Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Explain "stupid" versus "not stupid" without using societal laws to define these terms. in my view, stupidity is in the eye of the society which created the laws. an action is neither stupid, nor not stupid, until your mind labels it so. an action is an action is an action. the labeling of an action as "stupid" is inherently based on societal norms -- we do "not stupid" things to uphold our "image" of ourselves as being "smart" or "reasonable". This is decision making based on the selfish motive of gaining the desired result -- namely, what will people think if i behave this way, or that way. being "righteous" itself is selfish to some extent -- we are 'righteous' because we deep down seek heaven or some other un-nameable reward. This 'seeking' implies that we move away from who we are. That is, we move away from being one thing, to something more desireable, because we think that something else is "good" or "not stupid" and that what we are is "stupid" or "not good". This moving away from what we are is what seems to lead to all the trouble. ....comments? jai guru datta. JAIGURUDATTA wrote:Latest News and Additions http://www.dattapeetham.com/additions/new.html Upcomming events at Datta Temple and Hall of Trinity, Baton Rouge, LA http://www.dattatemple.com/uevents.htm Post message: JAIGURUDATTA Subscribe: JAIGURUDATTA- Un: JAIGURUDATTA ------ There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: "Compassion" Winand Abhelakh 2. Re: "Compassion" Winand Abhelakh 3. Re: "Compassion" MadeleineHeiss 4. Re: "Compassion" Winand Abhelakh 5. Re: "Compassion" MadeleineHeiss 6. Re: "Compassion" MadeleineHeiss 7. about Datta Rameshwaram (Manginapudi) in Telugu news paper Chandra Sekhar Chaganti ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 05:19:04 -0800 (PST) Winand Abhelakh Re: "Compassion" Yes i think spontanous action will be more compassionate. However spontanous action can also be stupid. And compassion is definitely not stupid. You wrote: "So no action which is based on 'decision making' can be truly 'compassionate'." Yes one decides for ones own best interest. However one can aslo decide to do something compassionate. Jgd, Win Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:27:13 -0800 (PST) Winand Abhelakh Re: "Compassion" Btw i consider myself to be (very) spontaneous. Then again i now how stupid i can be sometimes jgd, Win Winand Abhelakh wrote: Yes i think spontanous action will be more compassionate. However spontanous action can also be stupid. And compassion is definitely not stupid. You wrote: "So no action which is based on 'decision making' can be truly 'compassionate'." Yes one decides for ones own best interest. However one can aslo decide to do something compassionate. Jgd, Win Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Latest News and Additions http://www.dattapeetham.com/additions/new.html Upcomming events at Datta Temple and Hall of Trinity, Baton Rouge, LA http://www.dattatemple.com/uevents.htm Post message: JAIGURUDATTA Subscribe: JAIGURUDATTA- Un: JAIGURUDATTA Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:54:51 EST MadeleineHeiss Re: "Compassion" it seems to depend on the definition of "spontaneous", whether one defines it as impulsive, but still based on ego, i.e. on wishes, e.g to avoid the undesirable and to get the desirable, which can of course be "stupid" if one wants to use this relative term, or whether one, as Pradyumna does, defines it as"having no motive or bias" which means in my understanding, not motivated by ego, i.e. not motivated by any wish to get anything desirable or avoid anything undesirable. according to this second definition, impulsive actions are ego motivated and thus reactions, and only ego-less action is true action, only ego-less compassion is true compassion. so is anyone that is not (yet) self-realized, i.e. ego-less, able to truly act, to show true compassion? according to Pradyumna´s definition, if I got it right, one would have to say: no Jai Guru Datta ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) Winand Abhelakh Re: "Compassion" Yess i think we can be compassionate but we are not-self realised so we cant be pure in compassion. Jgd, Win. MadeleineHeiss wrote:it seems to depend on the definition of "spontaneous", whether one defines it as impulsive, but still based on ego, i.e. on wishes, e.g to avoid the undesirable and to get the desirable, which can of course be "stupid" if one wants to use this relative term, or whether one, as Pradyumna does, defines it as"having no motive or bias" which means in my understanding, not motivated by ego, i.e. not motivated by any wish to get anything desirable or avoid anything undesirable. according to this second definition, impulsive actions are ego motivated and thus reactions, and only ego-less action is true action, only ego-less compassion is true compassion. so is anyone that is not (yet) self-realized, i.e. ego-less, able to truly act, to show true compassion? according to Pradyumna´s definition, if I got it right, one would have to say: no Jai Guru Datta Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:23:15 EST MadeleineHeiss Re: "Compassion" how can we, not self-realized ones, know what it would be like to be without ego? does a blind born person know what it is like to see a blue sky? jai guru datta ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:38:53 EST MadeleineHeiss Re: "Compassion" sookti 70 of sookti sangraha says the following about self-realization: (www.sadguruseva.org), see below. so how do we have to imagine this, as it is said "If you have to go to the terrace of your house, you do not reach it by a jump. You have to use a ladder and climb step by step till you reach." so do we gradually become more and more compassionate, do we react less and less, and act more and more instead, or do we suddenly become compassionate (hopefully) some day? it suggests we gradually change by gradually emptying our minds of thoughts. not all of a sudden, but step by step. jgd. "Self-realization Self-realization is a state to `Be´ rather than become. When there is cessation of thoughts and mental activity, the experience of the Self shines forth. So long as thoughts are there, the Self remains covered by them.Thoughts are like bubbles upon the surface of the sea (Self). They are pre-dispositions accumulated through innumerable former births in the chitta (mind). Their annihilation must be the aim.If you have to go to the terrace of your house, you do not reach it by a jump. You have to use a ladder and climb step by step till you reach. Whatever spiritual path, you are given to, the most important aspect of your saadhana (practice) has to be towards emptying your mind from thoughts. Once this is accomplished, you will `Be´ -the Self within you will be self-luminous and that is your essential nature. - Sri Swamiji Jai Guru Datta! " > Yess i think we can be compassionate but we are not-self realised so we cant > be pure in compassion. > Jgd, Win. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 7 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:13:34 -0800 (PST) Chandra Sekhar Chaganti about Datta Rameshwaram (Manginapudi) in Telugu news paper Here is an article about Datta Rameshwaram from Eenadu (Telugu daily newspaper) http://www.eenadu.net/kri4.htm Jaiguru datta Chandru Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ______________________ ______________________ Your use of is subject to ______________________________ The centipede was happy quite until a bird said, in fun, "Which foot goes after which?" This raised his mind to such a pitch he lay distracted in a ditch considering how to run. Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 if mental silence alone is bliss, then, what makes one thought better than another? in this case, only freedom from thoughts is true intelligence, love and compassion. jai guru datta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 it may seem "stupid" to you, as you may want to avoid "bad karma". yet in a way, wanting to "avoid bad karma" is yet another wish that keeps you caught in the illusion of maya ... this may sound provoking, but it´s what Pradyumna is saying in my understanding. jgd. "jgd, doing adharmic things is stupid! sgd, Win Pradyumna Upadrashta <oneinfinitezero wrote: Explain "stupid" versus "not stupid" without using societal laws to define these terms. in my view, stupidity is in the eye of the society which created the laws. an action is neither stupid, nor not stupid, until your mind labels it so. an action is an action is an action. the labeling of an action as "stupid" is inherently based on societal norms -- we do "not stupid" things to uphold our "image" of ourselves as being "smart" or "reasonable". This is decision making based on the selfish motive of gaining the desired result -- namely, what will people think if i behave this way, or that way. being "righteous" itself is selfish to some extent -- we are 'righteous' because we deep down seek heaven or some other un-nameable reward. This 'seeking' implies that we move away from who we are. That is, we move away from being one thing, to something more desireable, because we think that something else is "good" or "not stupid" and that what we are is "stupid" or "not good". This moving away from what we are is what seems to lead to all the trouble. ....comments? jai guru datta." