Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 DATTATREYA IS SEEN IN EVERYONE! Pradyumna Upadrashta <oneinfinitezero Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:40:33 -0800 (PST) JAIGURUDATTA "When will we see Datta?" I think the underlying message of all religions is that you don't need to wait for tomorrow, or for a prophet, or any sort of 'sign' to know god. You need faith and you can know god now. The truth that is spoken, is not the eternal truth. The truth that is, exists alone, supremely independent of any belief, any ritual, any dogma, any rules, any boundaries, or any imagination. That truth is datta. The avadhuta is the personification of that truth. Those who fight over "I am hindu" or "I am christian" don't see the truth for what it is. Datta is neither hindu nor christian. Datta simply IS. As Datta Jayanti approaches, my thoughts were called towards the recent "Datta Jayanti event" being planned here in MN. Discussions arose regarding the concept of how to tell the story of Dattatreya while making it more real, or more interesting, or more physical, so to speak. I think one of the problems when people listen to these stories is that they ignore the point of the story. They think usually think "what an idiot, if I saw dattatreya I wouldn't behave like this poor fool in the story" So, today i'd like to take some time to talk about our ingrained habits and behavior, and what true spirituality entails. People verbally say "seeing god is a great thing" -- but I doubt that many people think "how hard is it really to see datta?" They don't think "Would I actually recognize datta if I saw him?" People think they can listen to swamiji's lectures for half-hour on vedanta, and people say "Oh, I experienced so much bliss". They do poojas and say "there was so much bliss, so many vibrations." When they go back to their daily lives, they go back to their same patterns of behavior, their same prejudices, their same ego, same pride, same dogma. This "bliss" that these people have experienced then is nothing more than mere "words". The true bliss destroys (annihilates) everything else. Suppose you were walking down the street one day (let's say a street in india), and a beggar walks up to you. His clothes are torn, his hair is matted, he smells, he has several missing teeth which incidentally are reddish from chewing too much paan, and one of his eyes has a huge gash (wound) in it. You can't help but feel sorry for him / his condition; or at least you'd be frightened by his appearance alone, not to mention his horrible smell. At the same time, most people who are used to seeing beggars in the street every day, probably ignore this man. They may "shoo" him away. They may even physically abuse him because they were having some problem at work that day and this poor man was conveniently available to take their frustrations. Now suppose there is a very great scholar/pundit who memorized every word of the vedas. He has achieved all sorts of honors for his knowledge. He has won prizes, awards, and adoration of millions of people. He is well respected and considered close to god because of his learning. Whatever he said, people would do, and whatever he spoke, was like vedanta. One day this great scholar was invited to conduct the Anagha pooja in his local town. He therefore wakes up early that morning, and brushes his teeth, takes his bath; carefully selects his clothing; fasts that entire morning; observes vows of physical silence; and wears vibhuti and kumkum on his forehead before leaving his house. He is exceptionally careful about not touching impure things, not eating impure food, and avoiding dirty things. As he is walking towards the event hall, the above beggar begins walking towards him with a limp, hoping to get some money or food from this great man. As he comes nearer, the man is repulsed and he walks faster so as to avoid touching the beggar and becoming polluted by the smell and filth. As the man walks faster, the beggar also begins to follow the man ever faster. The man in his haste, trips over and falls down, causing his new clothes to get mud all over them. He becomes furious. He begins to yell and shout at the poor beggar. The beggar then decides to walk away. Now, the scholar decides that nothing else can be done; he goes back home, he changes his clothes, takes his bath again; and this time he orders a rikshaw to take him to the event so that he would not be late. In his urgency, he yells at the rikshaw driver to go faster. He arrives and begins the pooja on time, he says all the mantras with exceptional clarity, his voice is loud and booming, his precision is amazing to watch as he recites verse after verse without a single flaw in pronounciation. At the end of the day, he has anna danna prasaada (dinner/food) with everyone at the end of the pooja. He then goes home, and