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In a message dated 9/5/99 7:18:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Sokoloff writes:

 

<< Zenbob - I believe SLapla was asking if you had found a "skilled

instructor" of Tantric sex techniques. After reading your post to Ali,

I'm also quite interested in your answer to that question.

>>

Yes, I understand, but I think that these things go together, unless one

limits the question to "training partner" of which I have had the unique

experience of having a very skilled Tantra Partner who was Japanese and

understood the most subtle nuances of feeling, motion, focus and

coordination. I was fortunate in that this training occurred when I was very

young, in my early twenties. It provided me with a baseline of experience

and control that was exceptional...as (no harm intended here) most young men

have little skill, little restraint or control and rarely seek to find the

harmony of their partner as a preeminent technique. Since my trainer had

been involved in both Buddhist, Martial Arts and 3HO, I think I was most

fortunate. If there are 3HO centers near your area, you might wish to meet

others there and ask their recommendations regarding classes, programs and

activities where you might meet people that would be willing to share such

training with you.

 

Blessings

Love,

 

Zenbob

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Zenbob - I'm not looking for a Tantra teacher myself. My concern,

actually, was that while you were very careful to warn Ali about younger

males who would only be looking for an exciting sexual adventure, you

didn't mention what in MY experience as a woman has been a much greater

problem - that OLDER males are very eager to offer themselves as "skilled,

experienced partners" - expecially to young people of college age, as Ali

seems to be.

 

"I'm a Tantric sex master" has got to be one of the oldest metaphysical

pick up lines in the book.

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In a message dated 9/8/99 6:42:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Sokoloff writes:

 

<< "I'm a Tantric sex master" has got to be one of the oldest metaphysical

pick up lines in the book.

>>

Dear Alex:

 

You are so very right! Why didn't I ever use that line? Heck, at least I

had some basic background...LOL

 

I think this is a sad, but true concern. Perhaps there is no absolute

"litmus" test of genuine selfless instructors...but an instructor needs to

have a solid reputation and should be eager to instruct and assist and

reluctant to become physically involved. Therein lies the trap of attachment

and complications that are all too well known.

 

"Do as I suggest...do not do with me" might be a motto. :)

 

Warm Regards,

Blessings

Zenbob

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In a message dated 9/8/99 12:16:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

siobhan_kolker writes:

 

<<

In other words, tantric student, know thyself! Then seek a teacher, and

remain unnattached to the result of any ONE person having the answers

you seek.

 

>>

 

Dear Siobhan:

 

My how that name is like a song in my heart. Don't know exactly why, but I

get electrical tingles when I hear it. I have some strange Celtic link that

I cannot fully fathom, being Swiss Italian German...I just don't know...but I

am a bit of a Druid at heart...poetry, stories, teaching all appeal to me.

 

Your thoughtful and detailed response was superb. I am going to keep this in

my files and utilize this as a much valued resource. I find that students

value the words of others often more than from their own teacher alone...and

rightly so, particularly if the teacher makes a point of discouraging the

type of worshipful attitudes so often common in these relationships.

 

Finally, another thought has occurred to me. Could a good teacher instruct

by using video of proper techniques, also use volunteer partners in a class

to demonstrate posture and general techniques, thereby basically avoiding the

direct conflict of "one on one" teaching when it comes to the specific areas

of sexual contact or union? I know, this takes all the joy out of teaching

and now it's just "work, work, work" like any other job. LOL

 

Your views and sincere feelings are most welcome...and I am expressing that

to the entire group. I also realize, that like all things, should a student

and a teacher who are both adults and respectful of one another, choose to

enter into a very physical and sexually based relationship in order to

further develop...and that both are clearly aware of the "risks" and

"benefits" that this should not be considered, by itself some terrible thing.

It is, as

Siobhan so eloquently stated, easily abused and usually it is the younger,

less experienced and idealistic student (often female) who is injured

emotionally and otherwise.

 

Hey, we could produce our own series of videos...

Any volunteers? I know several highly esteemed Tantra Masters...

 

 

:)))

 

Blessings

Love,

 

Zenbob

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Dear Zenbob, Alex, et al,

 

Funny this topic should be arising as there is a long article this

month in Yoga Journal about the power issues involved in teaching yoga.

Because it is a spiritual practice, it is easy for students to deify

their teachers/gurus, and easy for flawed/complicated, i.e. "human"

teachers to enjoy the power rush. Problems can ensue for both parties!

 

What I've learned from experience, is that putting any teacher on a

pedestal is bound to be harmful to both the teacher and the student.

In fact, assigning any human being superhuman qualities, or the title

of "perfect" is going to lead to trouble. It's like Rattana said in

her email yesterday "Giving and Receiving:" human relationships are

about balance and "The more conscious we become, the more

possible it is to consciously choose a path of alignment and balance."

 

The more you know yourself, accept yourself as a fluid balance of inner

goodness and practical failings, you will be better able to judge the

intentions and clear mindedness of others. If you are not blinded by

the false hope of a quick fix (so sorry for the pun) from someone else,

then you will be able to see imposters for what they are. Also, you

can accept the right-intentioned teachers for who they are, and not lay

the burden of your enlightenment in their hands.

 

The people who have hindered me most in my life have been those who

desired that I see them, and myself, as perfect (in the Western sense!

not in the sense that everything is perfect as it is, and that we each

have goodness within). The beings who have aided me most are those who

do not expect me to be anything but myself, and who know themselves to

have both expertise and limitations (goodness and flaws)...who are both

humble and knowlegeable.

 

In other words, tantric student, know thyself! Then seek a teacher, and

remain unnattached to the result of any ONE person having the answers

you seek.

