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This has been "baheusa's" first post to the listserv, so I caution all of you

to be wary of the possibility that he is an instigator. I checked the

archive of the e-group and I did not see any other postings.

 

I am suspicious of his email because I feel that he is trying to develop

Anti-Christian sentiments on this listserv, and as we are all aware, Swamiji

is a follower of all religions and does not distinguish between them. In the

age of religious fundamentalism that we now live in, religion is often mixed

with politics in attempt to incite a "us" vs. "them" mentality. We can all

see the effects of this in India today. People are killed in the name of

"hinduism", a complete defiance of our beliefs.

 

I just did a google search and typed in "baheusa" and saw this email address

on the "americanhinduclub". The posts on this website are

anti-muslim and in favor of "hindutva".

 

I personally do not want hateful rhetoric of any sort to be on this listserv.

I do not want to be a part of the defiling of my religion with the blood of

innocents that the banner of 'hindutva' proposes. If anyone would like more

information on the "Hindu Right", please email me, I can send you tons of

information. This was the topic of my college senior thesis.

 

Swamiji surpasses all religion and all ideology. He has followers of all

religions, indeed Jayalakshmi Mata learned her yoga practices from a wise

fakir. Please don't let an individual with this type of mindset on our

listserv and contradict everything that Swamiji stands for.

 

 

-Maunica

 

 

P.S Note: you cannot be "coverted" to Hinduism, by definition, everyone is a

"Hindu"; by its very essence Hinduism is a religion of nature that does not

distinguish among individuals. The American Hindu Club calls for "Hindu

Converts", which in reality is a degradation and a misunderstanding of the

true nature of our religion. Hinduism is inherent in our souls, and it is not

a "club" that you join, there isnt a ritual that suddenly makes you "Hindu".

It is a process of enlightenment, and learning about how all things in nature

are connected, thus should live in harmony. This was the message of Gandhi.

The person who killed Gandhi was a Hindu fundamentalist (NOT a Muslim)!

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/17/02 7:14:33 AM Central Standard Time,

JAIGURUDATTA writes:

 

 

> British Pastor's Six Steps for Converting Hindus to Christianity

> Source: http://www.cmf.org.uk/nucleus//nucjul00/hindu.htm

>

> UNITED KINGDOM: In this article, Juge Ram, a Christian convert from

> Hinduism and Pastor of Emmanuel Church in Birmingham, England,

> answers questions on Hinduism and explains how to reach Hindus with

> the Bible. After giving a detailed background of Hindu beliefs and

> culture, he suggests a few methods which Christians can use to reach

> out to Hindus.

>

> Firstly, Hindus arriving from India generally feel isolated or have

> difficulties knowing how things operate. Christians can use these

> opportunities to offer them assistance, establish friendships and win

> their trust. Christians can befriend and help the Hindu wife who is

> often at home all day alone with the children and may need friendship

> and assistance adjusting to a new culture. Christians should help

> them as much as possible and try to get into their homes. It may

> be a long and slow process, but it is one of the most successful ways

> of bringing Hindus to Christianity.

>

> Secondly, the local churches need to demonstrate a concern for the

> Hindus in their communities. If there is a large Asian

> community and many members cannot speak English, they need to hear the

> religious teachings in their own language. This can be done by having

> Christian literature in appropriate languages. The church may consider

> including books in Asian languages in Christian bookshops or

> bookstalls at local events. From time to time churches can have a

> bilingual service or an Asian evening. In addition, a bilingual

> sermon or a recording of the Bible in their own language can be a

> powerful tool for communicating with non-English speaking Hindus.

>

> Thirdly, Christians must be aware of cultural differences when

> approaching Hindus or risk offending them. For example, a woman who

> wants to be a witness to her Asian friends should not wear

> miniskirts or other revealing clothing. Men should approach men only.

>

>

> Fourthly, Christians should not attack Hinduism or risk alienating the

> Hindus. Rather, it is suggested that Christians ask questions about

> their religion and let Hindus see the "folly" of it themselves.

>

> Fifthly, Hindus are very polite and may give the impression that they

> are listening and interested. Christians must not be fooled by this

> and think that because they agree with them they are genuinely

> interested. Many Hindus will say they believe in Christ and they may

> even speak of repentance, but they will continue to worship Hindu

> Gods. Therefore, Christians must make it clear to Hindus that they

> need to make a clean break from Hinduism.

