Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 Great sharing on Ganesha! its fantastic I loved all your replies each came to fill up a new puzzle pieze in this big mandala... By the way, today I found another expression of Ganesha described in this book. "Cutting through spiritual materialism" by Chogyam Trungpa, its at the end of the book, a chapter dedicated to Tantra. I will copy it here for you: "Protection does not mean securing your safety, but it signifies a reference point, a guideline wich reminds you, keeps you in place, in the open. For instance, there is a Mahakala protective divinity called Six Armed Mahakala who is black in color and stands on Ganesha, the elephant headed god who here symbolizes subconcious thoughts. This subconcious gossip is an aspect of slothfulness that automatically distracts you from being aware and invites you back to being fascinated by your thoughts and emotions. It specially plays upon the survey nature of your thoughts-intellectual, domestic, emotional thoughts, whatever they might be.The Mahakala brings you back to openness. The intent of the symbolism is that the Mahakala overpowers subconcious gossip by standing on it. The Mahakala represents the leap into penetrating awareness." (p 233) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 And btw: is everyone here aware of the "Fractal Ganesh"? I'm attaching a copy. Apparently a few mathematicians were quite taken aback - working with fractals and, whoa! computer born, there's Ganesh! I hate to say it, but I "kinda" see it.........how exactly are you looking at this thing? Thank you much. Jai Ganesha Deva William Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 I think it is wise to be real careful when examining Tibetan approaches to Ganesh. Sometimes the iconography borders on the downright disrespectful...other times it is sublime...I think this is probably due as much to the different political attitudes of Old Tibet's various "neighborhoods" towards Hinduism as anything else. Trungpa though was as erudite is they come....and always worth reading.... Your note is not without its synchronicity...on its way to me, probably to arrive first of the coming week, is a six-armed Mahakala. I'm thinking that Mahakala astride Ganesh could also be taken as Ganesh withdrawing from our awareness so that a Siva awareness might bloom....and the image an expression of a New Knowing. Sidebar: I would very much appreciate if anyone could direct me to a site where I could download a clean sword, wand, cup and pentacle...simple representations...that I might download and work with towards producing the the Tarot/Ganesh we were discussing yesterday. And btw: is everyone here aware of the "Fractal Ganesh"? I'm attaching a copy. Apparently a few mathematicians were quite taken aback - working with fractals and, whoa! computer born, there's Ganesh! aqesa <aqesa > wrote: Great sharing on Ganesha! its fantastic I loved all your replies each came to fill up a new puzzle pieze in this big mandala...By the way, today I found another expression of Ganesha described in this book. "Cutting through spiritual materialism" by Chogyam Trungpa, its at the end of the book, a chapter dedicated to Tantra. I will copy it here for you:"Protection does not mean securing your safety, but it signifies a reference point, a guideline wich reminds you, keeps you in place, in the open. For instance, there is a Mahakala protective divinity called Six Armed Mahakala who is black in color and stands on Ganesha, the elephant headed god who here symbolizes subconcious thoughts. This subconcious gossip is an aspect of slothfulness that automatically distracts you from being aware and invites you back to being fascinated by your thoughts and emotions. It specially plays upon the survey nature of your thoughts-intellectual, domestic, emotional thoughts, whatever they might be.The Mahakala brings you back to openness. The intent of the symbolism is that the Mahakala overpowers subconcious gossip by standing on it. The Mahakala represents the leap into penetrating awareness." (p 233)To from this group, send an email to:-http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Your use of is subject to the Health - Feel better, live better Attachment: (image/pjpeg) fractal.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Well I don´t think the tibetan´s used Ganesham in this tantric symbolic representation (Mahakala/Ganesha) as a way of disrespect for the hindu worship of the elephant God...at least that´s not the vibes I pick when reading it... Love Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 It occurs to me that one of Ganesha's functions is to bless new beginnings. Perhaps the image of Maha-Kala dancing on Ganesha signifies that Time (Kala) is eternal, and beginnings (or endings) are just projections of the human mind? -- Len/ Kalipadma On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Scott Hutton <hmshutton writes: > > No, I agree with you - not in this instance...but they have been > known to fuss their Hindu neighbors with some far out thankas and > such....I don't be any stretch of the imagination mean Trungpa > (though he did have a genius for fussing folks in other ways)...I > mean back in old Tibet.... > aqesa <aqesa wrote: Well I don´t think the tibetan´s > used Ganesham in this tantric symbolic > representation (Mahakala/Ganesha) as a way of disrespect for the > hindu > worship of the elephant God...at least that´s not the vibes I pick > when reading it... > ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 lionserpent358 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 7/26/2002 7:27:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hmshutton writes: And btw: is everyone here aware of the "Fractal Ganesh"? I'm attaching a copy. Apparently a few mathematicians were quite taken aback - working with fractals and, whoa! computer born, there's Ganesh! I hate to say it, but I "kinda" see it.........how exactly are you looking at this thing? Thank you much. Jai Ganesha Deva William To from this group, send an email to:-http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Your use of is subject to the I Health - Feel better, live better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 aqesa <aqesa > wrote: Well I don´t think the tibetan´s used Ganesham in this tantric symbolic representation (Mahakala/Ganesha) as a way of disrespect for the hindu worship of the elephant God...at least that´s not the vibes I pick when reading it...LoveBarbaraTo from this group, send an email to:-http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Do You ? Health - Feel better, live better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Black Lotus L Rosenberg <kalipadma (AT) juno (DOT) com> wrote: It occurs to me that one of Ganesha's functions is to bless newbeginnings. Perhaps the image of Maha-Kala dancing on Ganesha signifiesthat Time (Kala) is eternal, and beginnings (or endings) are justprojections of the human mind?-- Len/ KalipadmaOn Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Scott Huttonwrites:> > No, I agree with you - not in this instance...but they have been > known to fuss their Hindu neighbors with some far out thankas and > such....I don't be any stretch of the imagination mean Trungpa > (though he did have a genius for fussing folks in other ways)...I > mean back in old Tibet....> aqesa wrote: Well I don´t think the tibetan´s > used Ganesham in this tantric symbolic > representation (Mahakala/Ganesha) as a way of disrespect for the > hindu > worship of the elephant God...at least that´s not the vibes I pick > when reading it...> ______________GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Free $5 Love ReadingRisk Free!http://us.click./NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/XUWolB/TM---~->To from this group, send an email to:-http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Your use of is subject to Health - Feel better, live better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 , Scott Hutton <hmshutton> wrote: > > Now that's what I call cookin'....anything else on yer back burner??? > > > LOl what´s the problem with cooking? its basic alchemy! lol! Well I don´t see anything wrong in using Ganesha as a way to depict the subconcious mind. If Ganesha is everything, he can embody the subconcious mind and a mushroom if he wants...no? If Ganesha opens doors, why not open the doors to the subconcious mind so we can work with it aswell? there´s a lot of cleaning to make in there aswell...why not? Another thing is the sensibilities between religious traditions or spiritual traditions as Scott mentioned previously. Of course some hindus could feel offended by this symbology (mahakala/ganesha) but and of course this is my personal opinion, I don´t feel it was done or described as an offense towards hinduism in the least.And of course it was not my intention either to post it here to create tension or an offense. By no means! Love Barbara > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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