Goshti in Srirangam - Issues and observation

[Guest guest]

Dear VASu,

 

Hats off to you. It needs courage to view positive in certain observations and

also write that in public.

 

I understand Sri Bhadhri BhaTTar is catching people young and upbringing them.

Therefore, it is not as dismal as you think.

 

May Lord Blessings be always with You.

 

adiyEan rAmAnuja DAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

 

-

R.Vaasu

ramanuja

Thursday, November 24, 2005 2:18 PM

[ramanuja] Goshti in Srirangam - Issues and observation

AdiyEn Dhaasan.

 

Sri.Padhmanaabhan swami's observation with regards to ghOshti in Srirangam is

sadly true.He has touched a raw nerve, and I cant hold myself back from writing

this response.

 

What is witnessed is attributable to the following reasons.I wish I am wrong.

 

My apologies are unconditionally rendered, should what ensue hurt anybody's feelings.

 

1.Back in / till late seventies, Dhivya Prabhandham was taught in Srirangam by

Thridhandi Sriman Naaraayana jeeyar swami(varthamaana swamiyin

thiruppaattanaar) paatasaalai in west Uthra street.AdiyEn was one of the

beneficiaries, and adiyEn learnt upto 3000 paasurams.But, after the sad demise

of that Swami, the matam was moved ,presumably to Andhrapradesh(AP)and many of

the Swamis who learnt and taught Arulich cheyal there, moved to AP and other

places.All of a sudden, an institution which was solely catering to this need

of the Srivaishnava community, shut shop.This created a void.

 

2.Kuvalakudi Singamaiyyangar paatasaalai, or Ku.Ci.paatasaalai, as it was(is)

known, created numerous "adhyaabhagaas" for Arulichcheyal GhOshti, who shone by

their rendition of AruLich cheyal, not only in Srirangam but also in various

DhivyadEsams.,like in Tiruppathi,thiru Naaraayana puram.ThiruvallikkEni,

etc.Besides AruLichcheyal, all the 4 vEdhaas, and Paancharaathra Agama were

taught there.Almost all the current crop of Senior Bhattaachaaryas in Srirangam

Temple are beneficiaries.This Paatasaalai now has very few inmates (the current

trustee is Sri.” Seemi Kesavan Iyengar”- please correct me if I am wrong – the

reason may be lack of finance / supervision of funds distribution.( I myself

have seen atleast 5 persons from this Paatasaalai , in Thirunaaraayanapuram and

in another temple in Bombay in Panaswadi,(run by Gujarathi Srivaishnavaas, -near

Thakurdhwar, 5 minutes car drive from Charniroad station in Mumbai -

Thennaachaarya sampradhaayam, Paancharaathra Aagamam))

 

These Paatasaalais were run, by private contributions from, may be trusts,run by

Sri.Jeeyar, and if I am not mistaken, by KuCi trust.(I am not sure, but I

believe "yezhuththaaLarSujaatha"sri.Rangarajan belongs to this lineage).

 

3.Other individual Swamis,like “Kutti Rangarajan” (Of Thirumalai Ananthaanpillai

Thiruvamsam) Annan Swami from Annanthirumaalikai,Sri.Raama iyengar – Srirangam

vaanamaamalai matam) Sri.Bhashyam Iyengar Swami –Sri.Srinivasan /Sri.Sampath of

Thirumalai Ananthaanpillai Thiruvamsam again, are contributing in their

available time, out of their own volition.

 

4.Araiyar Swami,Vaikuntavaasi Sri.Nadhamuni swami was also a big contributory to

this system,sadly he is no more there.

 

5.The laukeeka compulsions/ invasion of computers -read internet - and

TV Sorry-als/One day cricket telecast from all over the world(Sri.Jagan swami

from Annan thirumaalikai is a great bowler and an opening batsman) are also

factors which prevent young school children from going to places like

Vaanamaamalai matam/Mudhaliyaandaan thirumaalikai etc where "sandhai"classes

take place.

 

Because of all these factors put together there is no/lack of an authentic

school to teach proper "Sandhai" in Srirangam.