>

>

> Lastly, Christians should use the Bible when witnessing. They can

> read the Bible with Hindus and point out how relevant it is to their

> lives. Christians must treat the Bible with respect and never put it

> on the floor. Hindus can be given copies of the New Testament in

> their own language if they cannot read English. Christians should

> explain biblical terms through a simple biblical framework and use

> biblical or other illustrations to assist them inconveying their

> message. The pastor concludes by saying that Hindus are

> lost, spiritually blind and are without hope in this world and in the

> next. He says that only Christ can release them and exhorts

> Christians to share the gospel with them with great humility and

> great confidence.

>

> The number of practicing Christians in England drops at a rate of

> 1,000 per day.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Maunica, thank you for your information.

i can only say that Bahe sent me an email thanking me for the information i

sent to the list and saying he didn´t mean to insult me or my belief. he

probably sent me this mail because i didn´t attack him. he said he had been

insulted by many christians. - in my opinion, even instigating situations are

nothing but Guru´s Leela.

Jai Guru Datta

 

 

> This has been "baheusa's" first post to the listserv, so I caution all of

> you

> to be wary of the possibility that he is an instigator. I checked the

> archive of the e-group and I did not see any other postings.

>

> I am suspicious of his email because I feel that he is trying to develop

> Anti-Christian sentiments on this listserv, and as we are all aware,

> Swamiji

> is a follower of all religions and does not distinguish between them. In

> the

> age of religious fundamentalism that we now live in, religion is often

> mixed

> with politics in attempt to incite a "us" vs. "them" mentality. We can all

> see the effects of this in India today. People are killed in the name of

> "hinduism", a complete defiance of our beliefs.

>

> I just did a google search and typed in "baheusa" and saw this email

> address

> on the "americanhinduclub". The posts on this website are

> anti-muslim and in favor of "hindutva".

>

> I personally do not want hateful rhetoric of any sort to be on this

> listserv.

> I do not want to be a part of the defiling of my religion with the blood of

>

> innocents that the banner of 'hindutva' proposes. If anyone would like more

>

> information on the "Hindu Right", please email me, I can send you tons of

> information. This was the topic of my college senior thesis.

>

> Swamiji surpasses all religion and all ideology. He has followers of all

> religions, indeed Jayalakshmi Mata learned her yoga practices from a wise

> fakir. Please don't let an individual with this type of mindset on our

> listserv and contradict everything that Swamiji stands for.

>

>

> -Maunica

>

>

> P.S Note: you cannot be "coverted" to Hinduism, by definition, everyone is

> a

> "Hindu"; by its very essence Hinduism is a religion of nature that does not

>

> distinguish among individuals. The American Hindu Club calls for "Hindu

> Converts", which in reality is a degradation and a misunderstanding of the

> true nature of our religion. Hinduism is inherent in our souls, and it is

> not

> a "club" that you join, there isnt a ritual that suddenly makes you

> "Hindu".

> It is a process of enlightenment, and learning about how all things in

> nature

> are connected, thus should live in harmony. This was the message of Gandhi.

>

> The person who killed Gandhi was a Hindu fundamentalist (NOT a Muslim)!

>

>

 

 

 

 

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to me it is very beautiful that one cannot be converted to Hinduism, but that

by definition, everyone is a Hindu. -

 

as for Bahe, i read his mail to me once more, Bahe seems to be a Hindu, not

a Christian, (although these are only outward labels in a way) but to me he

doesn´t seem to be aggressive, so he needn´t be a Fundamentalist , his

motivation seems to be to prevent others from being "converted" into

anything.

however, i don´t consider it my task to investigate as for his motivation

and belief.

there´s a Sookti on sadguruseva.org (Sookti Sangraha) which says: "Mind your

own business", as far as i remember.

 

maybe we should have asked Bahe in the beginning why he had sent that message

to us, what he meant to say by posting it to the list. thus, maybe some

misunderstanding or other could have been prevented. on the other hand his

mail started an interesting discussion. so what a beautiful test Sri Swamiji

has put us to!

 

wishing Bahe Datta´s Grace,

 

JGD

Carolin

 

 

> This has been "baheusa's" first post to the listserv, so I caution all of

> you

> to be wary of the possibility that he is an instigator. I checked the

> archive of the e-group and I did not see any other postings.

