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Sriman Suresh's suggestions is very logical to overcome the problem created by

Buchi Flies in wet cloths. In most of the African countries, washing machines

are scarcely used in houses. All the expatriates as part of their remuneration

package, get one are two servants who are available for the whole day and their

job includes washing, drying and ironing. There are no community washer/dryer

available, nor any exclusive shops undertaking this task. Buchi Fly is peculiar

only to Zambia and this problem is not found in other African countries

including neighbouring countries. Petty crimes are common in African countries

and particularly the expatriates do not dare to walk freely on the roads and

even to go the the next compound they have to use a car. Notwithstanding these

excuses, as Sriman Suresh said there should be some way out if one seriously

thinks.

Dasan

Srinivasaraghavan

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Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Digest Number 1231 suresh

iyengar <kp_suresh512 > 2. Re: Sathatha Srivaishnavas

rajan s <

rajan_ramaswamy > 3. Urdhva Pundra Daharanam

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> 4. Fw: help Srihi <srihi (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> 5. ThiruppAvai

vuvamaigaL 13 Padmanabhan <aazhwar (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

> 6. Re: sri vishnu sahasra naamam rajan s

<rajan_ramaswamy > 7. Thiruppavai Pasuram 11: kaRRu kaRavai :

Vyakhyanam written by Sri U.Ve ESB Swami. Pattangi

<danp (AT) uic (DOT) edu> 8. Thiruppavai Pasuram 12: kanaiththiLam : Vyakhyanam

written by Sri U.Ve ESB Swami. Pattangi <

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Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:20:50 -0800 (PST) suresh iyengar

<kp_suresh512 >Re: Digest Number 1231Dear BhagavathasAdiyen

wanted to share my experience in keeping our

cloth washed and clean for our next day's kainkaryamto Athu Perumal.Adiyen does

not have the washing machine and drier inour apartment in Florida. So I

accumulate like my sinson a bag all the cloths for a week and take them to

the nearby community washer and drier, put them forcleaning on a friday evening.

Come back to home, takebath and ready to go and change to drier. Afterchanging

to drier will collect (on a cleaned and dried

Plastic Bucket) and pack them on a secluded place sothat every day after taking

bath, will go with wetbody and take one of them for that day's

Perumal'sKainkaryam. If the option of washing machine isavailable we don't even

have to kill those flies. This

suggestion will not work out if that is part of thecleaning water itself or the

washing machine is notavailable.Adiyen is very much sure Bhagavatha would have

thoughtall the possibilities before Ironing. But wanted to

share my experience.Ramanuja DasanSuresh--- SRINIVASA RAGHAVAN

<raghavhema > wrote:> Dear Vaishnavapperunthaghaiyeer,> The Life

Sketch of Sri Nampillai and the replies of

> Nanjeeyar to various> doubts are really clearing identical doubts which> arise

in the minds of many> of us. A Srivaishnavite had a tenure in Zambia, an>

African country. Zambia> is known for "Buchi" flies which like to rest in wet

> cloth dried in the open> and after the clothe are dried the flies still stay>

there in the clothes. If> the clothes are worn without ironing the flies>

(which are invisible to the> bare eyes) squeeze into the body and turn in to

> worms in a week and come out> of the body creating wounds. So, None in Zambia

take> the risk of wearing the> dried clothes without ironing. The

Srivaishnavite> was regularly doing the

> early morning Aaradhanam to Saalingraama Murthy. He> will use the dried>

clothes, ironed by the servant but before wearing> them, he will put them on>

the feet of the Lord reciting the Dwayam and

> appealing to the Lord to> forgive the blemishes and take all his actions as>

done only to Please Him.> This appears to be in agreement with Nanjeeyars>

clarifications about Lord's> simplicity, and the superiority of Dwayam to take

us

> very close to Lord> sriman Narayana.> Please continue this noble kainkaryam.>

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>Re: Sathatha SrivaishnavasDear BhagavathasSathatha Srivaishnavas are

the devotees of Sriman Narayana but they do not have the Yagnyopaveedam( sacred

thread) ,sathatha meaning not wearing. They do the Pushpa Kainkaryam to the Lord

at various places.