 

With due respect to fellow srivaishnavas from DhEsika Sampradhaayam, there is no

Aachaarya swami to authentically teach Arulichcheyal as per “Poorvaachaarya

MuRai” .Its a Big apology, when a Arulichcheyal ghOshti of the said group comes

along during Swami.DhEsikar Purappaadu.I do not consider myself qualified to

argue about the rendition by the said group, but having myself learnt "Sandhai"

from a respected Scholar, its nothing to write home about.I atleast cannot

differentiate between Thiruvaaimozhi, Naanmukan Thiruvandhaadhi, thiruppaavai,

Nootrandhaadhi and "Sree Sthuthi" or “Bhgavath dhyaana Shobaanam , when

rendered by the said group.

 

Again, nothing has been done to point this out / correct

 

During the 4 Uthsavams for NamperumaaL, (Bhoopathi thirunaaL in the month of

Thai, TheppOrchavam in Maasi,Pankunith thirunaaL in Pankuni & Viruppan

thirunaaL in Chiththirai), but for the Swamis from AnnanThirumaaLikai, Bhattar

ThirumaaLikai,Nampillai ThirumaaLikai and other Swayamaacharya ThirumaaLikais

–mentioned in point3 above-, who count upto a maximum of 10, others are drawn

from volunteers, who have learnt from outside.The irony is, these Swamis make a

compromise with what(who) is available and thus, with the available

thennaachaarya vaishnavaas,(the contributions from Poorvasika srivaishnavaas

from ThiruveLLaRai ,especially the sishyakOdis of mElaththirumaalikai swami in

this are yeoman) the GhOshti is continued.This also encourage more persons to

learn and join the ghOshti.

 

As Sri.Vinod has observed elsewhere in the digest, we all can make these

institutions come alive again.There are many volunteers in Srirangam

available.We can make some contributions to these trusts through Sri.vElukkudi

swami or other elders.

 

The objective / purport of this mail is to evince an interest to revive the

“Paatasaalai tradition in Srirangam and at the same time to elicit a response

from interested members of this informed Group.

 

So,I humbly request / invite Padhmanabhan Swami to contribute to the

"improvement" of "AruLich cheyal" ghOshti in Srirangam by making himself

available alongwith other Thennaachaarya sampradhaayakaas atleast during the 4

Uthsavams and make it suitable for the Nammaazhwar's words.

 

"Polika! Polika".....

 

Naalaayirap poruLaam NamperumaaL ThiruvadikalE saranam.

 

NaayanthE,

 

Dhaasan,

Vaasu.

 

 

.. >>>>>>>>>>>Let us come to today's parlance. What is great in Thriuvarangam -

The nadai azhagu of Nam PerumAL , the araiyar sEvai -the quality of which is

coming down day by day. What is great in ThiruvallikkEANi -undoubtedly aruLich

cheyal anubhavam. What is great in Kanchi - the aruLich cheyal ghOshti -the

VEAdha ghOsthi and the kudai azhagu. Nobody can deny this. One can have

abimAnam but now for the sake of argument one talks of aruLIch cheyal ghOshit

in SriRangam - I am sorry - even the nithyapadi ThiruppAvai in udayavar

sannidhi is a great disappointment to one and all.Therefore, let us enjoy the

anubhavam-s which are unique to the divya-dhEsam-s .'paRRalar vEya kOl kaiyin

kONdu pArthan than thEar mun ninRAnai ...mugil vaNNan adi mEal sonna sol mAlai

Ayirath-ippathum vallAr'dAsanvanamamalai padmanabhan<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

 

 

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True. It was a great sight to see small kids from bhattar kuzham take part in

the 800th celebrations of pillai lokacharya both in kanchi and Srirangam. The

good part is bhattar kuzham doesnt concentrate on spreading the arulicheyal

alone among the kids it also installs in them the basic tenets of

Srivaishnavism.

 

Adiyen ramanuja dAsee

Sumithra Varadarajan

 

-

Padmanabhan

ramanuja

Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:35 PM

Re: [ramanuja] Goshti in Srirangam - Issues and observation

Dear VASu,

 

Hats off to you. It needs courage to view positive in certain observations and

also write that in public.

