[dpsanthai] Perumal and his family arrive @ Fremont Hindu Temple

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is what the shaastras intended.On 4/12/06, Karthik M Nagaraj <karcoms > wrote:

Dear Bhaktas of Srimannarayana, March 30th to April 2nd 2006 was a very busy 4

day Kumbhabhishekham and Prana Pratista of Sri Rama Durbar, Padmavati, Lord

Balaji and Sri Shivan. I have created an album that has a small subset of the

pictures in regard to Perumal and his family moorthy stapana and Puja. Check

out the album at the following link. It has about 92 pictures.

http://imageevent.com/jsny/srinivasarpadmavatiramar

Do not miss the LAST PICTURE. My 2 eyes are not enough to view the gem and

silk studded Perumal and Padmavati. Sri Govindji and Sri Venkatesh Iyengarji

have done a wonderful service in ornating Perumal and Padmavati. Sriman Govindji

is the priest at Fremont Hindu Temple. Sriman Venkatesh Iyengar is a visiting

ritvik from Bangalore who specifically visited Fremo

nt Hindu

Temple for the Kumbhabhishekham and Prana Pratista. Jai Srimannarayana Karthik

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Dear All.,

 

thanks for the link. as mani said the photos look

great

and good as said in 'Poliga, Poliga!!'.

 

But, I cant help notice the Ummachis without any

vasthrams. It is 101 of any temple or aradhanam that

there should be some vasthrams on the

perumal/thayar/acharya even before prathistai.

 

it is all about Bhavam in bhakthi. One need not be a

master of Agama sastra/vedas to know this.

 

Of about 100 or so people present on the occasion,

tragic, it occured to no one to adorn some cloth on

them regardless before or after prathishtai.

 

-Uppili

 

--- Mani Varadarajan <mani

wrote:

 

> The Lord and his retinue certainly do look majestic.

> It is, however,

> unfortunate

> that we please ourselves and think that the Lord is

> pleased by adorning Him

> with the product of the blood of thousands of

> silkworms. Somehow I doubt

> this

> is what the shaastras intended.

>

> On 4/12/06, Karthik M Nagaraj <karcoms

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaktas of Srimannarayana,

> >

> > March 30th to April 2nd 2006 was a very busy 4 day

> Kumbhabhishekham and

> > Prana Pratista of Sri Rama Durbar, Padmavati, Lord

> Balaji and Sri Shivan. I

> > have created an album that has a small subset of

> the pictures in regard to

> > Perumal and his family moorthy stapana and Puja.

> Check out the album at the

> > following link. It has about 92 pictures.

> >

> >

> http://imageevent.com/jsny/srinivasarpadmavatiramar

> >

> > Do not miss the LAST PICTURE. My 2 eyes are not

> enough to view the gem and

> > silk studded Perumal and Padmavati.

> >

> > Sri Govindji and Sri Venkatesh Iyengarji have done

> a wonderful service in

> > ornating Perumal and Padmavati. Sriman Govindji is

> the priest at Fremont

> > Hindu Temple. Sriman Venkatesh Iyengar is a

> visiting ritvik from Bangalore

> > who specifically visited Fremo nt Hindu Temple for

> the Kumbhabhishekham and

> > Prana Pratista.

> >

> > Jai Srimannarayana

> >

> > Karthik

> >

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theperumal/thayar/acharya even before prathistai.it is all about Bhavam in

bhakthi. One need not be amaster of Agama sastra/vedas to know this.Of about

100 or so people present on the occasion,tragic, it occured to no one to adorn

some cloth onthem regardless before or after prathishtai.-Uppili--- Mani

Varadarajan <mani (AT) alum (DOT) calberkeley.org>wrote:> The Lord and his retinue

certainly do look majestic.> It is, however,> unfortunate> that we please

ourselves and think that the Lord is> pleased by adorning Him> with the product

of the blood of thousands of> silkworms. Somehow I doubt> this> is what the

shaastras intended.> > On 4/12/06, Karthik M Nagaraj <karcoms >>

wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaktas of Srimannarayana,> >> > March 30th to April 2nd

2006 was a very busy 4 day>

Kumbhabhishekham and> > Prana Pratista of Sri Rama Durbar, Padmavati, Lord>

Balaji and Sri Shivan. I> > have created an album that has a small subset of>

the pictures in regard to> > Perumal and his family moorthy stapana and Puja.>

Check out the album at the> > following link. It has about 92 pictures.> >> >>

http://imageevent.com/jsny/srinivasarpadmavatiramar> >> > Do not miss the LAST

PICTURE. My 2 eyes are not> enough to view the gem and> > silk studded Perumal

and Padmavati.> >> > Sri Govindji and Sri Venkatesh Iyengarji have done> a

wonderful service in> > ornating Perumal and Padmavati. Sriman Govindji is> the

priest at Fremont> > Hindu Temple. Sriman Venkatesh Iyengar is a> visiting

ritvik from Bangalore> >

who specifically visited Fremo nt Hindu Temple for> the Kumbhabhishekham and> >

Prana Pratista.> >> > Jai Srimannarayana> >> > Karthik> >> >> >

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please ourselves and think that the Lord is pleased by adorning Himwith the

product of the blood of thousands of silkworms. Somehow I doubt this is what

the shaastras intended. On 4/12/06, Karthik M Nagaraj <karcoms >

wrote: Dear Bhaktas of Srimannarayana, March 30th to April 2nd 2006 was a

very busy 4 day Kumbhabhishekham and Prana Pratista of Sri Rama Durbar,

Padmavati, Lord Balaji and Sri Shivan. I have created an album that has a small

subset of the pictures in regard to Perumal and his family moorthy stapana and

Puja. Check out the album at the following link. It has about 92 pictures.