Reportedly, they played a great part in saving the utsava idol of Lord

Ranganatha at Srirangam and have even laid their

lives.AdiyenRamanujadasanSoundararajan.s_shrirama <

s_shrirama > wrote:All,Can you tell me who are called sathatha

srivaishnava? I am not awareof this classification.Regards,ShriramAzhvar

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srinivasterakanambi (AT) (DOT) co.in>Urdhva Pundra DaharanamJai Sriman

Narayana.Dear Bhagavatas,I was searching for the mantras recited while wearing

the dwadasha

urdhva pundram. I found the following 10 mantras, and the mantrascorresponding

to "Sridhara" and "Damodara" are

missing.******************************************************Chathus-chakram

namasyAmi Kesavam Kanaka Prabham

NaarAyaNam ghana-shyAmam chathus-sankham namAmyahamMaadhavam MaNibhangAbham

chinthayAmi ChathurgadhamChandra-bhAsam chathus-sArngam Govindham aham

aasrayEVishNum Chathur-halam vandhE Padhma-kinjalka-sannibham

Chatur-musalam-abjAbham SamsrayE MadhusoodhanamAgni varNam chathu: khdkam

BhAvayAmi ThrivikramamVaamanam Baala-SooryAbham chathur-vajram

vibhAvayEChathurmudhgaramabhyEmi HrusheekEsam TaDithprabhamPanchAyudham

PadhmanAbham PraNamAmyarkka-rOchisham

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complete this for me? That would be of verygreat helpto me.I Thank you in

advance.Regards,Srinivasa Rajan Ramanuja Dasan.

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Srihi <srihi (AT) vsnl (DOT) com>Fw: helpRespected BhagavathasCan anyone

send me the first days picture and verses and help me locating this book.

thanks in advanceDasanLakshminarasimhan Sridhar,----- Original Message

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helpNamaskaram,I want to have the copy of Thirupavai Day 1 please , It

is missing. as attachment we did not receive. Can you please send us. One more

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PMRe: [ramanuja] Tiruppavai Day 2Hellothis is sridhar

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ThiruppAvai vuvamaigaL 13vuyiraiyum vudalaiyum pirithAR pOlEA1.pUvilEA

vaNDu irundhAR pOlEA-mUvAyirappaDi-pOdharikk kaNNinAiThe eyes of a devotee is

being described. The eyes are like the beetles in the flower.

2. vuyiraiyum vudalaiyum pirithAR pOlEA -ARAyirappaDi -pollA arakkanThe wicked

demon is being described here. The reason why this demon is bad -there are good

demons also like vibhEshanAzvAn and prahlAdhAzvAn as they have taken birth in

this clan - is being explained .

Since, this rAkshashan separated God and pirATTi which is analogous to the life

and the body-vuyirum vudalum- he is being termed as wicked.3. mEal ezhuthittuk

koduthAR pOlEa- ARAyirappaDi- kErthimai pADi

Like giving in writing one's defeat. rAVaNan lost on to valour of Sri

Chakravarthith Thriumagan. His sister lost to His beauty. His brother lost to

His auspicious qualtiies.If even those from enemy camp get defeated thus,

should one talk of those from the devotee-s clan?

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<rajan_ramaswamy >Re: sri vishnu sahasra naamamDear Swamin

Sri Vasudevan Swami has given an elaborate explanation.To add,Iswara denotes an

attribute meang to rule, ish being the root in sanskrit.Similarly Siva, Vishnu

, and like those names are attribute based and can apply to the deities of

different beliefs.

