Mercy of Lord krShNa - 2 (Exception/ question)

[Guest guest]

sri:

Dear Sri Balaji: Please accept adiyen's humble

pranam:

There is a very severe papam (sin) known as "Bhagavatha

Apacharam".

Sri Vaishnava acharyas have explained over and over that "Bhagavatha

Apacharam"

(Apachara against a devotee) is one that is not forgiven by the

LORD.

It is said that the Lord will forgive you of sins committed against

but

for the sins against devotees, you have to go back to the devotee

and

seek that devotee's heartfelt forgiveness.

eg: Lord has an Acharya, (who is a very dear and extremely sincere

devotee)

when anyone performs apachara agaist this devotee (or any other

devotee)

the LORD will not forgive these sins. The only person who can forgive

this

sin is the devotee against whom the apachara has been committed.

The quote from your mail "

devotion unto Me

completely burns to ashes, sins committed by My devotees."

Our Acharyas have dealt with this point, saying that if you are a

sincere

and try devotee of the LORD, and performed apachara to another devotee

(very rare)

the lord will show you the right path and show you the right path to

seek

forgiveness from the devotee himself.

[PS: Please read the GPP 6000 series or the

Notes by sri TCA Venkatesan on Ramanuja list A day in the life of our

Acharya]

At 11:45 PM 2/11/2006, Balaji A wrote:

harE

krShNa! AzhwArgaL thiruvadigaLE sharaNam!

 

Mercy

of Lord krShNa

"My dear

udDhava, just as a blazing fire turns firewood into ashes, similarly,

devotion unto Me completely burns to ashes, sins committed by My

devotees." -

shrImadhBhAgavatham,

11.14.19.

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Devotee Sri Pattangi,

 

Kindly accept my humble obiescances.

 

The quote which I wrote is not by me, but by lord krShNa Himself. It is told to

his beloved son, udDhava. It is stated in shrImadhBhAgavatham 11.14.19 (Kindly

refer the link:

http://srimadbhagavatam.com/11/14/19/en).

 

Actually what you told is very right Sri Pattangi Prabhu. BhAgavatha apachAram

is very greatest offense or sin. But the question is, when that sinful person

can realize that this is the most sinful activity? The answer is that once he

becomes a devotee of lord krShNa, he will realize that he had committed a

greatest sin. And hence lord krShNa guides that person to go and beg for

forgiveness with his old devotee.

 

Hence, lord krShNa's statement cannot have some exceptions. Its all inter-linked

and only with the mercy of lord krShNa one gets the guidance as stated in

BhagavadhgItha:

sarvasya cÄhamÌ hrÌ£di sannivisÌ£tÌ£omattahÌ£ smrÌ£tir jñÄnam apohanamÌ

cavedaiÅ› ca sarvair aham eva vedyovedÄnta-krÌ£d veda-vid eva cÄham -

BhagavadhgIthA 15.15 (http://bhagavadgitaasitis.com/15/15/en)

 

Translation: I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance,

knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas, I am to be known. Indeed, I am

the compiler of VedÄnta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.

 

So to ask for forgiveness with an offended devotee, lord krShNa gives the

knowledge. So to gain that kind of superior knowledge, one has to surrender to

lord krShNa (and to his forms), as stated in BhagavadhgIthA:

 

ye yathÄ mÄmÌ prapadyantetÄmÌs tathaiva bhajÄmy ahammama

vartmÄnuvartantemanusÌ£yÄhÌ£ pÄrtha sarvaÅ›ahÌ£ - BhagavadhgIthA 4.11 (

http://bhagavadgitaasitis.com/4/11/en)

 

Translation: As all surrender unto Me, I reward them accordingly. Everyone

follows My path in all respects, O son of prThA.

 

Hope this clears that lord krShNa himself leads even for asking forgiveness of

his devotees.

 

Thanks for raising a conversation on the divine topics. I always love my

brothers and sisters (vaiShNavAs), who raise topics on lord krShNa (and His

forms of course).

 

- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!

[Guest guest]

sri:

Dear Sri Balaji: Please accept adiyen's humble

pranam:

Your note is very well written and is to the

point.

I am adding an subtle point to your note, saying that

Bhagavatha Apacharam is NOT forgiven by the LORD himself.

Our Acharyas have dealt in detail as to how

Current life Karmas, Previous Lives karmas are dealt with by the

Lord, when the devotee undergoes his initiation. (Surrender)

These current life and previous life karmas may include

Bhagawath & Bhagawatha apacharams. (May include

hurting other devotees knowingly / un-knowingly)

All these are forgiven by the LORD.

But then after initiation, devotees still commit some

sins (knowingly and some unknowingly).

In this chapter our Acharyas explain that all the Karmas are

dealt away by the Lord, and show ways how he deals with them.

Then they talk in detail about Bhagavatha Apacharam after

intitiation.

Here is it said that the forgiveness for this grave apachara

has to come from the one to whom this apachara was committed.

[sure lord will show all his devotees the way and help then along the

way]

Our Acharyas have dealt with this point, saying that if you are a

sincere

and true devotee of the LORD, and performed an apachara to another

devotee, the lord will show you the right path to seek forgiveness from

the devotee himself.

At 11:45 PM 2/11/2006, Balaji A wrote:

harE

krShNa! AzhwArgaL thiruvadigaLE sharaNam!

 

Mercy

of Lord krShNa

"My dear

udDhava, just as a blazing fire turns firewood into ashes, similarly,

devotion unto Me completely burns to ashes, sins committed by My

devotees." -

shrImadhBhAgavatham,

11.14.19.

 

- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!

Azhvar EmberumAnAr JeeyAr ThiruvadigalE Saranam

http://www.vedics.net