>

> I am suspicious of his email because I feel that he is trying to develop

> Anti-Christian sentiments on this listserv, and as we are all aware,

> Swamiji

> is a follower of all religions and does not distinguish between them. In

> the

> age of religious fundamentalism that we now live in, religion is often

> mixed

> with politics in attempt to incite a "us" vs. "them" mentality. We can all

> see the effects of this in India today. People are killed in the name of

> "hinduism", a complete defiance of our beliefs.

>

> I just did a google search and typed in "baheusa" and saw this email

> address

> on the "americanhinduclub". The posts on this website are

> anti-muslim and in favor of "hindutva".

>

> I personally do not want hateful rhetoric of any sort to be on this

> listserv.

> I do not want to be a part of the defiling of my religion with the blood of

>

> innocents that the banner of 'hindutva' proposes. If anyone would like more

>

> information on the "Hindu Right", please email me, I can send you tons of

> information. This was the topic of my college senior thesis.

>

> Swamiji surpasses all religion and all ideology. He has followers of all

> religions, indeed Jayalakshmi Mata learned her yoga practices from a wise

> fakir. Please don't let an individual with this type of mindset on our

> listserv and contradict everything that Swamiji stands for.

>

>

> -Maunica

>

>

> P.S Note: you cannot be "coverted" to Hinduism, by definition, everyone is

> a

> "Hindu"; by its very essence Hinduism is a religion of nature that does not

>

> distinguish among individuals. The American Hindu Club calls for "Hindu

> Converts", which in reality is a degradation and a misunderstanding of the

> true nature of our religion. Hinduism is inherent in our souls, and it is

> not

> a "club" that you join, there isnt a ritual that suddenly makes you

> "Hindu".

> It is a process of enlightenment, and learning about how all things in

> nature

> are connected, thus should live in harmony. This was the message of Gandhi.

>

> The person who killed Gandhi was a Hindu fundamentalist (NOT a Muslim)!

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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the name bahe even reminds me of the bahá í movement (www.bahai.org)

 

it is not that i am a member of the bahai s,

but i find it interesting that in their belief all religions are one and the

same, just as it is in Vedanta, and just as our beloved Swamiji teaches

("abandon the delusion of difference" see animated writing on

dattapeetham.com)

 

JGD

 

 

 

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MONICA,

 

Thank you very much for your intelligent and devoted comments.

I applaud you for addressing this issue and your eloquent way of expressing

your insightful perceptions.

I was disturbed by the anti-Christian sentiment from the original post by

"baheusa" and those that followed.

Sri Swamiji has repeatedly stated that followers of all religions are

welcome.

 

Karen

 

On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 11:33 PM, Maunica wrote:

 

>

> This has been "baheusa's" first post to the listserv, so I caution all of

> you

> to be wary of the possibility that he is an instigator. I checked the

> archive of the e-group and I did not see any other postings.

>

> I am suspicious of his email because I feel that he is trying to develop

> Anti-Christian sentiments on this listserv, and as we are all aware,

> Swamiji

> is a follower of all religions and does not distinguish between them. In

> the

> age of religious fundamentalism that we now live in, religion is often

> mixed

> with politics in attempt to incite a "us" vs. "them" mentality. We can all

> see the effects of this in India today. People are killed in the name of

> "hinduism", a complete defiance of our beliefs.

>

> I just did a google search and typed in "baheusa" and saw this email

> address

> on the "americanhinduclub". The posts on this website are

> anti-muslim and in favor of "hindutva".

>

> I personally do not want hateful rhetoric of any sort to be on this

> listserv.

> I do not want to be a part of the defiling of my religion with the blood

> of

> innocents that the banner of 'hindutva' proposes. If anyone would like more

> information on the "Hindu Right", please email me, I can send you tons of

> information. This was the topic of my college senior thesis.

>

> Swamiji surpasses all religion and all ideology. He has followers of all

> religions, indeed Jayalakshmi Mata learned her yoga practices from a wise

> fakir. Please don't let an individual with this type of mindset on our

> listserv and contradict everything that Swamiji stands for.

>

>

> -Maunica

>

>

> P.S Note: you cannot be "coverted" to Hinduism, by definition, everyone is

> a

> "Hindu"; by its very essence Hinduism is a religion of nature that does not

> distinguish among individuals. The American Hindu Club calls for "Hindu

> Converts", which in reality is a degradation and a misunderstanding of the

> true nature of our religion. Hinduism is inherent in our souls, and it is

> not

> a "club" that you join, there isnt a ritual that suddenly makes you "Hindu"

> .

