Guest guest Posted June 24, 1999 Report Share Posted June 24, 1999 Hi to All A warm welcome to all our recent rs. I have recently been involved in a very interesting thread over on the Kundalini Mailing List (Kundalini Basically we were discussing the effectiveness of Kundalini Yoga in both preparing the body for a possible subsequent Kundalini awakening, and also in prompting this awakening to occur. There was some controversy especially over what we define as an awakening - if it is the full-blown thing or some paler resemblance of it. I'm reproducing my original reply to Dr Morris, one of the owners over at the Kundalini List. I'm sure he won't mind me so doing. This raises a lot of points fundamental to our science and practice. I would like to know if anyone has any view on this, if anyone disagrees with anything, or if anyone, possibly new to this list, would like some basic points clarified. It would be nice to get some meaningful discussion going on here now and again! ;-) Sat Nam! Gordon > "gordon" <gordon > > Glenn Morris <spider1 > > An exception is kundalini yoga practitioners > > who attempt to prepare the body for the kundalini experience, but their > > record for actually achieving the kundalini isn't very good. At least, > I've > > never heard of anyone doing kundalini yoga actually having a classic, > > full-blown kundalini awakening. > > Glenn > > I saw this comment last week but did not have time to reply then. I don't > doubt what you say insofar as KY practitioners never seem to report the > full-blown K symptoms - could it be because the symptoms are really evidence > of unpreparedness for a K awakening. Could it perhaps be the case that where > the body, nervous system, etc has been strengthened before the awakening, > then this becomes a relatively innocuous event, hardly worth commenting > upon? Many experienced KY practitioners with whom I speak claim to have a > fully awakened K, but find the whole experience pleasurable rather than > alarming. > I have been practising for around a year now, and although my K is not awake > in the accepted sense, my awareness of it is becoming quite finely tuned, > and I can monitor a steady and ongoing increase in my chakra activity and > internal energy levels. > > Just a point to ponder on. > > Namaste > Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 1999 Report Share Posted June 24, 1999 Interesting point. I read this on the KUNDALINI list. To me, the term "awakening" means the beginning of activity and maybe not so much the "full blown" experience. I have had some experiences of late that have led me to believe that the kundalini energy is "awakening" or being "aroused" in myself. Dr. Morris has referred to my experience as the "kriyas" not actual kundalini but a precurser of it. All I know is that an energy is present now that was not felt before. It seems to make sense that kundalini can and does take either route. And I see the possibility of people rousing kundalini without even being aware of it. Perhaps many "yogis" and dedicated practitioners of the martial arts and yoga traditions have assimilated the kundalini energy into their being without the shock of a full blown experience and perhaps there are those who have active kundalini and don't even realize it because it has been there from the beginning. Is this possible? ~Ronni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 1999 Report Share Posted June 25, 1999 Gordon, - in response to the email which has gone out recently regarding the "Kundalini Awakening" I'm no expert on Kundalini Yoga, but I have been practicing on and off for 5 years or more. I also have the benefit on experience practicing Transcendental Meditation way back in the early 70's. What I have experienced through my own practice and others is that the "Kundalini Awakening" is not some magical and sudden awakening like getting high, but rather a slow and gradual process like the opening of a flower. The practice of KY prepares the mind and the body to achieve higher and higher states of consciousness. Each experience is very personal and unique, and largely depends on where each person is 'AT' when they begin their practice and how long and how often they practice. And also depends on what baggage they bring with them when they begin. When I first began doing KY nearly 13 years ago I had just been through a divorce and a major change in my life. I found that the KY helped me with all those issues within myself that had led me to that place in my life. (Lots & Lots of personal Baggage). As I progressed, like the peeling of an onion, the STUFF came off or out in layers. I strongly disagree with Dr. Morris's comment "record for actually achieving the kundalini isn't very good." Like any spiritual journey it takes time and practice. Compared with other spiritual paths like Zen Buddhism, KY works much more quickly and powerfully. To pursue the same goal through other pathways would take years even decades to achieve the same kind of results. -Rita J. (a very new member) gordon [gordon] Thursday, June 24, 1999 11:29 AM Kundaliniyoga Fw: [KUNDALINI] Kundalini Yoga "gordon" <gordon Hi to All A warm welcome to all our recent rs. I have recently been involved in a very interesting thread over on the Kundalini Mailing List (Kundalini Basically we were discussing the effectiveness of Kundalini Yoga in both preparing the body for a possible subsequent Kundalini awakening, and also in prompting this awakening to occur. There was some controversy especially over what we define as an awakening - if it is the full-blown thing or some paler resemblance of it. I'm reproducing my original reply to Dr Morris, one of the owners over at the Kundalini List. I'm sure he won't mind me so doing. This raises a lot of points fundamental to our science and practice. I would like to know if anyone has any view on this, if anyone disagrees with anything, or if anyone, possibly new to this list, would like some basic points clarified. It would be nice to get some meaningful discussion going on here now and again! ;-) Sat Nam! Gordon > "gordon" <gordon > > Glenn Morris <spider1 > > An exception is kundalini yoga practitioners > > who attempt to prepare the body for the kundalini experience, but their > > record for actually achieving the kundalini isn't very good. At least, > I've > > never heard of anyone doing kundalini yoga actually having a classic, > > full-blown kundalini awakening. > > Glenn > > I saw this comment last week but did not have time to reply then. I don't > doubt what you say insofar as KY practitioners never seem to report the > full-blown K symptoms - could it be because the symptoms are really evidence > of unpreparedness for a K awakening. Could it perhaps be the case that where > the body, nervous system, etc has been strengthened before