goes to sleep comfortably pleased with his performance of the event and the day's activities. So, why did I tell this story? Because the beggar whom this man yelled and screamed at was really dattatreya himself. The poor scholar with his pride in himself and his orthodox ways, did not recognize datta. The man who had memorized the text of the vedas line by line, did not see the master of the vedas when he approached him in this form. What use were all his habits? What use was all his preparation? What use was all his learning... when he could not recognize the supreme lord who had visited him that day in the form of a beggar. Perhaps next time, you will all think twice, when you see a beggar on the street, or when you pass judgement on another person because you think you are somehow better than they are; maybe you are pure, maybe you practice all the rituals; maybe you wear vibhuti and kumkum like a good hindu; maybe you preach philosophies to people who are "ignorant" in your view; maybe you have memorized all the prayers; maybe you even say your prayers ten times a day; maybe you go around giving lectures; maybe you avoid all unclean things; maybe you eat vegetarian food; but when you cannot recognize the lord, what use is your austerity? When you waste time arguing with one another over which religion is correct, and which religion is the true path to god, and how you should conduct a ritual, or what is proper, you are wasting the same time which could have been spent in seeing god. How sad. Let us then all pray to Sri Swamiji that we have the wisdom, courage, awareness, and proper mental/spiritual attitudes so that when we see Dattatreya in the street, we are actually able to recognize him. Jai Guru Datta!! ______________________________ The centipede was happy quite until a bird said, in fun, "Which foot goes after which?" This raised his mind to such a pitch he lay distracted in a ditch considering how to run. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Latest News and Additions http://www.dattapeetham.com/additions/new.html Upcomming events at Datta Temple and Hall of Trinity, Baton Rouge, LA http://www.dattatemple.com/uevents.htm Post message: JAIGURUDATTA Subscribe: JAIGURUDATTA- Un: JAIGURUDATTA Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 how about a pure heart? as far as i know, according to Swamiji the intellect, however clean it may be, is of no avail when it comes to understand the spirit of God. Manasa Datta said so in Dusseldorf, and it is in the Bhagavad Gita as well, Heart to Heart and other books. and if bahe had been Datta, would you have recognized him? Jai Guru Datta > So much of description on how the Pandit looked, dressed and decorated his > forehead is definitely out of context. I feel for one to recognize the > Datta Bhagavan one has to have a clean mind, for mind is the most powerful > sensor we have. When it is filled with useless information and bias, it > definitely can’t reflect in itself the Datta Bhagavan’s image even when > the Bhagavan stands right in front of it. > Vegetarianism, Cleanliness, reciting mantras with at most devotion and > concentration are nothing but ways of cleaning body and ultimately the > mind. In spite of all such practices, if some one is unable to find Datta > Bhagavan, indicates, there is great scope in mending ones ways. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 all the better ;-) your words in God´s ear as we say in Germany Jai Guru Datta > I feel, a clean mind develops and lives in harmony with a clean heart. They > are inseparable. > Jai Guru Datta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 I think the underlying message of all religions is that you don't need to wait for tomorrow, or for a prophet, or any sort of 'sign' to know god. You need faith and you can know god now. The truth that is spoken, is not the eternal truth. The truth that is, exists alone, supremely independent of any belief, any ritual, any dogma, any rules, any boundaries, or any imagination. That truth is datta. The avadhuta is the personification of that truth. Those who fight over "I am hindu" or "I am christian" don't see the truth for what it is. Datta is neither hindu nor christian. Datta simply IS. As Datta Jayanti approaches, my thoughts were called towards the recent "Datta Jayanti event" being planned here in MN. Discussions arose regarding the concept of how to tell the story of Dattatreya while making it more real, or more interesting, or more physical, so to speak. I think one of the problems when people listen to these stories is that they ignore the point of the story. They think usually think "what an idiot, if I saw dattatreya I wouldn't behave like this poor fool in the story" So, today i'd like to take some time to talk about our ingrained habits and behavior, and what true spirituality entails. People verbally