Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 Hi Scott... I think I´ve seen recently on the net, a picture of a statue where two Ganesha´s were hugging themselves a femenine and masculine Ganesha. You wouldn´t recognise wich one is wich. For me Ganesha has both sexs and none at the same time.I tend to think he is closer to the idea of hermaphroditism although in the relative level of things he may appear in a "masculine" shape. In terms of sexuality we need both polarities masculine/femenine (the inner polarities) , so if the kundalini energy is a sexual energy able to be transformed into pure spiritual energy, it seems obvious that if Ganesha is its guardian he is covering both aspects needed, the masculine and the femenine.... Best wishes Barbara Ps. By the way Scott, wich lineage you said you belonged to in another post about buddhism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 Man, if you could scare up that image, I'd sure admire to see it... My lineage is Nyingma/Kargyu...though, since the Karmapa is considered a Nyingma lineage holder, the distinction is of questionable import. I have a thanka of a 10-headed Ganesh with consort...a mysterious painting indeed...a terma teaching, I expect...doesn't look like any other Ganesh I ever saw. Of course, those Nyingma thankas...none of them looks like any other Ganesh you ever saw...though it's not unusual for Padmasambhava to be floatin around in the sky above... My "root lama" once said that we'd eventually start our own lineages...I like to think that I'm headed in that direction...thought it's lives away...away from What Was to What Is Now....and I get a sense of that transformation from the old Nyingma Ganesh thankas...they dealt with Ganesh their way... I am REALLY getting this "new way" trip with Kali...man, I haven't done a damned thing right to honor her, except act like a spoiled 2- year old (ever throw a tantrum at Gawd? try it...) or horsey adolescent or old man who's been chummy with his Mum his whole life...and she's got a great sense of fun...and death itself will be a time for partying....and it's like she moved in...I'm over 60 and m'Ma's livin' with me! oh, hell? where did THAT come from? We we're talking gawd-genders, huh? Gawd is male. Except when Gawd's female. And sometimes they ain't neither. That's one thing I learned. Another is divine energy ALWAYS moves clockwise. Except when it moves widdershins.... Consider: one version of Ganesh's beginning is that the Goddess formed her/him from body scrapings...ol' G is formed entirely from Mother Matter...and Dad had nuthin to do with it...strange, huh? But, man, if you could scare up that image.... s , "aqesa" <aqesa> wrote: > Hi Scott... > > I think I´ve seen recently on the net, a picture of a statue where two > Ganesha´s were hugging themselves a femenine and masculine Ganesha. You > wouldn´t recognise wich one is wich. For me Ganesha has both sexs and > none at the same time.I tend to think he is closer to the idea of > hermaphroditism although in the relative level of things he may appear > in a "masculine" shape. > > In terms of sexuality we need both polarities masculine/femenine (the > inner polarities) , so if the kundalini energy is a sexual energy able > to be transformed into pure spiritual energy, it seems obvious that if > Ganesha is its guardian he is covering both aspects needed, the > masculine and the femenine.... > > Best wishes > Barbara > > Ps. By the way Scott, wich lineage you said you belonged to in another > post about buddhism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2002 Report Share Posted December 1, 2002 LOL Scott...I will do my best to find the image...don´t promess anything though... Well yes I thought you would be part of the Nyangma and well, yes, Kagyu seems quite close at least its the natural process I´ve been lead to aswell.. Now I am trying to figure out what are the dzogchen teachings all about...Since Padma made it quite clear in his Self Libertation that this was the first and last teaching well...I´m trying to turn in round circles for a while exploring before I go back to the root of this teaching. Best wishes Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2002 Report Share Posted December 1, 2002 Well I am CERTAINLY NOT accredited to speak publicly on dzogchen but I'd suggest looking into the following: Kashmir Sivaism, Zen and Ch'an. But there's no real need to go past The Great Liberation. When in doubt, ask Ganesh or Kali to help you know Shiva better... s (if you find lots and lots of words, that ain't dzogchen...that's talkin about it...) , "aqesa" <aqesa> wrote: > LOL Scott...I will do my best to find the image...don´t promess > anything though... > > Well yes I thought you would be part of the Nyangma and well, yes, > Kagyu seems quite close at least its the natural process I´ve been lead > to aswell.. Now I am trying to figure out what are the dzogchen > teachings all about...Since Padma made it quite clear in his Self > Libertation that this was the first and last teaching well...I´m trying > to turn in round circles for a while exploring before I go back to the > root of this teaching. > > Best wishes > Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Hi Scott Sorry I am trying to find the image but until now, no result...I´ll keep on browsing ... As for the dzogchen, well...apparently everyone seems to say you need a master to receive direct introduction to the nature of the mind. So far I´ve made some attempts to find one, or a retreat where they would do so here in Europe and well...things aren´t flowing much so on the intuitive side, I´ll leave it for the moment and continue meditating thanks to Padma´s teaching on self liberation wich I think is the best I can do for the moment. Time will tell if I am or not to meet a master on the physical realm. For me, and of course I am not either the best one to speak on dzogchen, I think the best to do is to work on the VIEW, seing with nacked awareness and letting things self manifest and self liberate themselves without the interfearance of this heavy "I" that tends to grab and hold at every cloud. And gain a stable view during the whole day and night. In other words, its a practice of the non practice but to not do this, we need to increase the presence of mindfulness and awareness...so even if I don´t find a dzogchen master for the moment, I think I´ve got a lot to work on for now...and who knows, maybe there is no need for a master. Just to keep on working with endurance. By the way, the clouds here in the south of spain are forming beautiful OMs (om-Aum)....amazing! Love Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 , "aqesa" <aqesa> wrote: > > As for the dzogchen, well...apparently everyone seems to say you need a > master to receive direct introduction to the nature of the mind. It is instantaneous. It is wordless. It is offerred at once. It might, however, take years to figure out that that's what happened without your realizing it...usually, if you're normal, because you were fussing about something else... Beware of the gurus who blather on and on about IT...they're full of an s-word that rhymes with IT.... If you want to find a Dzogchen master...ask Ganesh to remove the obstacles between you and her... s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 if realisation of the true nature of mind needs and depends upon a dzogchen Master who gives direct transmission, then yes, I will have to ask Ganesha to remove the obstacles and Padmasambhava to guide me towards the master.Meanwhile...life continues and the personal work continues aswell... kisses and love Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 Oh hell, like the book said: realization doesn't care how you get there....s , "aqesa" <aqesa> wrote: > if realisation of the true nature of mind needs and depends upon a > dzogchen Master who gives direct transmission, then yes, I will have to > ask Ganesha to remove the obstacles and Padmasambhava to guide me > towards the master.Meanwhile...life continues and the personal work > continues aswell... > > kisses and love > Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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