some thoughts on Pradyumna's answers 2 my questions.

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> It happens to be that i know some great critics...who say the following: "If

> the yogis and etc were so powerful etc then the muslims and brittisch etc

> never would have been able to inflict so much pain to Bharat."

 

as i understand it, from the point of view of a Rishi, no pain has been

inflicted, nor has any pain been suffered.and Rishis in general don´t seem to

feel or have felt any need to justify their existence. i don´t know whether i

remember it correctly that Ramana Maharshi has said something like: in order

to understand a Rishi, you have to be a Rishi yourself. so no use trying to

fully understand for us ordinary people.

 

Further on the injury and non-injury ..suppose one could have severly injured

the 2 Swaminarayan temple complex terrorists before they attacked the temple

complex... one would receive bliss of saving the people who died!!...or is

this a stupid idiotic reasoning?

 

again i don´t know whether i remember it correctly that Ramana has said that

any deed which is done with attachment cannot free the acting person from

his/her bondage of karma. and the wish to do a good deed and to prevent evil

deeds, in my opinion, usually is some sort of attachment, too. so as all of

us normal people are usually attached to our thoughts and deeds, how can we

know what a Rishi would do in this case? a Rishi would probably listen to the

silence inside himself, the silence which is God´s voice/Guru´s voice, and

the very moment He would know whether in this concrete situation He should

act (and if so, how) or whether He should not act. but He would not ponder on

any theoretical cases that are not imminent at the respective moment. - We

normal people, well, the inner chatting of our own thoughts and constant

wishes usually prevents us from listening ...

 

So what about a soldier ...he cant attain moksha? Ofcourse he can..but then i

dont understand (fully) wat is meant by observance of non-injury.

 

in my opinion, as long as he identifies with his killing people he can´t. so

he has to tread either the path of Bhakti and surrender to the orders of his

Guru, or to do Karma Yoga, which again implies non-identification, or to

practise self-inquiry/Inana/Vedanta, which again leads to

non-identification/non-attachment.

 

so whatever may be your walk of life, it is all about non-identification ...

 

jgd

 

 

 

 

 

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Sri Guru Datta,

Some reactions and further thoughts on Pradyumna's latest posting. Please Enjoy

and please share thoughts...or please delete

 

Ok. i agree that it shouldn't be the question "if" the stories are real or

fantasy. Still i consider them very real.

Indeed i also agree with your discussion on time..we had already acertained that

yogis can attain those ages. While discussing ages previously someone said 2 me

that this star also orbits another greater star etc so the yugas are like winter

etc ...now in another yuga people can live until their bones permits them to. In

this Kali yuga we humans live a certain amount of hartbeats.

About the planets...in the story of Emperor Nahusha there is specific mention of

traveling between planets. So i more or less agree on that with u 2.

Indeed i was ignorant about the fact that Parsurama wasnt an ordinary person

like u and me. And i think Jamadagni was also Parsurama's Sadguru (next 2 his

father).

Explanation on origin (or motivation) 2 questions: It happens to be that i know

some great critics...who say the following: "If the yogis and etc were so

powerful etc then the muslims and brittisch etc never would have been able to

inflict so much pain to Bharat." These persons dont want to accept the puranic

message and they have some hard arguments like rituals which include buring of

woman and inderjaal stuff. They only study the veds...and dream of India in

ancient vedic-times.

I reply to these persons that the puranic message was neccesary and is very

valuable.. without it India would be like indonesia....comment please. Next 2

this it is reiteraterd in lots of texts that discussion on scriptures is very

useful..or even a must....Jai guru Datta.

Further on the injury and non-injury ..suppose one could have severly injured

the 2 Swaminarayan temple complex terrorists before they attacked the temple

complex... one would receive bliss of saving the people who died!!...or is this

a stupid idiotic reasoning?

Now in the saptodaharini(7 stories) it clearly says about the extremely high

value of non-injury. Defending people often includes injury?! So what about a

soldier ...he cant attain moksha? Ofcourse he can..but then i dont understand

(fully) wat is meant by observance of non-injury.

Tanx for your relpy and

Jai Guru Datta,

Win.

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