 

I understand Sri Bhadhri BhaTTar is catching people young and upbringing them.

Therefore, it is not as dismal as you think.

 

May Lord Blessings be always with You.

 

adiyEan rAmAnuja DAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

 

-

R.Vaasu

ramanuja

Thursday, November 24, 2005 2:18 PM

[ramanuja] Goshti in Srirangam - Issues and observation

AdiyEn Dhaasan.

 

Sri.Padhmanaabhan swami's observation with regards to ghOshti in Srirangam is

sadly true.He has touched a raw nerve, and I cant hold myself back from writing

this response.

 

What is witnessed is attributable to the following reasons.I wish I am wrong.

 

My apologies are unconditionally rendered, should what ensue hurt anybody's feelings.

 

1.Back in / till late seventies, Dhivya Prabhandham was taught in Srirangam by

Thridhandi Sriman Naaraayana jeeyar swami(varthamaana swamiyin

thiruppaattanaar) paatasaalai in west Uthra street.AdiyEn was one of the

beneficiaries, and adiyEn learnt upto 3000 paasurams.But, after the sad demise

of that Swami, the matam was moved ,presumably to Andhrapradesh(AP)and many of

the Swamis who learnt and taught Arulich cheyal there, moved to AP and other

places.All of a sudden, an institution which was solely catering to this need

of the Srivaishnava community, shut shop.This created a void.

 

2.Kuvalakudi Singamaiyyangar paatasaalai, or Ku.Ci.paatasaalai, as it was(is)

known, created numerous "adhyaabhagaas" for Arulichcheyal GhOshti, who shone by

their rendition of AruLich cheyal, not only in Srirangam but also in various

DhivyadEsams.,like in Tiruppathi,thiru Naaraayana puram.ThiruvallikkEni,

etc.Besides AruLichcheyal, all the 4 vEdhaas, and Paancharaathra Agama were

taught there.Almost all the current crop of Senior Bhattaachaaryas in Srirangam

Temple are beneficiaries.This Paatasaalai now has very few inmates (the current

trustee is Sri.” Seemi Kesavan Iyengar”- please correct me if I am wrong – the

reason may be lack of finance / supervision of funds distribution.( I myself

have seen atleast 5 persons from this Paatasaalai , in Thirunaaraayanapuram and

in another temple in Bombay in Panaswadi,(run by Gujarathi Srivaishnavaas, -near

Thakurdhwar, 5 minutes car drive from Charniroad station in Mumbai -

Thennaachaarya sampradhaayam, Paancharaathra Aagamam))

 

These Paatasaalais were run, by private contributions from, may be trusts,run by

Sri.Jeeyar, and if I am not mistaken, by KuCi trust.(I am not sure, but I

believe "yezhuththaaLarSujaatha"sri.Rangarajan belongs to this lineage).

 

3.Other individual Swamis,like “Kutti Rangarajan” (Of Thirumalai Ananthaanpillai

Thiruvamsam) Annan Swami from Annanthirumaalikai,Sri.Raama iyengar – Srirangam

vaanamaamalai matam) Sri.Bhashyam Iyengar Swami –Sri.Srinivasan /Sri.Sampath of

Thirumalai Ananthaanpillai Thiruvamsam again, are contributing in their

available time, out of their own volition.

 

4.Araiyar Swami,Vaikuntavaasi Sri.Nadhamuni swami was also a big contributory to

this system,sadly he is no more there.

 

5.The laukeeka compulsions/ invasion of computers -read internet - and

TV Sorry-als/One day cricket telecast from all over the world(Sri.Jagan swami

from Annan thirumaalikai is a great bowler and an opening batsman) are also

factors which prevent young school children from going to places like

Vaanamaamalai matam/Mudhaliyaandaan thirumaalikai etc where "sandhai"classes

take place.

 

Because of all these factors put together there is no/lack of an authentic

school to teach proper "Sandhai" in Srirangam.

