Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:53:38 -0600 "M" <trika writes: > > Whatever gets you by Scott, but I would caution against > believing there is a human sized person with an Elephant's head > sitting on a throne in some 'place'. Not necessarily human-sized. He rides on a rat. I"d rather NOT imagine a rat that a human-sized being could ride! Like all beings in Deva-loka, Ganesha's size is variable, he rides giggling on an electron, and the apparent expansion of the universe is his belly making room for more sweets. > Ganesha permeates the universe, > not just some 'spot' from where 'he' rules, and the idols or icons > or whatever we want to call them, those points in time and space > that are ripe in meaning with all their symbolism, are meant to turn > us inwards towards the Self, not outwards into some 'other worldly > place'. Just as Agni (Fire) can burn in many places and still be the same being, Ganesha is encoded in every (human) nervous system. That's why rapping one's own temples and tugging one's earlobes will stimulate him. Ideally, the most perfect <murthi> of Ganesha is the one each being installs in his/her heart. > All the various deities are the various Shaktis of the Adi > Shakti, Parameshwara, The Shaktis are the <energies> of the deities, which manifest them immanently in the world of form. The deities are transcendental potentialities, inaccessible without their Shaktis. Traditionally, Shaktis are potrayed as female, so the feminine ending is more appropriate (<Parameshwar-i>). The exception is Ganesha, often seen as an "honorary Shakti" because he deputises for Parvati, and is seen as the Power (Shakti) to Begin Again. The other Primordial Shaktis are Jnana Shakti (the Power to Know); Iccha Shakti (the Power to Will); Kriya Shakti (the Power to Act); and Shanta Shakti (the Power to Make Peace). There are other Shaktis, but they aren't Primordial. > and our icons, idols, or symbols, whatever > word you would like to use are to aid us in fostering the Truth of > the all-pervasiveness of this Adi Shakti from within. All is within. > This is the Truth. What appears to be outside is just the reflection of Samsara. -- Len/ Kalipadma ______________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 The Shaktis are the <energies> of the deities, which manifest themimmanently in the world of form. The deities are transcendentalpotentialities, inaccessible without their Shaktis. Traditionally, Shaktis are potrayed as female, so the feminine ending is moreappropriate (<Parameshwar-i>).The exception is Ganesha, often seen as an "honorary Shakti" because hedeputises for Parvati, and is seen as the Power (Shakti) to Begin Again. > I enjoyed your colorful metaphors, nice. You know, I was onced asked by a friend of mine about Ganesha. This friend happened to be an architect and designer. I told him that Ganesha is the first move and the first substance of manifest Reality. Ganesh can be thought of as the blueprint and design of the fabric of existence. He is Beginnings, Dharma, auspiciousness, and the consequesnces of not realizing them. He is the first primal move of manifest Reality, which is why he is narrated in stories as the 'first born' son of SHiva and Parvati. The other Primordial Shaktis are Jnana Shakti (the Power to Know); IcchaShakti (the Power to Will); Kriya Shakti (the Power to Act); and ShantaShakti (the Power to Make Peace). There are other Shaktis, but theyaren't Primordial. They are not primordial in action, but it must be understood that the primordial is inherent in every atom and every moment. The Heart is everywhere, manifest reality and the shakti chakra are in non difference with the Supreme just as the waves, though they may take a definite shape and form, are nothing but water.> and our icons, idols, or symbols, whatever > word you would like to use are to aid us in fostering the Truth of > the all-pervasiveness of this Adi Shakti from within. All is within. > This is the Truth.What appears to be outside is just the reflection of Samsara. >Well said Guru Om Markandeya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 Within is without; without is within - oh my gawd!!! what confusion we're in! Maha Scottso (and someone please pass the kapala...) , Black Lotus L Rosenberg <kalipadma@j...> wrote: > > > On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:53:38 -0600 "M" <trika@b...> writes: > > > > Whatever gets you by Scott, but I would caution against > > believing there is a human sized person with an Elephant's head > > sitting on a throne in some 'place'. > > Not necessarily human-sized. He rides on a rat. I"d rather NOT imagine > a rat that a human-sized being could ride! Like all beings in Deva-loka, > Ganesha's size is variable, he rides giggling on an electron, and the > apparent expansion of the universe is his belly making room for more > sweets. > > > > Ganesha permeates the universe, > > not just some 'spot' from where 'he' rules, and the idols or icons > > or whatever we want to call them, those points in time and space > > that are ripe in meaning with all their symbolism, are meant to turn > > us inwards towards the Self, not outwards into some 'other worldly > > place'. > > Just as Agni (Fire) can burn in many places and still be the same being, > Ganesha is encoded in every (human) nervous system. That's why rapping > one's own temples and tugging one's earlobes will stimulate him. > Ideally, the most perfect <murthi> of Ganesha is the one each being > installs in his/her heart. > > > > All the various deities are the various Shaktis of the Adi > > Shakti, Parameshwara, > > > The Shaktis are the <energies> of the deities, which manifest them > immanently in the world of form. The deities are transcendental > potentialities, inaccessible without their Shaktis. Traditionally, > Shaktis are potrayed as female, so the feminine ending is more > appropriate (<Parameshwar-i>). > > The exception is Ganesha, often seen as an "honorary Shakti" because he > deputises for Parvati, and is seen as the Power (Shakti) to Begin Again. > > The other Primordial Shaktis are Jnana Shakti (the Power to Know); Iccha > Shakti (the Power to Will); Kriya Shakti (the Power to Act); and Shanta > Shakti (the Power to Make Peace). There are other Shaktis, but they > aren't Primordial. > > > > and our icons, idols, or symbols, whatever > > word you would like to use are to aid us in fostering the Truth of > > the all-pervasiveness of this Adi Shakti from within. All is within. > > This is the Truth. > > What appears to be outside is just the reflection of Samsara. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > ______________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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