putarpathi). However Sri shankaracharaya

even though he propounded mayavada, wrote various stotras which praise the lord

in a very personal way (such as Bhaja Govindam, Jaganathashtakam,

Krishnashtakam etc.......). Also being a Gujerati , i enjoy the Bhajans of

Meera Bai and Narsinh Mehta, and from my basic understanding of Gujerati, there

appears to be nothing in these bhajans which contradicts The teachings of

Sriramanuja.Jai Shri Krishna!!

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ourselves drenched in that rasa for us to get immersed and feel him like gopi's.

Dasan/raghavanvimalkumar ranganathan <panardasan > wrote: SrI:

Dear Sri Pritesh, Jai Shri Krishna!! I guess you answered most of your

questions yourself. This is total personal ramblings from my side, kindly

excuse anything untenable: As for Bhaja gOvindam, I guess I would have a

problem as Sri Sankara talks about merging with the brahman (brahma padam tvam

harati viditva) - which is against the tenets of Srivaishnavism. I don't know

much about meera bhai bhajans, as I am from South India. For singing, I would

totally go for ISKCON Bhajans on Lord Krishna, as the mood is totally surrender

to God, for example, the Bhajan that starts with the words, "Bhaja hure

Mana.." is excellent to sing and meditate upon (although I am not sure if I

would sing songs glorifying Sri Caitanya, as he is not our AchArya). It is

important to know the meanings of the bhajans one renders, as it elevates the

mood, and it also increases bhakthi. I like Swami PrabhupAdA's example about a

bhajan being sung by a non-devotee is similar to milk being touched by the

mouth of a serpent. Ideally Speaking: 1) We should try to sing only songs of

Vaishnava devotees 2) One should sing a bhajan not for his/her joy, but for the

joy of the Lord. 3) Songs of Saint ThyAgarAja, Oothukkadu etc, are not

desirable as they either glorify God as an impersonal entity, or have also sung

on other demigods. 4) I would definitely avoid bhajan performances by Cinema

artistes (which are ironically popular). Maybe for time-pass yeah, but not as a

source of

Bhakti/Inspiration. 5) Last but not least, I saw MS Subbulakshmi performing

Arthi to Saibaba on some TV channel and I gave up. Call it fate, but she had

even renditioned Gadhyatrayam which talks about total surrender to Lord Sriman

nArAyanA. I fail to understand. Again, most of the above is my personal

observation, slightly influenced by the ideas of Swami Prabhupada of ISKCON.

Jai Shri Krishna!! -adiyEn. tesh_tel <tesh_tel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: JAi Shri

Krishna, Im am very clear on the vaishnava Standpoint on worshiping Anydevtas

(demigods). However what is the viewpoint on Singing Hyms of Bhagavan that

have been Composed my poets and Acharayas outside of the Sri Vaishnava

Samapradaya?????????? Now I will have serios problems

with singing Hyms to Srimannarayan which are of an Advaitic/mayavada tone as

this contradicts the basic Sidhanata of Ramanuja. I also see the objection of

Singing hyms which have been composed by Bogus gurus who are in reality

criminals (such as saibaba of putarpathi). However Sri shankaracharaya even

though he propounded mayavada, wrote various stotras which praise the lord in a

very personal way (such as Bhaja Govindam, Jaganathashtakam, Krishnashtakam

etc.......). Also being a Gujerati , i enjoy the Bhajans of Meera Bai and

Narsinh Mehta, and from my basic understanding of Gujerati, there appears to be

nothing in these bhajans which contradicts The teachings of Sriramanuja.Jai Shri

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Dear devotees:

please accept adiyen's humble pranam

 

I don’t understand why you will have serious problems

in chanting the sthothras of other acharyas.

 

(re: ISKCON bhajans, eventually,

ISKCON has very different teaching than in

SrIvaishNava sampradayam, if so called “adwaithic”

sthothra is not acceptable, achinthya bhedhabheda

sthothras are also not acceptable, the same can be

extended to Githa gOvindam too).