 

With due respect to fellow srivaishnavas from DhEsika Sampradhaayam, there is no

Aachaarya swami to authentically teach Arulichcheyal as per “Poorvaachaarya

MuRai” .Its a Big apology, when a Arulichcheyal ghOshti of the said group comes

along during Swami.DhEsikar Purappaadu.I do not consider myself qualified to

argue about the rendition by the said group, but having myself learnt "Sandhai"

from a respected Scholar, its nothing to write home about.I atleast cannot

differentiate between Thiruvaaimozhi, Naanmukan Thiruvandhaadhi, thiruppaavai,

Nootrandhaadhi and "Sree Sthuthi" or “Bhgavath dhyaana Shobaanam , when

rendered by the said group.

 

Again, nothing has been done to point this out / correct

 

During the 4 Uthsavams for NamperumaaL, (Bhoopathi thirunaaL in the month of

Thai, TheppOrchavam in Maasi,Pankunith thirunaaL in Pankuni & Viruppan

thirunaaL in Chiththirai), but for the Swamis from AnnanThirumaaLikai, Bhattar

ThirumaaLikai,Nampillai ThirumaaLikai and other Swayamaacharya ThirumaaLikais

–mentioned in point3 above-, who count upto a maximum of 10, others are drawn

from volunteers, who have learnt from outside.The irony is, these Swamis make a

compromise with what(who) is available and thus, with the available

thennaachaarya vaishnavaas,(the contributions from Poorvasika srivaishnavaas

from ThiruveLLaRai ,especially the sishyakOdis of mElaththirumaalikai swami in

this are yeoman) the GhOshti is continued.This also encourage more persons to

learn and join the ghOshti.

 

As Sri.Vinod has observed elsewhere in the digest, we all can make these

institutions come alive again.There are many volunteers in Srirangam

available.We can make some contributions to these trusts through Sri.vElukkudi

swami or other elders.

 

The objective / purport of this mail is to evince an interest to revive the

“Paatasaalai tradition in Srirangam and at the same time to elicit a response

from interested members of this informed Group.

 

So,I humbly request / invite Padhmanabhan Swami to contribute to the

"improvement" of "AruLich cheyal" ghOshti in Srirangam by making himself

available alongwith other Thennaachaarya sampradhaayakaas atleast during the 4

Uthsavams and make it suitable for the Nammaazhwar's words.

 

"Polika! Polika".....

 

Naalaayirap poruLaam NamperumaaL ThiruvadikalE saranam.

 

NaayanthE,

 

Dhaasan,

Vaasu.

 

 

.. >>>>>>>>>>>Let us come to today's parlance. What is great in Thriuvarangam -

The nadai azhagu of Nam PerumAL , the araiyar sEvai -the quality of which is

coming down day by day. What is great in ThiruvallikkEANi -undoubtedly aruLich

cheyal anubhavam. What is great in Kanchi - the aruLich cheyal ghOshti -the

VEAdha ghOsthi and the kudai azhagu. Nobody can deny this. One can have

abimAnam but now for the sake of argument one talks of aruLIch cheyal ghOshit

in SriRangam - I am sorry - even the nithyapadi ThiruppAvai in udayavar

sannidhi is a great disappointment to one and all.Therefore, let us enjoy the

anubhavam-s which are unique to the divya-dhEsam-s .'paRRalar vEya kOl kaiyin

kONdu pArthan than thEar mun ninRAnai ...mugil vaNNan adi mEal sonna sol mAlai

Ayirath-ippathum vallAr'dAsanvanamamalai padmanabhan<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

 

 

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SrI:

 

Pranams:

 

Though adiyen is not qualified to say any thing about the recitation

in a sampradayic way / poorvaachaarya murai of Nalayira Divya prabhandam, takes

objection to the following statement by the writer.