> It is a process of enlightenment, and learning about how all things in

> nature

> are connected, thus should live in harmony. This was the message of Gandhi.

> The person who killed Gandhi was a Hindu fundamentalist (NOT a Muslim)!

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 12/17/02 7:14:33 AM Central Standard Time,

> JAIGURUDATTA writes:

>

>

>> British Pastor's Six Steps for Converting Hindus to Christianity

>> Source: http://www.cmf.org.uk/nucleus//nucjul00/hindu.htm

>>

>> UNITED KINGDOM: In this article, Juge Ram, a Christian convert from

>> Hinduism and Pastor of Emmanuel Church in Birmingham, England,

>> answers questions on Hinduism and explains how to reach Hindus with

>> the Bible. After giving a detailed background of Hindu beliefs and

>> culture, he suggests a few methods which Christians can use to reach

>> out to Hindus.

>>

>> Firstly, Hindus arriving from India generally feel isolated or have

>> difficulties knowing how things operate. Christians can use these

>> opportunities to offer them assistance, establish friendships and win

>> their trust. Christians can befriend and help the Hindu wife who is

>> often at home all day alone with the children and may need friendship

>> and assistance adjusting to a new culture. Christians should help

>> them as much as possible and try to get into their homes. It may

>> be a long and slow process, but it is one of the most successful ways

>> of bringing Hindus to Christianity.

>>

>> Secondly, the local churches need to demonstrate a concern for the

>> Hindus in their communities. If there is a large Asian

>> community and many members cannot speak English, they need to hear the

>> religious teachings in their own language. This can be done by having

>> Christian literature in appropriate languages. The church may consider

>> including books in Asian languages in Christian bookshops or

>> bookstalls at local events. From time to time churches can have a

>> bilingual service or an Asian evening. In addition, a bilingual

>> sermon or a recording of the Bible in their own language can be a

>> powerful tool for communicating with non-English speaking Hindus.

>>

>> Thirdly, Christians must be aware of cultural differences when

>> approaching Hindus or risk offending them. For example, a woman who

>> wants to be a witness to her Asian friends should not wear

>> miniskirts or other revealing clothing. Men should approach men only.

>>

>>

>> Fourthly, Christians should not attack Hinduism or risk alienating the

>> Hindus. Rather, it is suggested that Christians ask questions about

>> their religion and let Hindus see the "folly" of it themselves.

>>

>> Fifthly, Hindus are very polite and may give the impression that they

>> are listening and interested. Christians must not be fooled by this

>> and think that because they agree with them they are genuinely

>> interested. Many Hindus will say they believe in Christ and they may

>> even speak of repentance, but they will continue to worship Hindu

>> Gods. Therefore, Christians must make it clear to Hindus that they

>> need to make a clean break from Hinduism.

>>

>>

>> Lastly, Christians should use the Bible when witnessing. They can

>> read the Bible with Hindus and point out how relevant it is to their

>> lives. Christians must treat the Bible with respect and never put it

>> on the floor. Hindus can be given copies of the New Testament in

>> their own language if they cannot read English. Christians should

>> explain biblical terms through a simple biblical framework and use

>> biblical or other illustrations to assist them inconveying their

>> message. The pastor concludes by saying that Hindus are

>> lost, spiritually blind and are without hope in this world and in the

>> next. He says that only Christ can release them and exhorts

>> Christians to share the gospel with them with great humility and

>> great confidence.

>>

>> The number of practicing Christians in England drops at a rate of

>> 1,000 per day.

>>

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All,

 

Unfortunately there are so many deplorable problems facing the human soceity,

and conversion of the masses is one of them. It is deplorable because they do

not address the spiritual quest of individuals, but cater to the needs from

economical level. This amounts to winning over someone by pure deceit.

 

Sigmund Freud said that religion is the hyesteria of the masses. Sometimes I

think that his statement is true, when people do not grow spiritually by

religion, but use it for reasons like this.

 

When people make a choice on their personal experience, it is no longer

considered to be conversion. It is using the freedom of choice, and it is to be

welcomed. Not every path can address all the needs of individuals in the

soceity, and hence we have so many of them. We do need to respect each one of

them, in the light of their merits, and the solace it provides to its followers.

 

Hindu saints including Swamiji, ask people to follow their faith mostly. Just

because someone takes Swamiji as their Guru or guide, it does not mean that

person has changed his or her religion. He or She is using an extra vehicle to

reach the goal.