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 jgd, doing adharmic things is stupid! sgd, Win Pradyumna Upadrashta <oneinfinitezero wrote: Explain "stupid" versus "not stupid" without using societal laws to define these terms. in my view, stupidity is in the eye of the society which created the laws. an action is neither stupid, nor not stupid, until your mind labels it so. an action is an action is an action. the labeling of an action as "stupid" is inherently based on societal norms -- we do "not stupid" things to uphold our "image" of ourselves as being "smart" or "reasonable". This is decision making based on the selfish motive of gaining the desired result -- namely, what will people think if i behave this way, or that way. being "righteous" itself is selfish to some extent -- we are 'righteous' because we deep down seek heaven or some other un-nameable reward. This 'seeking' implies that we move away from who we are. That is, we move away from being one thing, to something more desireable, because we think that something else is "good" or "not stupid" and that what we are is "stupid" or "not good". This moving away from what we are is what seems to lead to all the trouble. ....comments? jai guru datta. JAIGURUDATTA wrote:Latest News and Additions http://www.dattapeetham.com/additions/new.html Upcomming events at Datta Temple and Hall of Trinity, Baton Rouge, LA http://www.dattatemple.com/uevents.htm Post message: JAIGURUDATTA Subscribe: JAIGURUDATTA- Un: JAIGURUDATTA ------ There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: "Compassion" Winand Abhelakh 2. Re: "Compassion" Winand Abhelakh 3. Re: "Compassion" MadeleineHeiss 4. Re: "Compassion" Winand Abhelakh 5. Re: "Compassion" MadeleineHeiss 6. Re: "Compassion" MadeleineHeiss 7. about Datta Rameshwaram (Manginapudi) in Telugu news paper Chandra Sekhar Chaganti ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 05:19:04 -0800 (PST) Winand Abhelakh Re: "Compassion" Yes i think spontanous action will be more compassionate. However spontanous action can also be stupid. And compassion is definitely not stupid. You wrote: "So no action which is based on 'decision making' can be truly 'compassionate'." Yes one decides for ones own best interest. However one can aslo decide to do something compassionate. Jgd, Win Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:27:13 -0800 (PST) Winand Abhelakh Re: "Compassion" Btw i consider myself to be (very) spontaneous. Then again i now how stupid i can be sometimes jgd, Win Winand Abhelakh wrote: Yes i think spontanous action will be more compassionate. However spontanous action can also be stupid. And compassion is definitely not stupid. You wrote: "So no action which is based on 'decision making' can be truly 'compassionate'." Yes one decides for ones own best interest. However one can aslo decide to do something compassionate. Jgd, Win Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Latest News and Additions http://www.dattapeetham.com/additions/new.html Upcomming events at Datta Temple and Hall of Trinity, Baton Rouge, LA http://www.dattatemple.com/uevents.htm Post message: JAIGURUDATTA Subscribe: JAIGURUDATTA- Un: JAIGURUDATTA Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:54:51 EST MadeleineHeiss Re: "Compassion" it seems to depend on the definition of "spontaneous", whether one defines it as impulsive, but still based on ego, i.e. on wishes, e.g to avoid the undesirable and to get the desirable, which can of course be "stupid" if one wants to use this relative term, or whether one, as Pradyumna does, defines it as"having no motive or bias" which means in my understanding, not motivated by ego, i.e. not motivated by any wish to get anything desirable or avoid anything undesirable. according to this second definition, impulsive actions are ego motivated and thus reactions, and only ego-less action is true action, only ego-less compassion is true compassion. so is anyone that is not (yet) self-realized, i.e. ego-less, able to truly act, to show true compassion? according to Pradyumna´s definition, if I got it right, one would have to say: no Jai Guru Datta ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) Winand Abhelakh Re: "Compassion" Yess i think we can be compassionate but we are not-self realised so we cant be pure in compassion. Jgd, Win. MadeleineHeiss wrote:it seems to depend on the definition of "spontaneous", whether one defines it as impulsive, but still based on ego, i.e. on wishes, e.g to avoid the undesirable and to get the desirable, which can of course be "stupid" if one wants to use this relative term, or whether one, as Pradyumna does, defines it as"having no motive or bias" which means in my understanding, not motivated by ego, i.e. not motivated by any wish to get anything desirable or avoid anything undesirable. according to this second definition, impulsive actions are ego motivated and thus reactions, and only ego-less action is true action, only ego-less compassion is true compassion. so is anyone that is not (yet) self-realized, i.e. ego-less, able to truly act, to show true compassion? according to Pradyumna´s definition, if I got it right, one would have to say: no Jai Guru Datta Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:23:15 EST MadeleineHeiss Re: "Compassion" how can we, not self-realized ones, know what it would be like to be without ego? does a blind born person know what