 

Quote: "With due respect to fellow srivaishnavas from DhEsika Sampradhaayam,

there is no Aachaarya swami to authentically teach Arulichcheyal as per

?Poorvaachaarya MuRai? .Its a Big apology, when a Arulichcheyal ghOshti of the

said group comes along during Swami.DhEsikar Purappaadu.I do not consider myself

qualified to argue about the rendition by the said group, but having myself

learnt "Sandhai" from a respected Scholar, its nothing to write home about.I

atleast cannot differentiate between Thiruvaaimozhi, Naanmukan Thiruvandhaadhi,

thiruppaavai, Nootrandhaadhi and "Sree Sthuthi" or ?Bhgavath dhyaana Shobaanam ,

when rendered by the said group. "

 

Unquote: The writer says that he is sorry to hurt the feelings of others. It

makes one to feel that some set of people only can recite in a proper way and

not by people who follow Desika sampradayam. The writer should not have brought

in to picture about Srivaishnavas from DhEsika Sampradhaayam.

 

Adiyen apologizes for any misunderstanding

 

Dasan Srinivasan

 

>

 

 

ramanuja, "R.Vaasu" <vaasur> wrote:

>

> AdiyEn Dhaasan.

>

> Sri.Padhmanaabhan swami's observation with regards to ghOshti in Srirangam

is sadly true.He has touched a raw nerve, and I cant hold myself back from

writing this response.

>

> What is witnessed is attributable to the following reasons.I wish I am

wrong.

>

> My apologies are unconditionally rendered, should what ensue hurt anybody's

feelings.

>

> 1.Back in / till late seventies, Dhivya Prabhandham was taught in Srirangam

by Thridhandi Sriman Naaraayana jeeyar swami(varthamaana swamiyin

thiruppaattanaar) paatasaalai in west Uthra street.AdiyEn was one of the

beneficiaries, and adiyEn learnt upto 3000 paasurams.But, after the sad demise

of that Swami, the matam was moved ,presumably to Andhrapradesh(AP)and many of

the Swamis who learnt and taught Arulich cheyal there, moved to AP and other

places.All of a sudden, an institution which was solely catering to this need of

the Srivaishnava community, shut shop.This created a void.

>

> 2.Kuvalakudi Singamaiyyangar paatasaalai, or Ku.Ci.paatasaalai, as it

was(is) known, created numerous "adhyaabhagaas" for Arulichcheyal GhOshti, who

shone by their rendition of AruLich cheyal, not only in Srirangam but also in

various DhivyadEsams.,like in Tiruppathi,thiru Naaraayana puram.ThiruvallikkEni,

etc.Besides AruLichcheyal, all the 4 vEdhaas, and Paancharaathra Agama were

taught there.Almost all the current crop of Senior Bhattaachaaryas in Srirangam

Temple are beneficiaries.This Paatasaalai now has very few inmates (the current

trustee is Sri.? Seemi Kesavan Iyengar?- please correct me if I am wrong ? the

reason may be lack of finance / supervision of funds distribution.( I myself

have seen atleast 5 persons from this Paatasaalai , in Thirunaaraayanapuram and

in another temple in Bombay in Panaswadi,(run by Gujarathi Srivaishnavaas, -near

Thakurdhwar, 5 minutes car drive from Charniroad station in Mumbai -

Thennaachaarya sampradhaayam, Paancharaathra Aagamam))

>

> These Paatasaalais were run, by private contributions from, may be

trusts,run by Sri.Jeeyar, and if I am not mistaken, by KuCi trust.(I am not

sure, but I believe "yezhuththaaLarSujaatha"sri.Rangarajan belongs to this

lineage).

>

> 3.Other individual Swamis,like ?Kutti Rangarajan? (Of Thirumalai

Ananthaanpillai Thiruvamsam) Annan Swami from Annanthirumaalikai,Sri.Raama

iyengar ? Srirangam vaanamaamalai matam) Sri.Bhashyam Iyengar Swami

?Sri.Srinivasan /Sri.Sampath of Thirumalai Ananthaanpillai Thiruvamsam again,

are contributing in their available time, out of their own volition.

>

> 4.Araiyar Swami,Vaikuntavaasi Sri.Nadhamuni swami was also a big

contributory to this system,sadly he is no more there.