 

I think that people should put this topic behind them, and discuss other

important things for which this forum was started. There are many other places

in the internet, where these socio-political problems can be discussed. Whoever

wants to discuss these topics, please stop using this forum. It increases the

noise in this forum, and we are digressing from our purpose.

 

With Lord Datta's grace, let peace belong to everyone.

 

Jaya Guru Datta.

 

Ravi

 

> MONICA,

>

> Thank you very much for your intelligent and devoted comments.

> I applaud you for addressing this issue and your eloquent way of expressing

> your insightful perceptions.

> I was disturbed by the anti-Christian sentiment from the original post by

> "baheusa" and those that followed.

> Sri Swamiji has repeatedly stated that followers of all religions are

> welcome.

>

> Karen

>

> On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 11:33 PM, Maunica wrote:

>

> >

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Ravi, and "All"

 

Beautifully said.

Thank you.

 

Jai Guru Datta

Sri Maata

Karen

 

 

On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 10:49 AM, ravi.venkatraman

wrote:

 

> All,

>

> Unfortunately there are so many deplorable problems facing the human

> soceity,

> and conversion of the masses is one of them. It is deplorable because they

> do

> not address the spiritual quest of individuals, but cater to the needs from

> economical level. This amounts to winning over someone by pure deceit.

>

> Sigmund Freud said that religion is the hyesteria of the masses. Sometimes

> I

> think that his statement is true, when people do not grow spiritually by

> religion, but use it for reasons like this.

>

> When people make a choice on their personal experience, it is no longer

> considered to be conversion. It is using the freedom of choice, and it is

> to be

> welcomed. Not every path can address all the needs of individuals in the

> soceity, and hence we have so many of them. We do need to respect each one

> of

> them, in the light of their merits, and the solace it provides to its

> followers.

>

> Hindu saints including Swamiji, ask people to follow their faith mostly.

> Just

> because someone takes Swamiji as their Guru or guide, it does not mean that

> person has changed his or her religion. He or She is using an extra

> vehicle to

> reach the goal.

>

> I think that people should put this topic behind them, and discuss other

> important things for which this forum was started. There are many other

> places

> in the internet, where these socio-political problems can be discussed.

> Whoever

> wants to discuss these topics, please stop using this forum. It increases

> the

> noise in this forum, and we are digressing from our purpose.

>

> With Lord Datta's grace, let peace belong to everyone.

>

> Jaya Guru Datta.

>

> Ravi

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Mind Your Business

It is within the nature of a common man to think of others, to talk about

others and to interfere into the affairs of others. Instead of looking at

himself, he is agitated and bothered about others. By so doing, he is

unknowingly causing great harm to himself. He is forgetting that the object

of his concentration should be the ‘Self’ within and not the outside objects

and circumstances.

 

In the spiritual path, the fundamental lesson is ‘Mind your own business’.

One should not try to change others; rather, he should change himself. One

should learn to mind one’s own business and stop getting agitated by others.

Just as the Higher Power takes control of you, the same Power takes care of

others as well. If at all, one has to be concerned with others, the concern

should be that of unselfish co-operation, help and love.

 

 

 

- Sri Swamiji

Jai Guru Datta!

 

 

(from: sadguruseva.org, Sookti Sangraha)

 

 

 

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I think it's fun to speculate that there's no room for prejudice. For

example IF any individual East Indians were to look down on USA caucasions

as being somehow "less spiritual" than themselves, that it might actually be

the case that the poor fellow prejudiced against might indeed have more

lived more real lifetimes in India than the one doing the poo-pooing. Isn't

eternity adorable? It allows us to put things into perspective. Friend

Paul.

 

-

"Karen" <karen93942

"jai guru datta" <jaigurudatta>

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:19 PM

Re: Baheusa- A Hindu Fundamentalist

 

 

> MONICA,

>

> Thank you very much for your intelligent and devoted comments.

> I applaud you for addressing this issue and your eloquent way of

expressing

> your insightful perceptions.

> I was disturbed by the anti-Christian sentiment from the original post by

> "baheusa" and those that followed.

> Sri Swamiji has repeatedly stated that followers of all religions are

> welcome.

>

> Karen

>

> On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 11:33 PM, Maunica wrote:

>

> >

> > This has been "baheusa's" first post to the listserv, so I caution all

of

> > you

> > to be wary of the possibility that he is an instigator. I checked the

> > archive of the e-group and I did not see any other postings.