http://imageevent.com/jsny/srinivasarpadmavatiramar Do not miss the LAST

PICTURE. My 2 eyes are not enough to view the gem and silk studded Perumal and

Padmavati. Sri Govindji and Sri Venkatesh Iyengarji have done a wonderful

service in ornating Perumal and Padmavati. Sriman Govindji is the priest at

Fremont Hindu Temple. Sriman Venkatesh Iyengar is a visiting ritvik from

Bangalore who specifically visited Fremo nt Hindu Temple for the

Kumbhabhishekham and Prana Pratista. Jai Srimannarayana Karthik Talk is

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SrI:

 

I am glad that this topic has cropped up.

 

The speetha vasthram that the Lord is wearing is a vasthram of golden

thread, and not of silk - i have heard from learned persons.

 

The Lord also wears yellow vasthram, the peethambaram, probably the

vasthram soaked in turmeric water.

 

As far as I have enquired with the Vediks I have come across, I have

been told that specifications have been given in sastras regarding

every detail of different ceremonies and this also includes the type

of vasthram to be used. It has been invariably mentioned at many

places that the vasthram made of cotton has to be used.

 

But the custom of using or gifting silk vEshti in marriage and

upanayanam has come into vogue, perhaps to falunt the affluence and

affordability. If one digs up what the satras say about most of the

ceremonies, it will be a shocking revelation that most of what is

being bought or gifted have not been mentioned by satras and silk has

no sastric sanction.

 

For instance, in the upanayanam ceremony, where it is customary for

the maternal grand father / maternal uncle to bring / buy 2 silk

vasthrams, there is no scope to wear them during the ceremony. That

is, nowhere it is mentioned that the silk vasthram is to be used.

 

The usage of the silk vEshti during Brhamopadesam is a later

development, but it is not without a flaw. If the rules were to be

strictly followed, the 2 4-muzham Veshti is not sufficient to cover

the agni, the Brahma, the couple and the boy. But people desirous of

using these silk vEshti cover only the couple, at times the father and

son only with the Purohit peeping inside. This is not as per sastras.

 

Though there is every reason to believe that the uasge of silk entered

our community, when such vasthrams were gifted by the Royalty to

express their pleasure at the paandithyam of the Brahmins, there is

evidence to show that silk has been worn by the royalty from times of

yore, much before it was said to have entered from China.

 

I came to know from Dr H.P.Devaki, Director of Oriental Research

Centre, Mysore that the use of 'kaushEya vaasam' (the vasthram made

from pupa) had been very much in vogue during Ramayana times, as there

is frequent mention of usage of this vasthram in Valmiki Ramayana. She

also opines that kalidasa's mention of "cheenamshuka iva" (the cloth

from Cheena) is a bit misleading, making us think that silk has

entered India from China. But mention of this in Ramayana makes us

conclude that silk is very much native to India and might have gone

from here to China. It might have been a forgotten thing during the

intermittant period, until it entered again from China as mentioned by

Kalidasa.

 

Now the question of ethics.

 

The last verse of Chandoghya upanishad says in clear terms that one

desirous of moksham is allowed to do 'himsa'only as approved by

scriptures. This is interpreted by schoalrs and elders as approval

for animal sacrifice in yajnas only. Silk does not come under this

category. As far as I have heard and enquired, no text justifies or

stipulates the use of silk vasthrams. Even the silk offered in Purna

ahuthi in a homa is not silk but 'pon-aadai', golden vasthram.

 

Secondly, if we extend the rationale of apportioning the sins of

eating non-vegetarian food as found in astrology texts, namely to be

shared by the one hunts the animal, the one who sells it and the one

who eats it, to wearing of silk, the wearer too shares the sin of himsa.

 

But the mention of silk in Ramayana may perhaps indicate a cultral

habit, not necessarily approved by sastras.

 

- Jayasree saranathan

 

 

 

 

ramanuja, "Mani Varadarajan" <manimani wrote:

>

> The Lord and his retinue certainly do look majestic. It is, however,

> unfortunate

> that we please ourselves and think that the Lord is pleased by

adorning Him

> with the product of the blood of thousands of silkworms. Somehow I doubt

> this

> is what the shaastras intended.

>

> On 4/12/06, Karthik M Nagaraj <karcoms wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaktas of Srimannarayana,

> >

> > March 30th to April 2nd 2006 was a very busy 4 day

Kumbhabhishekham and

> > Prana Pratista of Sri Rama Durbar, Padmavati, Lord Balaji and Sri

Shivan. I

> > have created an album that has a small subset of the pictures in

regard to

> > Perumal and his family moorthy stapana and Puja. Check out the

album at the

> > following link. It has about 92 pictures.

> >

> > http://imageevent.com/jsny/srinivasarpadmavatiramar

> >

> > Do not miss the LAST PICTURE. My 2 eyes are not enough to view the

gem and

> > silk studded Perumal and Padmavati.

> >

> > Sri Govindji and Sri Venkatesh Iyengarji have done a wonderful

service in

> > ornating Perumal and Padmavati. Sriman Govindji is the priest at

Fremont

> > Hindu Temple. Sriman Venkatesh Iyengar is a visiting ritvik from

Bangalore

> > who specifically visited Fremo nt Hindu Temple for the

Kumbhabhishekham and

> > Prana Pratista.

> >

> > Jai Srimannarayana

> >

> > Karthik

> >

> >

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