The names Rudra and Narayana refers specifically to Shiva and Lord Vishnu

respectively.AdiyenRamanujadasanSoundararajan"vasudevan m.g." <

mgv (AT) lntecc (DOT) com> wrote:Dear Sri Vikas swamin, and sri vaishNava

perunthagaiyeer,In response to your points on Sri vishNu sahasra naamam, I wish

toadd the following:First: Sri bhattar while commenting on this naama

puNdareekaakshaaya

nama: [naamaa no 112 occurring in slokam 12] gives the meaningas "the eye of the

inhabitants of the transcendental world - meaningsri vaikuntam.As explanation to

this meaning, it is further stated "puNdareeka is

the transcendental world which is eternal. Your supreme abode ispuNdareeka which

is eternal, indestructible, and immutable. You arelike the eye to the world and

hence known as pundareeka akshaayanama. The lord is like the eye to the

residents of the eternal

vaikuntam. [Mahabharata udyoga parvam 69-6].Just to add, it is not pundari but

pundareeka, which means lotus andaksha is eye. Hence he who is lotus eyed. This

meaning is in simpleparlance.Actually sri sankara says pundareekam is heart and

one who can be

contacted and fully experienced in [captured in or seen in] the heartand hence

he is pundareekaaksha.Second: There is no naama mahEsvaraaya nama: just to

substantiate Iadd all naamaas starting with mahaa. [Perhaps you can refer my

earlier postings in oppiliappan or present postings in tiruvenkatamlist for

different combinations of naamaas occurring in Sri vishNusahasra naamam]1. Om

mahaa svanaaya nama:2. Om mahaa thapasE nama:

3. Om mahaa maayaaya nama:4. Om mahaa uthsaahaaya nama:5. Om mahaa balaaya

nama:6. Om mahaa budhDhayE nama:7. Om mahaa veeryaaya nama:8. Om mahaa sakthayE

nama:9. Om mahaa dhyudhayE nama:

10. Om mahaa adthri dhrugE nama:11. Om mahaa ishu aasaaya nama:12. Om mahaa

indhraaya nama:13. Om mahaa asanaaya nama:14. Om mahaa akshaaya nama:15. Om

mahaa Bhaagaaya nama:16. Om mahaa kOsaaya nama:

17. Om mahaa bhOgaaya nama:18. Om mahaa Dhanaaya nama:19. Om mahaa makhaaya

nama:20. Om mahaa ijyaaya:21. Om mahaa dhEvaaya nama:22. Om mahaa udhadhi

sayaaya nama:23. Om mahaa arhaaya nama:

24. Om mahaa srngAya nama:25. Om mahaa varaahaaya nama:26. Om mahaa manasE

nama:27. Om mahaa kramaaya nama:28. Om mahaa karmaNE nama:29. Om mahaa thEjaaya

nama:30. Om mahaa uragaaya nama:

31. Om mahaa krathavE nama:32. Om mahaa yajvanE nama:33. Om mahaa yajnaaya

nama:34. Om mahaa havishE nama:35. Om mahaa moorthayE nama:36. Om mahaa

hradhaya nama:37. Om mahaa garthaaya nama:

38. Om mahaa bhoothaaya nama:39. Om mahaa niDhayE nama:40. Om mahathE nama:There

is one naama `bootha mahaa eesvaraaya nama:' and just to listall eesvara

naamaas:1. Om praDhaana purusha eeswaraaya nama: -- naamaa no. 20 occurring

in slOkam 3meaning: lord of primordial matter, and purushaas - jeevaas.2. Om

eeswaraaya nama: -- naamaa no.36 occurring in slOkam 4also naamaa no. 75

occurring in slOkam 9meaning: for 36 - the supreme ruler

for 75 - the ruler - omni potent3. Om sarva eeswaraaya nama: -- naamaa no.97

occurring in slOkam 11meaning: he who reaches all - the supreme controller- all

mighty andall powerfull.4. Om sura eeswaraaya nama: -- naamaa no. 287 occurring

in slOkam 31

meaning: lord of all gods.5. Om jana eeswaraaya nama: -- naamaa no. 342

occurring in slOkam 37meaning: lord of the people - janana Dharmavaan jana:

janaanaameeswara: janEswara: - all those who are born are jana or people -

people's lord is janEswara:6. Om parama eeswaraaya nama: -- naamaa no. 378

occurring in slOkam 41meaning: the supreme ruler - one who is omni potent and

all glorious.7. Om Dhana eesvaraaya nama: -- naamaa 475 occurring in slOkam 50

meaning: who confers wealth on his devotees immediately - the lord ofwealth.8.

