Guest guest Posted September 22, 1999 Report Share Posted September 22, 1999 > Sat Nam! > Devta Hi, I'm Ellen. I read your post with empathy, because I've found some persons, okay, I admit, usually xians, to have very little tolerance toward the beliefs of other persons. I started seeking God as a very small child, and luckily my mother never discouraged me. She was agnostic, with few practicing beliefs of any kind. At about 13 years of age I realized that xianity was incredibly rigid and ritual based; I can't imagine that an omnipotent, omniscient God requires that persons make certain statements and practice certain rituals to be "saved". I believe that good and evil are sides of the same coin, and that our greatest quest in life is to choose--either to serve good or serve evil. Sometimes our intentions to serve good don't even work out so well! How about the scientists who created refriderants (CFCs). Do you think they would have been so enthusiastic if they knew CFCs would destroy the ozone layer? They thought they were providing mankind with a tremendous improvement; but we don't even know how much damage will be done to the protective layer of our atmosphere, only observe the results. I think that those scientists would have carefully considered the conscequences of their product if they had an inkling of the consequences, maybe they would have looked for another route to refridgeration. However, some persons are so locked into ritual speak and behavior that they have lost sight of the fact that they must make choices--they cannot accept the responsibility that making choices requires and therefore let their religion make their choices for them. This person is not so much attacking you as she is your belief that God is greater and more diverse than her limited scope allows God to be--you are challenging her decision to "Let Go and Let God." All you can do is tell her you love her (you love your church, the fellowship which she also comprises, the concept of acceptance and even her if she didn't try to hurt you), and you are sorry that she is in pain. It is not your fault. Maybe you could remind her that God is huge, and he has room in his universe and love in his heart for you as well. I would refuse to argue with her or entertain her anger. You cannot help her, and you deserve to be free to make your own choices. You might remind her that free will is for everyone--you cannot make choices for other persons. You cannot lead other persons astray--your beliefs are your own, just as the beliefs of other persons are their own. For those of you who are K, I'm sorry my discussion was not in that framework. I don't know as much as I would like to about you, and am listening to your discussion with great interest. I've already learned much here, and look forward to learning more. Blessings, Ellen. > > > __________________________ ___ > __________________________ ___ > > Message: 3 > 21 Sep 1999 23:11:16 -0000 > msciny123 > I have a warm feeling > > I just wanted to tell all of you I love you. This is one of the best lists i have been on. Thanks everyone for sharing with us. Cynthia- moon goddess > > > __________________________ ___ > __________________________ ___ > > Message: 4 > Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:32:05 +1000 > "Steven Mclachlan" <stevenmc > imagination > > > Hi, > I've lately been contemplating the role of our own psyche and imagination in > spiritual matters. It seems with the awakening and proper functioning of > our bodies natural energy systems, areas of the body and the mind that may > have been otherwise laying dormant come alive in magnificant colour. > > Religion is the most common thread to reaching god, yet across the world no > two religions are alike. Subtle differences in who god is, and what he does > and does not like us to do are the most noticeable differences. This leads > me to believe that getting in touch with god or the universe is more of a > psychological factor than, communicating with a actual being. God is indeed > the most magnificant creation of the human psyche to date, a super being > that created us and the rest of the universe and that holds it all in tact. > It seems that anyone who can justify their actions are true and pure are in > deed in contact with god. > > With Kundalini we are letting god enter our bodies, and fill us with joy. > As the energy of god enters our bodies, it brings to life every cell unlike > they have lived before. Emotions, feelings and understanding flows through > our mind, through our body and back to god again. > > I have experienced some amazing things since starting this spiritual path. > The interventions of god are to say the least miracolous. The miracle of > life, is perhaps the most astounding thing about and by bringing it into our > hearts with love and understanding we too join the universal dance of > nature, the cosmos and god. > > As our body learns and understands how to control our emotions, we heighten > our understanding of why these things are inside. Love, hate, fear, trust, > joy, sadnees. Life is foolproof in every way, and by understand how we tick > inside, we can