say "seeing god is a great thing" -- but I doubt that many people think "how hard is it really to see datta?" They don't think "Would I actually recognize datta if I saw him?" People think they can listen to swamiji's lectures for half-hour on vedanta, and people say "Oh, I experienced so much bliss". They do poojas and say "there was so much bliss, so many vibrations." When they go back to their daily lives, they go back to their same patterns of behavior, their same prejudices, their same ego, same pride, same dogma. This "bliss" that these people have experienced then is nothing more than mere "words". The true bliss destroys (annihilates) everything else. Suppose you were walking down the street one day (let's say a street in india), and a beggar walks up to you. His clothes are torn, his hair is matted, he smells, he has several missing teeth which incidentally are reddish from chewing too much paan, and one of his eyes has a huge gash (wound) in it. You can't help but feel sorry for him / his condition; or at least you'd be frightened by his appearance alone, not to mention his horrible smell. At the same time, most people who are used to seeing beggars in the street every day, probably ignore this man. They may "shoo" him away. They may even physically abuse him because they were having some problem at work that day and this poor man was conveniently available to take their frustrations. Now suppose there is a very great scholar/pundit who memorized every word of the vedas. He has achieved all sorts of honors for his knowledge. He has won prizes, awards, and adoration of millions of people. He is well respected and considered close to god because of his learning. Whatever he said, people would do, and whatever he spoke, was like vedanta. One day this great scholar was invited to conduct the Anagha pooja in his local town. He therefore wakes up early that morning, and brushes his teeth, takes his bath; carefully selects his clothing; fasts that entire morning; observes vows of physical silence; and wears vibhuti and kumkum on his forehead before leaving his house. He is exceptionally careful about not touching impure things, not eating impure food, and avoiding dirty things. As he is walking towards the event hall, the above beggar begins walking towards him with a limp, hoping to get some money or food from this great man. As he comes nearer, the man is repulsed and he walks faster so as to avoid touching the beggar and becoming polluted by the smell and filth. As the man walks faster, the beggar also begins to follow the man ever faster. The man in his haste, trips over and falls down, causing his new clothes to get mud all over them. He becomes furious. He begins to yell and shout at the poor beggar. The beggar then decides to walk away. Now, the scholar decides that nothing else can be done; he goes back home, he changes his clothes, takes his bath again; and this time he orders a rikshaw to take him to the event so that he would not be late. In his urgency, he yells at the rikshaw driver to go faster. He arrives and begins the pooja on time, he says all the mantras with exceptional clarity, his voice is loud and booming, his precision is amazing to watch as he recites verse after verse without a single flaw in pronounciation. At the end of the day, he has anna danna prasaada (dinner/food) with everyone at the end of the pooja. He then goes home, and goes to sleep comfortably pleased with his performance of the event and the day's activities. So, why did I tell this story? Because the beggar whom this man yelled and screamed at was really dattatreya himself. The poor scholar with his pride in himself and his orthodox ways, did not recognize datta. The man who had memorized the text of the vedas line by line, did not see the master of the vedas when he approached him in this form. What use were all his habits? What use was all his preparation? What use was all his learning... when he could not recognize the supreme lord who had visited him that day in the form of a beggar. Perhaps next time, you will all think twice, when you see a beggar on the street, or when you pass judgement on another person because you think you are somehow better than they are; maybe you are pure, maybe you practice all the rituals; maybe you wear vibhuti and kumkum like a good hindu; maybe you preach philosophies to people who are "ignorant" in your view; maybe you have memorized all the prayers; maybe you even say your prayers ten times a day; maybe you go around giving lectures; maybe you avoid all unclean things; maybe you eat vegetarian food; but when you cannot recognize the lord, what use is your austerity? When you waste time arguing with one another over which religion is correct, and which religion is the true path to god, and how you should conduct a ritual, or what is proper, you are wasting the same time which could have been spent in seeing god. How sad. Let us then all pray to Sri Swamiji that we have the wisdom, courage, awareness, and proper mental/spiritual attitudes so that when we see Dattatreya in the street, we are actually able to recognize him. Jai Guru Datta!! ______________________________ The centipede was happy quite until a bird said, in fun, "Which foot goes after which?" This raised his mind to such a pitch he lay distracted in a ditch considering how to run. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 So much of description on how the Pandit looked, dressed and decorated his forehead is definitely out of context. I feel for one to recognize the Datta Bhagavan one has to have a clean mind, for mind is the most powerful sensor we have. When it is filled with useless information and bias, it definitely can’t reflect in itself the Datta Bhagavan’s image even when the Bhagavan stands right in front of it. Vegetarianism, Cleanliness, reciting mantras with at most devotion and concentration are nothing but ways of cleaning body and ultimately the mind. In spite of all such practices, if some one is unable to find Datta Bhagavan, indicates, there is great scope in mending ones ways. Jai Guru Datta. Pradyumna Upadrashta <oneinfinitezero wrote: I think the underlying message of all religions is that you don't need to wait for tomorrow, or for a prophet, or any sort of 'sign' to know god. You need faith and you can know god now. The truth that is spoken, is not the eternal truth. The truth that is, exists alone, supremely independent of any belief, any ritual, any dogma, any rules, any boundaries, or any imagination. That truth is datta. The avadhuta is the personification of that truth. Those who fight over "I am hindu" or "I am christian" don't see the truth for what it is. Datta is neither hindu nor christian. Datta simply IS. As Datta Jayanti approaches, my thoughts were called towards the recent "Datta Jayanti event" being planned here in MN. Discussions arose regarding the concept of how to tell the story of Dattatreya while making it more real, or more interesting, or more physical, so to speak. I think one of the problems when people listen to these stories is that they ignore the point of the story. They think usually think "what an idiot, if I saw dattatreya I wouldn't behave like this poor fool in the story" So, today i'd like to take some time to talk about our ingrained habits and behavior, and what true spirituality entails. People verbally say "seeing god is a great thing" -- but I doubt that many people think "how hard is it really to see datta?" They don't think "Would I actually recognize datta if I saw him?" People think they can listen to swamiji's lectures for half-hour on vedanta, and people say "Oh, I experienced so much bliss". They do poojas and say "there was so much bliss, so many vibrations." When they go back to their daily lives, they go back to their same patterns of behavior, their same prejudices, their same ego, same pride, same dogma. This "bliss" that these people have experienced then is nothing more than mere "words". The true bliss destroys (annihilates) everything else. Suppose you were walking down the street one day (let's say a street in india), and a beggar walks up to you. His clothes are torn, his hair is matted, he smells, he has several missing teeth which incidentally are reddish from chewing too much paan, and one of his eyes has a huge gash (wound) in it. You can't help but feel sorry for him / his condition; or at least you'd be frightened by his appearance alone, not to mention his horrible smell. At the same time, most people who are used to seeing beggars in the street every day, probably ignore this man. They may "shoo" him away. They may even physically abuse him because they were having some problem at work that day and this poor man was conveniently available to take their frustrations. Now suppose there is a very great scholar/pundit who memorized every word of the vedas. He has achieved all sorts of honors for his knowledge. He has won prizes, awards, and adoration of millions of people. He is well respected and considered close to god because of his learning. Whatever he said, people would do, and whatever he spoke, was like vedanta. One day this great scholar was invited to conduct the Anagha pooja in his local town. He therefore wakes up early that morning, and brushes his teeth, takes his bath; carefully selects his clothing; fasts that entire morning; observes vows of physical silence; and wears vibhuti and kumkum on his forehead before leaving his house. He is exceptionally careful about not touching impure things, not eating impure food, and avoiding dirty things. As he is walking towards the event hall, the above beggar begins walking towards him with a limp, hoping to get some money or food from this great man. As he