Om Bhootha mahaa eeswaraaya nama: -- naamaa no. 490 occurring inslOkam

52meaning: supreme lord of all beings.9. Om jyOthi: gaNa eeswaraaya nama: --

naamaa no. 625 occurring in

slOkam 66meaning: lord of hosts of ever effulgent deities - lord of luminariesin

the cosmos.10. Om soora jana eeswaraaya nama: -- naamaa no. 651 occurring

inslOkam 69meaning: ruler of all the valiant persons, commander of the brave.

11. Om sarva vaak eeswara eeswaraaya nama: -- naamaa no. 808occurring in slOkam

86meaning: the very lord of the lord of speech - best among all greatand

eloquent arguers.Generally eeswaran is lord. mahaa eeswaran [or when combined

mahEswaran - aa + ee = E as in ape] is great lord, not necessarilysiva.Just for

your information there are other naamaas, which are commonlyused while denoting

siva � siva, sthaaNu, sambu, eesa, etc, but while

interpreting these naamaas are given different meanings.DhasanVasudevan

m.g.vikas <vikas_puri_1Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:01 pmabout

sahasranamam vikas_puri_1

Dear bhaktas, I have two questions and would be grateful if someonewould answer

them. FirstI wanted to know the meaning of "pundarikAksha". Please comment

onthe two different meanings that I have read so I can better

understand the word and its context.1. The first meaning is (pundari - lotus and

aksha - eyes) one whohas eyes like lotus.2. This is the second one that I found

on

http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia//archives/feb03/msg00173.htmlThe word

"pundarika" refers to "paramapada", the eternal andimperishable abode of God in

Vaikuntah. The Lord residing

in "pundarika" is hence called "pundarikAksha".Second:In the sahasranamam there

are many instances where lord is referredto as mahesvaram, which as I have

known refers to Lord Shiva. Also

the sahasramam hasmore such names that refer to Lord Shiva. Please comment on

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7 Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:46:14 -0600 (CST) Pattangi <danp (AT) uic (DOT) edu>

Thiruppavai Pasuram 11: kaRRu kaRavai : Vyakhyanam written by Sri U.Ve

ESB Swami.sri:Humble pranam to all devotees:Pasuram 11: kaRRu kaRavaikaRRuk

kaRavaik kaNangaL pala kaRandhu *

ceRRaar thiRalazhiyac cenRu ceruc ceyyum *kuRRam onRillaadha kOvalartham

poRkodiyE *puRRaravalkul punamayilE pOdharaay *cuRRaththu thOzhimaar ellaarum

vandhu * ninmuRRam pugundhu mugilvaNNan pEr paada *

siRRaadhE pEsaadhE celvap peNdaatti * neeeRRukkuRangum poruL ElOr embaavaay.Word

for Word meaning **=========================kaRRu kaRavai cows that

are with calves (milk cows), or young cows

pala kaNangaL many herdskaRandhu milkedceRRaar

enemies'thiRal strengthazhiya that

wipes out, destroyscenRu by going

ceru ceyyum doing battlekuRRam faultonRu illaadha

without a singlekOvalar tham of the cowherdspon kodiyE

O you (who are like a) golden creeper!

puRRu nest, a mound that is a resting place for a snakearavu

snake (that is just coming out of the mound)alkul

waistpuna mayilE O you (who is like a) forest peacock!

pOdharaay Come out!cuRRaththu relatives (near and

dear)thOzhimaar girlfriendsellaarum allvandhu

are herenin your

muRRam inner courtyard, living space of a housepugundhu

have enteredmugil vaNNan the One who is colored like a dark

raincloudpEr paada singing (his divine) names

siRRaadhE without stirringpEsaadhE without

speakingcelvap peNdaatti fortunate girlnee

youeRRukku for what reason

uRangum poruL your goal of

sleeping==================================================Sri U.Ve ESB Swami's

write up Starts here======11. kaRRu kaRavai In this pasuram a gopi reputed

for her exquisite beauty

like a golden creeper (POR KODI) and born of a very noble family,is

being woken up.Her father and kinsmen are known for discharging the duties

pertaining to their cowherd caste,which entails milking an endless number

of cows.