it is like to see a blue sky? jai guru datta ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:38:53 EST MadeleineHeiss Re: "Compassion" sookti 70 of sookti sangraha says the following about self-realization: (www.sadguruseva.org), see below. so how do we have to imagine this, as it is said "If you have to go to the terrace of your house, you do not reach it by a jump. You have to use a ladder and climb step by step till you reach." so do we gradually become more and more compassionate, do we react less and less, and act more and more instead, or do we suddenly become compassionate (hopefully) some day? it suggests we gradually change by gradually emptying our minds of thoughts. not all of a sudden, but step by step. jgd. "Self-realization Self-realization is a state to `Be´ rather than become. When there is cessation of thoughts and mental activity, the experience of the Self shines forth. So long as thoughts are there, the Self remains covered by them.Thoughts are like bubbles upon the surface of the sea (Self). They are pre-dispositions accumulated through innumerable former births in the chitta (mind). Their annihilation must be the aim.If you have to go to the terrace of your house, you do not reach it by a jump. You have to use a ladder and climb step by step till you reach. Whatever spiritual path, you are given to, the most important aspect of your saadhana (practice) has to be towards emptying your mind from thoughts. Once this is accomplished, you will `Be´ -the Self within you will be self-luminous and that is your essential nature. - Sri Swamiji Jai Guru Datta! " > Yess i think we can be compassionate but we are not-self realised so we cant > be pure in compassion. > Jgd, Win. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 7 Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:13:34 -0800 (PST) Chandra Sekhar Chaganti about Datta Rameshwaram (Manginapudi) in Telugu news paper Here is an article about Datta Rameshwaram from Eenadu (Telugu daily newspaper) http://www.eenadu.net/kri4.htm Jaiguru datta Chandru Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ______________________ ______________________ Your use of is subject to ______________________________ The centipede was happy quite until a bird said, in fun, "Which foot goes after which?" This raised his mind to such a pitch he lay distracted in a ditch considering how to run. Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Latest News and Additions http://www.dattapeetham.com/additions/new.html Upcomming events at Datta Temple and Hall of Trinity, Baton Rouge, LA http://www.dattatemple.com/uevents.htm Post message: JAIGURUDATTA Subscribe: JAIGURUDATTA- Un: JAIGURUDATTA Your use of is subject to Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 this is no problem of mine, clear it in your own mind whether you agree with what Pradyumna has stated or not. jgd. > I'm not wishing anything im "saying" that doing adharmic things is stupid > > Sgd, W. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 I'm not wishing anything im "saying" that doing adharmic things is stupid Sgd, W. .. .. .. MadeleineHeiss wrote: it may seem "stupid" to you, as you may want to avoid "bad karma". yet in a way, wanting to "avoid bad karma" is yet another wish that keeps you caught in the illusion of maya ... this may sound provoking, but it´s what Pradyumna is saying in my understanding. jgd. "jgd, doing adharmic things is stupid! sgd, Win Pradyumna Upadrashta <oneinfinitezero wrote: Explain "stupid" versus "not stupid" without using societal laws to define these terms. in my view, stupidity is in the eye of the society which created the laws. an action is neither stupid, nor not stupid, until your mind labels it so. an action is an action is an action. the labeling of an action as "stupid" is inherently based on societal norms -- we do "not stupid" things to uphold our "image" of ourselves as being "smart" or "reasonable". This is decision making based on the selfish motive of gaining the desired result -- namely, what will people think if i behave this way, or that way. being "righteous" itself is selfish to some extent -- we are 'righteous' because we deep down seek heaven or some other un-nameable reward. This 'seeking' implies that we move away from who we are. That is, we move away from being one thing, to something more desireable, because we think that something else is "good" or "not stupid" and that what we are is "stupid" or "not good". This moving away from what we are is what seems to lead to all the trouble. ....comments? jai guru datta." Latest News and Additions http://www.dattapeetham.com/additions/new.html Upcomming events at Datta Temple and Hall of Trinity, Baton Rouge, LA http://www.dattatemple.com/uevents.htm Post message: JAIGURUDATTA Subscribe: JAIGURUDATTA- Un: JAIGURUDATTA Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Jai Guru Datta. Some of you seem to have so much time on your hands to toy