> >

> > I am suspicious of his email because I feel that he is trying to develop

> > Anti-Christian sentiments on this listserv, and as we are all aware,

> > Swamiji

> > is a follower of all religions and does not distinguish between them. In

> > the

> > age of religious fundamentalism that we now live in, religion is often

> > mixed

> > with politics in attempt to incite a "us" vs. "them" mentality. We can

all

> > see the effects of this in India today. People are killed in the name of

> > "hinduism", a complete defiance of our beliefs.

> >

> > I just did a google search and typed in "baheusa" and saw this email

> > address

> > on the "americanhinduclub". The posts on this website are

> > anti-muslim and in favor of "hindutva".

> >

> > I personally do not want hateful rhetoric of any sort to be on this

> > listserv.

> > I do not want to be a part of the defiling of my religion with the blood

> > of

> > innocents that the banner of 'hindutva' proposes. If anyone would like

more

> > information on the "Hindu Right", please email me, I can send you tons

of

> > information. This was the topic of my college senior thesis.

> >

> > Swamiji surpasses all religion and all ideology. He has followers of all

> > religions, indeed Jayalakshmi Mata learned her yoga practices from a

wise

> > fakir. Please don't let an individual with this type of mindset on our

> > listserv and contradict everything that Swamiji stands for.

> >

> >

> > -Maunica

> >

> >

> > P.S Note: you cannot be "coverted" to Hinduism, by definition, everyone

is

> > a

> > "Hindu"; by its very essence Hinduism is a religion of nature that does

not

> > distinguish among individuals. The American Hindu Club calls for "Hindu

> > Converts", which in reality is a degradation and a misunderstanding of

the

> > true nature of our religion. Hinduism is inherent in our souls, and it

is

> > not

> > a "club" that you join, there isnt a ritual that suddenly makes you

"Hindu"

> > .

> > It is a process of enlightenment, and learning about how all things in

> > nature

> > are connected, thus should live in harmony. This was the message of

Gandhi.

> > The person who killed Gandhi was a Hindu fundamentalist (NOT a Muslim)!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 12/17/02 7:14:33 AM Central Standard Time,

> > JAIGURUDATTA writes:

> >

> >

> >> British Pastor's Six Steps for Converting Hindus to Christianity

> >> Source: http://www.cmf.org.uk/nucleus//nucjul00/hindu.htm

> >>

> >> UNITED KINGDOM: In this article, Juge Ram, a Christian convert from

> >> Hinduism and Pastor of Emmanuel Church in Birmingham, England,

> >> answers questions on Hinduism and explains how to reach Hindus with

> >> the Bible. After giving a detailed background of Hindu beliefs and

> >> culture, he suggests a few methods which Christians can use to reach

> >> out to Hindus.

> >>

> >> Firstly, Hindus arriving from India generally feel isolated or have

> >> difficulties knowing how things operate. Christians can use these

> >> opportunities to offer them assistance, establish friendships and win

> >> their trust. Christians can befriend and help the Hindu wife who is

> >> often at home all day alone with the children and may need friendship

> >> and assistance adjusting to a new culture. Christians should help

> >> them as much as possible and try to get into their homes. It may

> >> be a long and slow process, but it is one of the most successful ways

> >> of bringing Hindus to Christianity.

> >>

> >> Secondly, the local churches need to demonstrate a concern for the

> >> Hindus in their communities. If there is a large Asian

> >> community and many members cannot speak English, they need to hear the

> >> religious teachings in their own language. This can be done by having

> >> Christian literature in appropriate languages. The church may consider

> >> including books in Asian languages in Christian bookshops or

> >> bookstalls at local events. From time to time churches can have a

> >> bilingual service or an Asian evening. In addition, a bilingual

> >> sermon or a recording of the Bible in their own language can be a

> >> powerful tool for communicating with non-English speaking Hindus.

> >>

> >> Thirdly, Christians must be aware of cultural differences when

> >> approaching Hindus or risk offending them. For example, a woman who

> >> wants to be a witness to her Asian friends should not wear

> >> miniskirts or other revealing clothing. Men should approach men only.

> >>

> >>

> >> Fourthly, Christians should not attack Hinduism or risk alienating the

> >> Hindus. Rather, it is suggested that Christians ask questions about

> >> their religion and let Hindus see the "folly" of it themselves.

