Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Yes, I agree Scott, but this comes back again to the same subject of: In wich level of things are we speaking? In the relative level, there are many things to protect, specifically our intentions/motivations/practices/actions/attitudes, what can destabilise this? basically unmindfulness and wrong view or wrong action...or even our reaction to others..or even Mara or Evil (Mara and Evil not understood as something external to us, but as something internal, fruit of ignorance and lack of awareness). Look at buddhist or other traditions practising meditation, all of them have specific protection techniques to protect this sacred practice, why? because on the relative level, since you open yourself fully during a meditation you can probably receive other influences, call them Mara or whatever. So in the relative level, there are such practises as you mentioned before, like a circle of light, or an invocation to Mahakala or Ganesha or whatever deity that acts during your meditation as a protector. Of course, in the absolute level there is nothing to protect since there is nothing and no one there to be protected. I remember an invocation chanted by Padmasambhava while subduing demons in Tibet, he said to them he was intouchable because whatever manifestation appeared to him was recognised as its own mind. ..let me search the exact quotation of Pema Jungné subduing demons in order to found the Samyé Monastry in Tibet: Pema Jungné:"Knowing all conceptions and thoughts to be nothing other than one's own mind, I am beyond hope and fear. Nothing can injure me, nobody can harm me. Clearly knowing that in the true nature of primordial openness there are no gods and no demons, what ever you might try to do can never affect my realization and understanding. You cannot change one atom. In trying to harm me, you only reveal that your mind is deluded." Love Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Hon, I have just spent four hectic Manhattan days computer-crunching numbers, writing financial statements and trouble shooting the computer woes of half an office. I can NOT do words tonight. I'm not even grokking the words I'm typing now. Just checking in briefly...then I'm going to haul out a DVD and watch either GISELLE or SWAN LAKE (it must be something utterly non-verbal - my left brain is cramped, only the ballet undoes that). So I simply can't address the questions you raise. Maybe one of the younger ones here... Over and out, this has been a recording.....s , "aqesa <aqesa>" <aqesa> wrote: > Yes, I agree Scott, but this comes back again to the same subject of: > In wich level of things are we speaking? > > In the relative level, there are many things to protect, specifically > our intentions/motivations/practices/actions/attitudes, what can > destabilise this? basically unmindfulness and wrong view or wrong > action...or even our reaction to others..or even Mara or Evil (Mara > and Evil not understood as something external to us, but as something > internal, fruit of ignorance and lack of awareness). > > Look at buddhist or other traditions practising meditation, all of them > have specific protection techniques to protect this sacred practice, > why? because on the relative level, since you open yourself fully > during a meditation you can probably receive other influences, call > them Mara or whatever. So in the relative level, there are such > practises as you mentioned before, like a circle of light, or an > invocation to Mahakala or Ganesha or whatever deity that acts during > your meditation as a protector. > > Of course, in the absolute level there is nothing to protect since > there is nothing and no one there to be protected. I remember an > invocation chanted by Padmasambhava while subduing demons in Tibet, he > said to them he was intouchable because whatever manifestation appeared > to him was recognised as its own mind. ..let me search the exact > quotation of Pema Jungné subduing demons in order to found the Samyé > Monastry in Tibet: > > Pema Jungné:"Knowing all conceptions and thoughts to be nothing other > than one's own mind, I am beyond hope and fear. Nothing can injure me, > nobody can harm me. Clearly knowing that in the true > nature of primordial openness there are no gods and no demons, what > ever you might try to do can never affect my realization and > understanding. You cannot change one atom. In trying to > harm me, you only reveal that your mind is deluded." > > Love > Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 Take it easy and enjoy the ballet! if it doesn´t work jump on your bed screamming wrathfully whatever nonsens comes out! Kisses Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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