the awakening, > then this becomes a relatively innocuous event, hardly worth commenting > upon? Many experienced KY practitioners with whom I speak claim to have a > fully awakened K, but find the whole experience pleasurable rather than > alarming. > I have been practising for around a year now, and although my K is not awake > in the accepted sense, my awareness of it is becoming quite finely tuned, > and I can monitor a steady and ongoing increase in my chakra activity and > internal energy levels. > > Just a point to ponder on. > > Namaste > Gordon --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: the best source for group communications. Join a new list today! ------ "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" - Yogi Bhajan Check out our website: http://www.gtmark.com/ky/index.htm To from this list, go to ONElist Member Center, or send mail to Kundaliniyoga- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 1999 Report Share Posted June 26, 1999 Hi Rita Thank you for your posting and for sharing your experiences with us. It is a gradual process and because of this it is normally a safe way to handle the sometimes awesome power of the Kundalini. You have obviously a much greater experience of this than myself, but even in my case I have gone from nothing a year ago to experiencing today for the first time the feeling of Kundalini energy entering the region above my throat chakra and starting to work on my third eye. Meditation is a most important part - doing the sets without meditating is like leaving the icing off the cake. Since I started meditating on a daily basis I have noticed substantial additional benefits. The build-up is on-going, and the longer the period over which someone practices the greater the benefits that accrue. I don't know where Dr Morris got his figures from - because of the gradualness of the awakening it is hard to quantify its level at any give time, and because the body is more prepared for its effects it is almost impossible to make a valid comparison with someone whose K may have been awakened suddenly by some kind of trauma, for instance. Finally, Kundalini Yoga is rightly called the mother of all yogas. The various yoga paths that have sprung up can all be traced back to a root in Kundalini Yoga, which encompasses elements of them all. The combined effect of the practice of asanas, breath control, mantra, mudra, devotion, meditation and the various locks is much more effective and productive than that of the individual components taken in isolation, and it is for this reason that K Yoga produces such quick results for its practitioners. Sat Nam! Gordon > "Johnson, Rita E." <RITA.E.JOHNSON > > Gordon, - in response to the email which has gone out recently regarding > the > "Kundalini Awakening" > > I'm no expert on Kundalini Yoga, but I have been practicing on and off > for 5 years or more. I also have the benefit on experience practicing > Transcendental Meditation way back in the early 70's. What I have > experienced through my own practice and others is that the "Kundalini > Awakening" is not some magical and sudden awakening like getting high, > but rather a slow and gradual process like the opening of a flower. > The practice of KY prepares the mind and the body to achieve higher and > higher states of consciousness. Each experience is very personal and > unique, and largely depends on where each person is 'AT' when they begin > their practice and how long and how often they practice. And also depends > on what baggage they bring with them when they begin. When I first began > doing KY nearly 13 years ago I had just been through a divorce and a major > change in my life. I found that the KY helped me with all those issues > within myself that had led me to that place in my life. (Lots & Lots of > personal Baggage). As I progressed, like the peeling of an onion, the STUFF > > came off or out in layers. > > I strongly disagree with Dr. Morris's comment "record for actually achieving > > the kundalini isn't very good." Like any spiritual journey it takes time > and > practice. Compared with other spiritual paths like Zen Buddhism, KY works > much > more quickly and powerfully. To pursue the same goal through other pathways > > would take years even decades to achieve the same kind of results. > > > -Rita J. (a very new member) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passionate-freak Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Hello everyone, It seems as if the whole world has realized the essence of life and the importance of the ancient science in modern age. Around two decades of rambling brought me at the place where I am today with entire satisfation to the inner core of my existence. The heart of the KY is the celebacy... how come a sexual active human can get that perfect awakening !!! Never. Still there are other things on the way. Deeds of past lives haunts our existence and our attempts to the frustration and we start thinking the whole things is fake. IT's what all the finest men of the history emphasized on the Real Capable Guru. Untill and unless you don't go to the person who has awakened the 7th Chakra him/herself you ain't be getting to the perfectness. Too many of self-proclaimed Gurus who don't know celebacy how they can guide anyone to the perfection ??? No way. So, I plea all the seekers of the truth, there's only few years of life remaining of the person I know...with the 7th Chakra awakening. HEard of anyone who have conquered the death in present time ??? Anyone with third eye activation can do it. The person I'm with can live or die on own desire and promissed to be with us few years and will go to her native place. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passionate-freak Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Sorry I forgot, if an aspirant is practicing in own then it could take really long... even Kriya Yoga could take that time and any form of Yoga take the same amount of time. But if you are under the Self awakened Guru...it depends on your inner desires... how much dedicated you are... a true love without selfishness...devotion...faith...belief on Guru can lead you to the perfection in no time. A real Guru seeks nothing but the unconditional love from your heart. And I bet you people have never been to that kind of Guru and untill you don't sacrifice your self-centeredness you won't. This is a disturbing truth this kind of Guru is not found easily. I found my Guru after the suffocation of around 2 decades!!! I've felt the essence ... what a Guru looks like and what a disciple gotta be... If you have the Guts come vacating yourself ... a real Guru seeks nothing, nothing material...but only TRUE LOVE. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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