> >>

> >> Fifthly, Hindus are very polite and may give the impression that they

> >> are listening and interested. Christians must not be fooled by this

> >> and think that because they agree with them they are genuinely

> >> interested. Many Hindus will say they believe in Christ and they may

> >> even speak of repentance, but they will continue to worship Hindu

> >> Gods. Therefore, Christians must make it clear to Hindus that they

> >> need to make a clean break from Hinduism.

> >>

> >>

> >> Lastly, Christians should use the Bible when witnessing. They can

> >> read the Bible with Hindus and point out how relevant it is to their

> >> lives. Christians must treat the Bible with respect and never put it

> >> on the floor. Hindus can be given copies of the New Testament in

> >> their own language if they cannot read English. Christians should

> >> explain biblical terms through a simple biblical framework and use

> >> biblical or other illustrations to assist them inconveying their

> >> message. The pastor concludes by saying that Hindus are

> >> lost, spiritually blind and are without hope in this world and in the

> >> next. He says that only Christ can release them and exhorts

> >> Christians to share the gospel with them with great humility and

> >> great confidence.

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> >> The number of practicing Christians in England drops at a rate of

> >> 1,000 per day.

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This is Paul. To those who have a need to know, my heart feels ready to

cooperate, help and love and to be guided by Sri Swamiji. Who addresses this

to me? I already penned an answer and a questing to a Karen for wonderful

knowledge I would like to know about Sri Swamiji and others, for I seek

understanding of all sorts. Did this note come to me directly from Sri

Swamiji as a rebuke from him to me, or are you just quoting something he

stated.? Who are you to speak to me thusly? If Sri Swamiji is unhappy

about me, I'd like to hear from him directly. My phone number is 812

333-6065, USA. Since I often ask for him to speak to me telepathically,

and I wait patiently, it would be great joy to speak directly. I will

accept any direction from him if it's validly his concern. As soon as I

open to the Internet next, my last messages I wrote will be automatically

sent including the one to Karen, whoever she is. 'Sorry if that's

innopportune. I do not perceive that I am agitated by any other, nor do I

seek to change anyone except to spreading more love among us. Within Our

Love, Paul A. Snyder

 

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Re: Baheusa- A Hindu Fundamentalist

 

 

> Mind Your Business

> It is within the nature of a common man to think of others, to talk about

> others and to interfere into the affairs of others. Instead of looking at

> himself, he is agitated and bothered about others. By so doing, he is

> unknowingly causing great harm to himself. He is forgetting that the

object

> of his concentration should be the ‘Self’ within and not the outside

objects

> and circumstances.

>

> In the spiritual path, the fundamental lesson is ‘Mind your own business’.

> One should not try to change others; rather, he should change himself. One

> should learn to mind one’s own business and stop getting agitated by other

s.

> Just as the Higher Power takes control of you, the same Power takes care

of

> others as well. If at all, one has to be concerned with others, the

concern

> should be that of unselfish co-operation, help and love.

>

>

>

> - Sri Swamiji

> Jai Guru Datta!

>

>

> (from: sadguruseva.org, Sookti Sangraha)

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JaiJai Guru Datta

 

Everyone has been very involved in this email, about christian conversion of

hindus, that was sent to the group.

It reminds me of a centipede that had gotten confused while counting his legs.

If the email is not what we would like to about read about then lets just delete

it and stop getting caught up in the maya and the illusion and concentrate on

the Brahman on our path to the Supreme.

Jai Guru Datta

Paul Snyder <psnyder wrote:This is Paul. To those who have

a need to know, my heart feels ready to

cooperate, help and love and to be guided by Sri Swamiji. Who addresses this

to me? I already penned an answer and a questing to a Karen for wonderful

knowledge I would like to know about Sri Swamiji and others, for I seek

understanding of all sorts. Did this note come to me directly from Sri

Swamiji as a rebuke from him to me, or are you just quoting something he

stated.? Who are you to speak to me thusly? If Sri Swamiji is unhappy

about me, I'd like to hear from him directly. My phone number is 812

333-6065, USA. Since I often ask for him to speak to me telepathically,

and I wait patiently, it would be great joy to speak directly. I will

accept any direction from him if it's validly his concern. As soon as I

open to the Internet next, my last messages I wrote will be automatically

sent including the one to Karen, whoever she is. 'Sorry if that's

innopportune. I do not perceive that I am agitated by any other, nor do I

seek to change anyone except to spreading more love among us. Within Our

Love, Paul A. Snyder

 