comes nearer, the man is repulsed and he walks faster so as to avoid touching the beggar and becoming polluted by the smell and filth. As the man walks faster, the beggar also begins to follow the man ever faster. The man in his haste, trips over and falls down, causing his new clothes to get mud all over them. He becomes furious. He begins to yell and shout at the poor beggar. The beggar then decides to walk away. Now, the scholar decides that nothing else can be done; he goes back home, he changes his clothes, takes his bath again; and this time he orders a rikshaw to take him to the event so that he would not be late. In his urgency, he yells at the rikshaw driver to go faster. He arrives and begins the pooja on time, he says all the mantras with exceptional clarity, his voice is loud and booming, his precision is amazing to watch as he recites verse after verse without a single flaw in pronounciation. At the end of the day, he has anna danna prasaada (dinner/food) with everyone at the end of the pooja. He then goes home, and goes to sleep comfortably pleased with his performance of the event and the day's activities. So, why did I tell this story? Because the beggar whom this man yelled and screamed at was really dattatreya himself. The poor scholar with his pride in himself and his orthodox ways, did not recognize datta. The man who had memorized the text of the vedas line by line, did not see the master of the vedas when he approached him in this form. What use were all his habits? What use was all his preparation? What use was all his learning... when he could not recognize the supreme lord who had visited him that day in the form of a beggar. Perhaps next time, you will all think twice, when you see a beggar on the street, or when you pass judgement on another person because you think you are somehow better than they are; maybe you are pure, maybe you practice all the rituals; maybe you wear vibhuti and kumkum like a good hindu; maybe you preach philosophies to people who are "ignorant" in your view; maybe you have memorized all the prayers; maybe you even say your prayers ten times a day; maybe you go around giving lectures; maybe you avoid all unclean things; maybe you eat vegetarian food; but when you cannot recognize the lord, what use is your austerity? When you waste time arguing with one another over which religion is correct, and which religion is the true path to god, and how you should conduct a ritual, or what is proper, you are wasting the same time which could have been spent in seeing god. How sad. Let us then all pray to Sri Swamiji that we have the wisdom, courage, awareness, and proper mental/spiritual attitudes so that when we see Dattatreya in the street, we are actually able to recognize him. Jai Guru Datta!! ______________________________ The centipede was happy quite until a bird said, in fun, "Which foot goes after which?" This raised his mind to such a pitch he lay distracted in a ditch considering how to run. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Latest News and Additions http://www.dattapeetham.com/additions/new.html Upcomming events at Datta Temple and Hall of Trinity, Baton Rouge, LA http://www.dattatemple.com/uevents.htm Post message: JAIGURUDATTA Subscribe: JAIGURUDATTA- Un: JAIGURUDATTA Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 I feel, a clean mind develops and lives in harmony with a clean heart. They are inseparable. Jai Guru Datta MadeleineHeiss wrote:how about a pure heart? as far as i know, according to Swamiji the intellect, however clean it may be, is of no avail when it comes to understand the spirit of God. Manasa Datta said so in Dusseldorf, and it is in the Bhagavad Gita as well, Heart to Heart and other books. and if bahe had been Datta, would you have recognized him? Jai Guru Datta > So much of description on how the Pandit looked, dressed and decorated his > forehead is definitely out of context. I feel for one to recognize the > Datta Bhagavan one has to have a clean mind, for mind is the most powerful > sensor we have. When it is filled with useless information and bias, it > definitely can’t reflect in itself the Datta Bhagavan’s image even when > the Bhagavan stands right in front of it. > Vegetarianism, Cleanliness, reciting mantras with at most devotion and > concentration are nothing but ways of cleaning body and ultimately the > mind. In spite of all such practices, if some one is unable to find Datta > Bhagavan, indicates, there is great scope in mending ones ways. > Latest News and Additions http://www.dattapeetham.com/additions/new.html Upcomming events at Datta Temple and Hall of Trinity, Baton Rouge, LA http://www.dattatemple.com/uevents.htm Post message: JAIGURUDATTA Subscribe: JAIGURUDATTA- Un: JAIGURUDATTA Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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