>

> 5.The laukeeka compulsions/ invasion of computers -read internet - and

TV Sorry-als/One day cricket telecast from all over the world(Sri.Jagan swami

from Annan thirumaalikai is a great bowler and an opening batsman) are also

factors which prevent young school children from going to places like

Vaanamaamalai matam/Mudhaliyaandaan thirumaalikai etc where "sandhai"classes

take place.

>

> Because of all these factors put together there is no/lack of an authentic

school to teach proper "Sandhai" in Srirangam.

>

> With due respect to fellow srivaishnavas from DhEsika Sampradhaayam, there

is no Aachaarya swami to authentically teach Arulichcheyal as per

?Poorvaachaarya MuRai? .Its a Big apology, when a Arulichcheyal ghOshti of the

said group comes along during Swami.DhEsikar Purappaadu.I do not consider myself

qualified to argue about the rendition by the said group, but having myself

learnt "Sandhai" from a respected Scholar, its nothing to write home about.I

atleast cannot differentiate between Thiruvaaimozhi, Naanmukan Thiruvandhaadhi,

thiruppaavai, Nootrandhaadhi and "Sree Sthuthi" or ?Bhgavath dhyaana Shobaanam ,

when rendered by the said group.

>

> Again, nothing has been done to point this out / correct.

>

> During the 4 Uthsavams for NamperumaaL, (Bhoopathi thirunaaL in the month of

Thai, TheppOrchavam in Maasi,Pankunith thirunaaL in Pankuni & Viruppan thirunaaL

in Chiththirai), but for the Swamis from AnnanThirumaaLikai, Bhattar

ThirumaaLikai,Nampillai ThirumaaLikai and other Swayamaacharya ThirumaaLikais

?mentioned in point3 above-, who count upto a maximum of 10, others are drawn

from volunteers, who have learnt from outside.The irony is, these Swamis make a

compromise with what(who) is available and thus, with the available

thennaachaarya vaishnavaas,(the contributions from Poorvasika srivaishnavaas

from ThiruveLLaRai ,especially the sishyakOdis of mElaththirumaalikai swami in

this are yeoman) the GhOshti is continued.This also encourage more persons to

learn and join the ghOshti.

>

> As Sri.Vinod has observed elsewhere in the digest, we all can make these

institutions come alive again.There are many volunteers in Srirangam

available.We can make some contributions to these trusts through Sri.vElukkudi

swami or other elders.

>

> The objective / purport of this mail is to evince an interest to revive the

?Paatasaalai tradition in Srirangam and at the same time to elicit a response

from interested members of this informed Group.

>

> So,I humbly request / invite Padhmanabhan Swami to contribute to the

"improvement" of "AruLich cheyal" ghOshti in Srirangam by making himself

available alongwith other Thennaachaarya sampradhaayakaas atleast during the 4

Uthsavams and make it suitable for the Nammaazhwar's words.

>

> "Polika! Polika".....

>

> Naalaayirap poruLaam NamperumaaL ThiruvadikalE saranam.

>

> NaayanthE,

>

> Dhaasan,

> Vaasu.

>

>

> . >>>>>>>>>>>Let us come to today's parlance. What is great in Thriuvarangam

- The nadai azhagu of Nam PerumAL , the araiyar sEvai -the quality of which is

coming down day by day. What is great in ThiruvallikkEANi -undoubtedly aruLich

cheyal anubhavam. What is great in Kanchi - the aruLich cheyal ghOshti -the

VEAdha ghOsthi and the kudai azhagu.

>

> Nobody can deny this. One can have abimAnam but now for the sake of argument

one talks of aruLIch cheyal ghOshit in SriRangam - I am sorry - even the

nithyapadi ThiruppAvai in udayavar sannidhi is a great disappointment to one and

all.

>

> Therefore, let us enjoy the anubhavam-s which are unique to the divya-dhEsam-s

..

>

> 'paRRalar vEya kOl kaiyin kONdu pArthan than thEar mun ninRAnai ...

> mugil vaNNan adi mEal sonna sol mAlai Ayirath-ippathum vallAr'

>

> dAsan

> vanamamalai padmanabhan<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

>

>

>

>

>

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