 

All sthothra works of acharyas, glorifying srimannarayanan

including those out side form sampradyam should be praptham or

acceptable to us, simply becoz of the reason that who

is the subject (prabandha vailakshaNyam and vishEshya

vailakshaNaym are important here) of those sthothras.

we cannot categorize other acharyas simply because, we

are not even qualified to go to nearest extend of

their knowledge or will be able to understand their

works, only things one has to be careful is the way of

surrender, or the way each chethanan chooses, to reach

moksham.

 

Certainly a srivaishavan, who approaches acharya for

samasrayanam, has to keep pathrivrathyam after words,

in every means. This doest mean, that, one after

performing saranagathi, can blame all other acharyas,

and talk ill about them and their sampradayam. One

thing we should understand as a "matham"

 

Sanakaracharya-ramanuja-madhwa belong to same, class,

vaishanavam. no doubt about that, As far as prasthana

thraya bhasyas are concerned, all three acharyas speak

only about Sriman narayanan as the goal. they have

differences only about the means to attain him, and

his swaroopa comapared to others. every sampradayam

will have definite reasons for their claims. and it is

the infinite magic of bhagavan, that he himself,

created so many versions of things. in fact, these

things are kept only becoz of the reason, people will

fall immediately into such debates, which acharya is

acceptable and who is not. in this respect, I cannot

control myself remembering the SrI sUkthIs of swami

PiLLAi lOkAcharya and swAmi vEdAntha dESika. in both

mumukshupadi as well as in srIvachana bhUshaNam, and

in nyAsa vimSathi, they have talked very little about

the qualifications of Acharyas. but they have talked

tons and tons about sishya lakshanam. which if we

perform a self criticism, we will see whether we are

in a position to criticize other blessed births.

 

What ever one should say, with out sankaracharya, the

shrine at badarinath, might be still a Buddhist

shrine. there won’t be a Vedic religion back to us.

but by this I did not mean that one should follow his

sampradayam, and I have no soft corner towards that,

the path shown by the Azhwars, emperumanar, pillai

lokacharyar, and manavalamamunikal, is the last and

final path, there is no doubt about that. but in the

name of sampradayam, and talking other subjects, like

how the shape of thiruman should be, can i chant other

sthothras, etc… at every step of such discussions we

forget one thing, the real goal, the real knowledge,

bhagavan sriman narayan. And that is exactly what he

is looking for also, he is keenly watching us, to see

what extent, we desire for him, or what extent we go

for other worthless debates.

 

Works like bhajagovindam, narayaneeyam, githa

gOvindam, marathi abhangs of thukaram, namadev,

thulsidas, surdas, kabir, meera bhai, all sung with

utmost devotion or “arthy” to reach the paramam padam.

a prapanna has only two things in possession,

akinchanyathwam and ananya gathithwam. with this, a

prapanna approaches an acharya, perform saranagathi.

 

All the rest the prapannan does, including grantha

kalakshepas, are for the better understanding of

jeevathma swarooopa, which will invoke an attraction

towards, bhagavadanubhava preethikaritha kainkaryam.

what is the result of all these? kainkaryam itself is

the result of doing kainkaryam...swayam prayOjanam. so

chanting sahasra nama, (sahasra namam also has atleast

3 bhasyams one adwaithic, one vishistadwaithic, and

one dwaithic) chanting other sthothras, who ever has

written them should not be a matter there. a very

simple example here

 

“SrIvaikuNTEthu parE lOkE SriyAsArdham jagathpathim

AsthE vishNurachinyAthmA bhakthai bhagavathai saha:”

this manthra, is chanted by each SrIvaishNava during

thiruvaradhanam. Where does it comes from? Vishu

puraNa? Other sathwika puraNas? No…. it comes from the

last verse of lingapuraNa.

 

Then every one will not like every sthothras, that is

up to their tastes, as far as I am concerned, I cannot

chant, too complicated hymns, with highly terse and

hard to pronounce words , becoz, the happiness in

chanting will go, while concentrating on the spelling,

and concentrating on the way of chanting, for the sake

of not committing mistakes. Let what all we do should

end up with creating happiness and preethi in perumAls

and bhagavathals mind.

 

Kindly forgive me if I hurt some ones feelings are

kindly feel free to correct me. Mistakes “nAnEthAn

ayiTuka”

 

AdiyEn SrIkAntha rAmAnuja dAsan

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