 

Sat Nam,

Siobhan

 

 

p.s to Zenbob...I very much enjoyed your "explanations" of love and sex

yesterday. The Tantric sex masters of the world should learn them. ;)

 

 

--- ZEN2WRK wrote:

> ZEN2WRK

>

> In a message dated 9/8/99 6:42:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Sokoloff writes:

>

> << "I'm a Tantric sex master" has got to be one of the oldest

> metaphysical

> pick up lines in the book.

> >>

> Dear Alex:

>

> You are so very right! Why didn't I ever use that line? Heck, at

> least I

> had some basic background...LOL

>

> I think this is a sad, but true concern. Perhaps there is no

> absolute

> "litmus" test of genuine selfless instructors...but an instructor

> needs to

> have a solid reputation and should be eager to instruct and assist

> and

> reluctant to become physically involved. Therein lies the trap of

> attachment

> and complications that are all too well known.

>

> "Do as I suggest...do not do with me" might be a motto. :)

>

> Warm Regards,

> Blessings

> Zenbob

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check out www.himalayaninstitute.org/ They have been doing a series on

Tantra -- and have videos of each series so far.

 

pamela

 

"It is only possible to live happily ever

after on a day to day basis."

-- Margaret Bonnano

 

 

 

Alex Sokoloff <Sokoloff

INTERNET:Kundaliniyoga <Kundaliniyoga >

Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:42 AM

Re: Tantra Teachers, Rare But Priceless

 

 

>Alex Sokoloff <Sokoloff

>

>Zenbob - I'm not looking for a Tantra teacher myself. My concern,

>actually, was that while you were very careful to warn Ali about younger

>males who would only be looking for an exciting sexual adventure, you

>didn't mention what in MY experience as a woman has been a much greater

>problem - that OLDER males are very eager to offer themselves as "skilled,

>experienced partners" - expecially to young people of college age, as Ali

>seems to be.

>

>"I'm a Tantric sex master" has got to be one of the oldest metaphysical

>pick up lines in the book.

>

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Dear Siobhan,

 

Sat Nam. Thank you for sharing your clear and inspiring summary of the

topic of being a human-teacher and a human-student. These are lessons we

all seem to be confronted with. Your words are wise.

 

Sat Nam,

 

Rattana

 

 

> Funny this topic should be arising as there is a long article this

> month in Yoga Journal about the power issues involved in teaching yoga.

> Because it is a spiritual practice, it is easy for students to deify

> their teachers/gurus, and easy for flawed/complicated, i.e. "human"

> teachers to enjoy the power rush. Problems can ensue for both parties!

>

> What I've learned from experience, is that putting any teacher on a

> pedestal is bound to be harmful to both the teacher and the student.

> In fact, assigning any human being superhuman qualities, or the title

> of "perfect" is going to lead to trouble. It's like Rattana said in

> her email yesterday "Giving and Receiving:" human relationships are

> about balance and "The more conscious we become, the more

> possible it is to consciously choose a path of alignment and balance."

>

> The more you know yourself, accept yourself as a fluid balance of inner

> goodness and practical failings, you will be better able to judge the

> intentions and clear mindedness of others. If you are not blinded by

> the false hope of a quick fix (so sorry for the pun) from someone else,

> then you will be able to see imposters for what they are. Also, you

> can accept the right-intentioned teachers for who they are, and not lay

> the burden of your enlightenment in their hands.

>

> The people who have hindered me most in my life have been those who

> desired that I see them, and myself, as perfect (in the Western sense!

> not in the sense that everything is perfect as it is, and that we each

> have goodness within). The beings who have aided me most are those who

> do not expect me to be anything but myself, and who know themselves to

> have both expertise and limitations (goodness and flaws)...who are both

> humble and knowlegeable.

>

> In other words, tantric student, know thyself! Then seek a teacher, and

> remain unnattached to the result of any ONE person having the answers

> you seek.

>

> Sat Nam,

> Siobhan

>

>

> p.s to Zenbob...I very much enjoyed your "explanations" of love and sex

> yesterday. The Tantric sex masters of the world should learn them. ;)

>

>

> --- ZEN2WRK wrote:

> > ZEN2WRK

> >

> > In a message dated 9/8/99 6:42:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > Sokoloff writes:

> >

> > << "I'm a Tantric sex master" has got to be one of the oldest

> > metaphysical

> > pick up lines in the book.

> > >>

> > Dear Alex:

> >

> > You are so very right! Why didn't I ever use that line? Heck, at

> > least I

> > had some basic background...LOL

> >

> > I think this is a sad, but true concern. Perhaps there is no

> > absolute

> > "litmus" test of genuine selfless instructors...but an instructor

> > needs to

> > have a solid reputation and should be eager to instruct and assist

> > and

> > reluctant to become physically involved. Therein lies the trap of

> > attachment

> > and complications that are all too well known.

> >

> > "Do as I suggest...do not do with me" might be a motto. :)

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Blessings

> > Zenbob

> >

> > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor

> > ----------------------------

> >

> > ATTN ONELIST USERS: stay current on the latest activities,

> > programs, & features at ONElist by joining our member newsletter at

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> >

> >

> ------

> > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"

> > - Yogi Bhajan

> >

> > Check out our website:

> > http://www.gtmark.com/ky/index.htm

> >

> > Sponsored by Yoga Technology Press

> > publishers of a popular range of books

> > on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation.

> > http://www.yogatech.com

> >

> > To from this list, go to

> > ONElist Member Center, or send mail to

> > Kundaliniyoga-

> >

>

>

>

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>

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