So Andal seems to say that performance of one's duty as enjoined in

the Scriptures is calculated to bring happiness to the Lord and thereby

falls into the category of His Service. One should hence never discard

one's duty.

SETTAR TIRALAZHIYA is noteworthy.SETTAR means enemies. Who are the

enemies meant here ? Not those who despise them but those who want to harm

Sri Krishna.For a Sri Vaishnava there is no direct enemy;he will not

mind or may even welcome (as it will take away his sin) someone

trying to harm him.But he considers him his enemy who intends harm to the

Lord. SUTTATTU THOZHIMAR - the girl-companions of this gopi

- who are they? They are those who even after performing all kinds of

services to the Lord,do not expect anything in return except His Supreme

Satisfaction and Happiness. "Praharshayishyami sanatha jeevitah"-I'll make

my life

worthwhile by pleasing Him- says Sri ALAVANDAR.The stanza in NACHIYAR

TIRUMOZHI " Naaru narum pozhil".(9.6-7) is also to be remembered in this

context.=====Sri U.Ve ESB Swami's write up ends here=========

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Thiruppavai Pasuram 12: kanaiththiLam : Vyakhyanam written by Sri U.Ve

ESB Swami.sri:Humble pranam to all devotees:Pasuram 12: kanaiththiLam

kaRRerumaikanaiththiLan kaRRerumai kanRukku irangi *

ninaiththu mulai vazhiyE ninRu paal cOra *nanaiththillam cERaakkum naR celvan

thangaay *paniththalai vIzha nin vaacaR kadai paRRic *cinaththinaal

thennilangaik kOmaanaic ceRRa *manaththukku iniyaanaip paadavum nI vaay

thiRavaay *

iniththaan ezhundhiraay eedhenna pEruRakkam *anaiththillath thaarum aRindhu ElOr

empaavaay.Word for Word meaning=======================kanaiththu

calling outiLam young

kaRRu calveserumai

buffaloeskanRukku for the calvesirangi

showing motherly affectionninaitthu thinking (of

those young calves)

mulai vazhi E immediately through their udders orbreasts

('E' signifies emphasis)ninRu

continuous flow, without a breakpaal milk

cOra

flows==================================================Sri U.Ve ESB Swami's

write up Starts here======12. This gopi is the sister of a cowherd

who,unlike the

duty-conscious one in the previous verse,totally neglects the

daily duty of milking the young she- buffalo so as to be close to

Krishna and serving Him. He is called NAR SELVAN ; thereby indicating

that for

a Srivaishnava it is not the doing or neglect of Nitya Karma

which helps attaining salvation,but it is God alone who is the Means for

salvation.For example for a temple priest who is always engaged in

Antaranga

Kainkarya there may be neglect of his daily duties; this would

however not be considered as sin . MANATTUKKU INIYAN- Sri Rama,unlike

Krishna brings joy to the minds of his devotees as well as adversaries.

This is said by Andal,the very personification ofthe Love for Sri

Krishna,and hence is the richest tribute paid to Sri Rama.It might be

recalled that she,in NACHIYAR TIRUMOZHI goes to the extent of blaming

Yashoda

for bringing up Krishna to be a very bad boy.(Vembeyaaga

valarthaale).It is not such an extraordinary thing or a great wonder if

Sri Rama is loved by His devotees and subjects;but when even Ravana is

fascinated by His

valour,it makes the derivation of His name apt (Ranjaneeyasya

Vikramaih). SINATTINAAL - out of anger but without hatred.Rama had

no hatred towards Ravana.Actually He wanted Ravana as

a devotee;it was Ravana's own hatred which caused his downfall.It

was only when he tried attack Hanuman that Rama became furious and

showered arrows on Ravana (kopasya Vasameyivaan).So He is always ready

to forgive

sins against Himself but not against His devotees.=====Sri U.Ve ESB

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