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<MadeleineHeiss

<psnyder; <jaigurudatta>;

<karen93942

Monday, December 23, 2002 4:39 AM

Re: Baheusa- A Hindu Fundamentalist

 

 

> Mind Your Business

> It is within the nature of a common man to think of others, to talk about

> others and to interfere into the affairs of others. Instead of looking at

> himself, he is agitated and bothered about others. By so doing, he is

> unknowingly causing great harm to himself. He is forgetting that the

object

> of his concentration should be the ‘Self’ within and not the outside

objects

> and circumstances.

>

> In the spiritual path, the fundamental lesson is ‘Mind your own business’.

> One should not try to change others; rather, he should change himself. One

> should learn to mind one’s own business and stop getting agitated by other

s.

> Just as the Higher Power takes control of you, the same Power takes care

of

> others as well. If at all, one has to be concerned with others, the

concern

> should be that of unselfish co-operation, help and love.

>

>

>

> - Sri Swamiji

> Jai Guru Datta!

>

>

> (from: sadguruseva.org, Sookti Sangraha)

>

>

>

>

>

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Paul and others,

 

I am a member in another Internet list discussing philosophy. People get

into heated arguments over there too. Sometimes some one gets hurt, but that

is part of the life being actively engaging oneself in the list. What we

have to really know is that we may be provoking or hurting others by our

posts also, without our own knowledge. This invites more exchanges in

similar tone and substance. I hope that I am not offending anyone here, and

if someone thinks please do not take this personal.

 

All of us are not perfect. We give into the internal enemies like anger,

greed and lust etc., It is only the degree to which each one of us succumb

to these differs. Great souls like Swamiji have controlled all these

enemies, and that is why they are able to provide solace to others, because

they can block bad thoughts in our minds when we visit them. But

unfortunately the path or method to be followed to reach that state,

sometimes seems to be contrary to the goal itself.

 

Let us assume that I want to reach that state of loving the entire humanity.

When someone says "Love your neighbor as you would love yourself", what are

you supposed to do in situations where you need to act in a contrary manner?

Suppose my neighbor decides to encroach a bit of my property to lay a fence,

do I tell him to move his fence to the property line or keep quiet? If I

tell him/her to move the property line and end up in an altercation, I am

giving in to my internal enemies. If I keep quiet, I allow my neighbor to

ride all over me. There is a Sanskrit meaning “He who preserves Dharma is

protected by Dharmaâ€. Nowadays, the national constitution is also part of

Dharma. The list rules are Dharma, and if I moderate my posts, I do not

need to be told by another list member to reduce my noise.

 

Let me end this with my own experiences with Swamiji.

 

I honestly believe that, if you want to reach Swamiji, you do not have to

send mails to this list. THE DIALOGUE WITH SWAMIJI SHOULD BE A PERSONAL ONE,

and you will be answered depending on the intensity of your connection. I

cannot let you know when and how you will be answered, but your hope, faith

and patience will be rewarded.

 

Let Lord Datta’s grace be with all of us on this Christmas occasion to find

peace.

 

Ravi

 

 

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<MadeleineHeiss

Monday, December 23, 2002 9:13 PM

Re: Baheusa- A Hindu Fundamentalist

 

 

> This is Paul. To those who have a need to know, my heart feels ready to

> cooperate, help and love and to be guided by Sri Swamiji. Who addresses

this

> to me? I already penned an answer and a questing to a Karen for wonderful

> knowledge I would like to know about Sri Swamiji and others, for I seek

> understanding of all sorts. Did this note come to me directly from Sri

> Swamiji as a rebuke from him to me, or are you just quoting something he

> stated.? Who are you to speak to me thusly? If Sri Swamiji is unhappy

> about me, I'd like to hear from him directly. My phone number is 812

> 333-6065, USA. Since I often ask for him to speak to me telepathically,

> and I wait patiently, it would be great joy to speak directly. I will

> accept any direction from him if it's validly his concern. As soon as I

> open to the Internet next, my last messages I wrote will be automatically

> sent including the one to Karen, whoever she is. 'Sorry if that's

> innopportune. I do not perceive that I am agitated by any other, nor do I

> seek to change anyone except to spreading more love among us. Within Our

> Love, Paul A. Snyder

>

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