Ganesha's Trunk/Cricket

[Guest guest]

Ya got a point there about letting the right curver unfold in time. Ganesha

touches every soul in different ways, whether the curver is right or left. I

have a few right curvers (previously discussed on this List earlier this

year...). And it was one of the right curver Murtis that brought the flames on

my altar up to the ceiling (but nothing was burnt though) a few days before the

end of a 40-day sadhana.

The fella who 'created' the Ganesha just to bless Indian cricket players;

perhaps it was just his own initiative and individual way of worship.. And

persnal patriotism. Of course Ganesha is older than India, no doubt about

that. Wishing ya a nice weekend.

Ommm,

Sy

Scott Hutton <hmshutton > wrote:I'd like to say it did this or did

that but there are somewhere over a dozen Ganesh rupas in this apartment (to

say nothing of all that's stored on my hard drive) so it's impossible to say

who's transponding what...but this l'il right curver...well, there's something

special about 'm. And I'm leavin it to him to out himself in his own time.BTW,

that Ganesh is an Indian god who only blesses Indian soccer players? Twaddle.

Ganesh is older than India.

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[Guest guest]

Namaste List,

Though this is not directly related to the current string of thought of

these posts, it is however noteworthy to consider thusly:

 

The form of Ganesha, though fashioned from a 'seer' or 'rishi' is

iconographical. There is not in the literal sense some elephant headed form the

size of a human floating in an ether somewhere.

 

This does not mean that Lord Ganesha is not real, not at all. What it means is

that the symbology which is so rich in the icon (every aspect of it has a

meaning) represents the all pervasive aspect of the shakti of auspicious

beginnings, beginning with the beginning of manifestation, and threaded

throughout the whole of manifestation. The icon represents this great Shakti

because our minds cannot comprehend its all-pervasive authority, and so gives

the mind a concrete symbol in front of the eyes to meditate upon. When we

worship Lord Ganesha, we are worshipping that Shakti within us to manifest

Itself in our lives, for the shakti chakra or wheel of the entire group of

shaktis is in the Heart.

 

The icon is thus an 'exterior' focal point by which we worship in order to

realize it 'internally', which thusly expands our vision to include the whole

of manifest and non manifest Reality.

 

Guru Om,

Markandeya

[Guest guest]

Your post reminds me of the Orthodox Christian (i.e., NOT Rome, and

certainly not the Protestants) definition of "icon," which is

doorway into Other. All true icons are, I think, shamanic, no

matter what tradition they express. In a more physical context,

they are transponders.

 

I must, however, take issue with your saying the elephant image is

nowhere in the ethers...the ethers, it seems to me, hold everything;

that is a part of their function. If it can be imagined, it's out

There somewhere. And thus holds the potential of manifesting here.

However:

 

Nothing which can be imagined, it seems to me, is beyond

imagination. Imagination is a function of our Smaller Mind. We

all, as your post implies, do well to nourish the humility that

keeps imagination in its place...even whilst acknowledging the

spiritual riches it allows. However:

 

Imagining is not cosmic; it strives towards the cosmic. That is, at

once, its limitation and its magick.

 

Our Larger Heart/Mind, of course, is a Mystery at whose threshold we

remain eternally paralyzed in semi-trance. We call the therapies to

unlock that entrancement "religion".

 

 

Much love,

 

Scott

 

 

 

 

, "M" <trika@b...> wrote:

> Namaste List,

> Though this is not directly related to the current string of

thought of these posts, it is however noteworthy to consider thusly:

>

> The form of Ganesha, though fashioned from a 'seer' or 'rishi' is

iconographical. There is not in the literal sense some elephant

headed form the size of a human floating in an ether somewhere.

>

> This does not mean that Lord Ganesha is not real, not at all. What

it means is that the symbology which is so rich in the icon (every

aspect of it has a meaning) represents the all pervasive aspect of

the shakti of auspicious beginnings, beginning with the beginning of

manifestation, and threaded throughout the whole of manifestation.

The icon represents this great Shakti because our minds cannot

comprehend its all-pervasive authority, and so gives the mind a

concrete symbol in front of the eyes to meditate upon. When we

worship Lord Ganesha, we are worshipping that Shakti within us to

manifest Itself in our lives, for the shakti chakra or wheel of the

entire group of shaktis is in the Heart.

>

> The icon is thus an 'exterior' focal point by which we worship in

order to realize it 'internally', which thusly expands our vision to

include the whole of manifest and non manifest Reality.

>

> Guru Om,

> Markandeya

[Guest guest]

Nothing which can be imagined, it seems to me, is beyond imagination.

Imagination is a function of our Smaller Mind. We all, as your post implies,

do well to nourish the humility that keeps imagination in its place...even

whilst acknowledging the spiritual riches it allows. However:Imagining is not

cosmic; it strives towards the cosmic. That is, at once, its limitation and

its magick. Our Larger Heart/Mind, of course, is a Mystery at whose threshold

we remain eternally paralyzed in semi-trance. We call the therapies to unlock

that entrancement "religion".

 

 

Whatever gets you by Scott, but I would caution against believing there is a

human sized person with an Elephant's head sitting on a throne in some 'place'.

Ganesha permeates the universe, not just some 'spot' from where 'he' rules, and

the idols or icons or whatever we want to call them, those points in time and

space that are ripe in meaning with all their symbolism, are meant to turn us

inwards towards the Self, not outwards into some 'other worldly place'. All the

various deities are the various Shaktis of the Adi Shakti, Parameshwara, and our

icons, idols, or symbols, whatever word you would like to use are to aid us in

fostering the Truth of the all-pervasiveness of this Adi Shakti from within.

All is within. This is the Truth.

 

Keep on keeping on

 

Guru Om

Markandeya