with the mind-thing. It would be wonderful to have you here in Baton Rouge doing seva! Bhakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Jgd, yes i agree with Rao JI that we should constanly think of Sri Swamiji. The Great Shankaracharya says in Sri Guru Ashtakam..if you dont constantly concentrate on the feet of Guru ..then you are stupid. .. Further if you check the subject of this mail ..then one can conclude that adharmic actions are stupic i think that is very simple. .. Now compassion(daya) is about being spontaneous but not stupid or adharmic. One can act more compassionate by acting more selfless, this is however.. logical. .. One becomes more selfless by following closely Sadguru. Very easy to say but one has to offer oneself and that is not easy AT ALL!!!!!! So first we offer little part of ourself and we grow so that we can offer ourselfes completely. .. By studying Sri Guru Gita we can learn how to offer oneself to Sadguru...we can learn from Sri Guru Gita how to obtain Guru Krupa. Now two verses on Guru Krupaa and service to Guru. .. Verse 82..Guroh krupaa prasaadena Brahma Vishnu Maheshwaraah / Samaarthaah tatprasaadohi kevalam Guru sevayaa // = It is with the grace of Guru, the Trinity of Godhead became capable of creation, preservation and destruction. Those who serve Guru alone get the grace of the Trinity. .. Verse 16 .. Dehi brahma bhavedyasmaat Tadidaaneem prakaashaye / Sarva paapa vishuddhaatmaa Guroh paada sevannaat // = When one falls upon the feet of the Guru, and serves him, his sins will be washed off and his mind gets purified. Then he becomes a part of the godhead. So the .. p a n a c e a.. is the service at the feet of the Guru. Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Dear Win et al., Jaya Guru Datta! Please allow me to make a couple of humble commnets. I am not as knowlegeable as you are all, but feel like offering my two cents worth. "Stupid" and "Wise" are extreme terms. All those who have a Sadguru are on Wisdom path. No one other than the mighty master, the Viraat Purusha, has a "wisdometer" to gauge how stupid or wise the rest are. Quoting from the famous Guru Ashtakam - you indicated: "The Great Shankaracharya says in Sri Guru Ashtakam..if you dont constantly concentrate on the feet of Guru ..then you are stupid." - Shankaracharya did not use the word "stupid," rather he suggested, despite what ever else we might be doing ... our stature, erudite scholarship in all scriptures, enormous wealth, a beautiful wife, international recognition, etc., all might be of no avail (tatah kim? tatah kim? tatah kim? tatah kim?). I really don't know if there are many who could truly differentiate between wise and stupid. If somebody announces he/she is wise, obviously he/she is wrong for the wise never say they are wise. The wise simply meditate upon the lotus feet of their Sadguru, silently, as you accurately mentioned. I trust that the use of the word "stupid" is inappropriate for all engrossed on the dharmic path. Sri Guru Datta! Satyam Upadrashta - "Winand Abhelakh" <dhiyoyonahprachodayat <jaigurudatta> Monday, February 17, 2003 7:32 PM Re: "stupid" actions vs "not stupid" actions > > Jgd, yes i agree with Rao JI that we should constanly think of Sri Swamiji. The Great Shankaracharya says in Sri Guru Ashtakam..if you dont constantly concentrate on the feet of Guru ..then you are stupid. > . > Further if you check the subject of this mail ..then one can conclude that adharmic actions are stupic i think that is very simple. > . > Now compassion(daya) is about being spontaneous but not stupid or adharmic. One can act more compassionate by acting more selfless, this is however.. logical. > . > One becomes more selfless by following closely Sadguru. Very easy to say but one has to offer oneself and that is not easy AT ALL!!!!!! So first we offer little part of ourself and we grow so that we can offer ourselfes completely. > . > By studying Sri Guru Gita we can learn how to offer oneself to Sadguru...we can learn from Sri Guru Gita how to obtain Guru Krupa. Now two verses on Guru Krupaa and service to Guru. > . > Verse 82..Guroh krupaa prasaadena Brahma Vishnu Maheshwaraah / Samaarthaah tatprasaadohi kevalam Guru sevayaa // = It is with the grace of Guru, the Trinity of Godhead became capable of creation, preservation and destruction. Those who serve Guru alone get the grace of the Trinity. > . > Verse 16 .. Dehi brahma bhavedyasmaat Tadidaaneem prakaashaye / Sarva paapa vishuddhaatmaa Guroh paada sevannaat // = When one falls upon the feet of the Guru, and serves him, his sins will be washed off and his mind gets purified. Then he becomes a part of the godhead. So the .. p a n a c e a.. is the service at the feet of the Guru. > > > > > > Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > > > > > Latest News and Additions http://www.dattapeetham.com/additions/new.html > > Upcomming events at Datta Temple and Hall of Trinity, Baton Rouge, LA > http://www.dattatemple.com/uevents.htm > > Post message: JAIGURUDATTA > Subscribe: JAIGURUDATTA- > Un: JAIGURUDATTA > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 in my opinion Pradyumna has said that all judgemental thoughts are always relative, always depending on a reference frame. whereas Truth is absolute. Thus truth cannot be reached by a relative means. what is dharma and what is not? e.g. a mother is going to give birth to a child. now the doctor says that he can save the life only of either the mother or the child. so is it adharmic to let the mother die? some would say so. is it adharmic to let the child die? some others would say so. some might say it is not ok to torture animals for scientifical purposes, as animals are our brothers and sisters and even humans can be reborn as animals. others might say it is ok as it serves a higher purpose than the animals lives. and so on. some might say if someone insists on committing suicide, especially when having an incurable disease and a lot of pain, it is ok. ot hers might say it is still a great sin. some say it is important to do research with embryo stem cells, others say it is a sin. it depends on the cultural and religious background, it always depends on a reference frame. and because the backgrounds are different, there are wars and other conflicts. - Truth doesn´t depend on any reference frame. That´s why Swamiji advised us to become mentally still, you remember the quote, Mauna and even more ... jgd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Pradyumna has said: > "...being "righteous" itself is selfish to some extent -- we are 'righteous' > because we deep down seek heaven or some other un-nameable reward. This > 'seeking' implies that we move away from who we are. That is, we move away > from being one thing, to something more desireable, because we think that > something else is "good" or "not stupid" and that what we are is "stupid" > or "not good". This moving away from what we are is what seems to lead to > all the trouble." I agree with this totally. Even within our minds there is usually constant conflict, e.g. I want to eat chocolate,but I shouldn´t, as it is not healthy. I should prepare for my exam, but I don´t feel like doing so. I should be more this or that, I should be less this or that ... These constant inner conflicts create thought waves, which in a way, add to the confusion in the world. So the world´s state in a way can be considered to be the sum of all our constant inner conflicts, of our constant judging, condemning and justifying. As all is one, the world is no different from us, the world´s confusion is our own confusion. These conflicts cause friction on an invisible level (although you can of course see qualities of thought waves, e.g. in an EEG, electroenzephalogramme), and this friction takes away energy which we could use instead for turning inwards, turning to the Source, to the Self. Jai Guru Datta. from Sadguru Sookti Sangraha, Sookti 34: "Harmony – Inner and Outer If you are in harmony within yourself, the entire outside world will also be in harmony. If you see conflicts outside, it is your inner conflict, which on projection, sees conflicts outside.In the grand scheme of Mother Nature, there is a beautiful arrangement for everything. Nature has not caused any conflict anywhere. It is human mind which creates and sees conflict. The more you see conflict or talk about it, the more power you are giving to it. Look at everything as a consequence, but hold on to the Cause; as nothing happens without a cause. Your mind will be restful and you will be at peace, when you submit yourself to the higher principles of existence – that for everything – visible and invisible, there is the Cause behind. Without being distracted, you should live your life in devotion, faith and surrender, and let your mind not see any conflict anywhere. - Sri Swamiji Jai Guru Datta! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 Jgd..i know the Great Shankaracharya did not say stupid ...He said what is the use of wealth etc etc if you dont have faith in SadGuru(if you dont have faith in Sadguru you are stupid...this is the context of the discussion). .. I'm not saying "anyone" is stupid. I was making a statement in relation to the discussion. That adharmic actions should be destroyed(so they are stupid). I am only responding to these questions perhaps that could be called stupid for i should observe silence. .. Sri Swamiji said in His divine Sri Marakata RajaRajeshwari Devi Speech: Adharmamo Naashanamo naashanamo. This means as you all might know that adharmic actions should be destroyed. .. Btw i hope you guys are not thinking that i think i'm knowledgable or wise or something i'm just discussing. That is a good thing isnt it? Reflection on things is very neccesary. .. Ok ...Jai Guru Datta! Win Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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