perhaps glance an eyefull of how the universe is created, and > balances it self. > > Whatever we believe is true, and whatever is true we believe. > > > > __________________________ ___ > __________________________ ___ > > Message: 5 > Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:27:04 -0800 > asia (asia) > Re: imagination > > Hi, Steven: > > Thank you for putting things in perspective, I like your ideas about how we > relate. > > Asia > > > > > __________________________ ___ > __________________________ ___ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 1999 Report Share Posted September 24, 1999 > Hi, I'm Ellen. I read your post with empathy, because I've found some > persons, okay, I admit, usually xians, to have very little tolerance toward > the beliefs of other persons.> > For those of you who are K, I'm sorry my discussion was not in that > framework. I don't know as much as I would like to about you, and am > listening to your discussion with great interest. I've already learned much > here, and look forward to learning more. Blessings, Ellen. Dear Ellen and Everyone, Ellen, thank you for you clear discussion of some of the underlying spiritual issues. Although these discussions may not seem to be about KY, they are about our empowerment and life on planet Earth. Any spiritual practice and discipline brings up human issues. The ones we are discussing here related to the 2ndChakra and boundaries and 3rd Chakra and indentity and personal power. We could make a case for other chakras as well. Onward on our journeys. Sat Nam, Rattana > > > > > > > __________________________ > ___ > > > __________________________ > ___ > > > > Message: 3 > > 21 Sep 1999 23:11:16 -0000 > > msciny123 > > I have a warm feeling > > > > I just wanted to tell all of you I love you. This is one of the best > lists i have been on. Thanks everyone for sharing with us. Cynthia- moon > goddess > > > > > > > __________________________ > ___ > > > __________________________ > ___ > > > > Message: 4 > > Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:32:05 +1000 > > "Steven Mclachlan" <stevenmc > > imagination > > > > > > Hi, > > I've lately been contemplating the role of our own psyche and imagination > in > > spiritual matters. It seems with the awakening and proper functioning of > > our bodies natural energy systems, areas of the body and the mind that may > > have been otherwise laying dormant come alive in magnificant colour. > > > > Religion is the most common thread to reaching god, yet across the world > no > > two religions are alike. Subtle differences in who god is, and what he > does > > and does not like us to do are the most noticeable differences. This > leads > > me to believe that getting in touch with god or the universe is more of a > > psychological factor than, communicating with a actual being. God is > indeed > > the most magnificant creation of the human psyche to date, a super being > > that created us and the rest of the universe and that holds it all in > tact. > > It seems that anyone who can justify their actions are true and pure are > in > > deed in contact with god. > > > > With Kundalini we are letting god enter our bodies, and fill us with joy. > > As the energy of god enters our bodies, it brings to life every cell > unlike > > they have lived before. Emotions, feelings and understanding flows > through > > our mind, through our body and back to god again. > > > > I have experienced some amazing things since starting this spiritual path. > > The interventions of god are to say the least miracolous. The miracle of > > life, is perhaps the most astounding thing about and by bringing it into > our > > hearts with love and understanding we too join the universal dance of > > nature, the cosmos and god. > > > > As our body learns and understands how to control our emotions, we > heighten > > our understanding of why these things are inside. Love, hate, fear, > trust, > > joy, sadnees. Life is foolproof in every way, and by understand how we > tick > > inside, we can perhaps glance an eyefull of how the universe is created, > and > > balances it self. > > > > Whatever we believe is true, and whatever is true we believe. > > > > > > > > > __________________________ > ___ > > > __________________________ > ___ > > > > Message: 5 > > Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:27:04 -0800 > > asia (asia) > > Re: imagination > > > > Hi, Steven: > > > > Thank you for putting things in perspective, I like your ideas about how > we > > relate. > > > > Asia > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________ > ___ > > > __________________________ > ___ > > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > Check out our website: > http://www.gtmark.com/ky/index.htm > > Sponsored by Yoga Technology Press > Popular publishers of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > To from this list, go to > ONElist Member Center, or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > No requests to the list please! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 In a message dated 9/24/99 12:34:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elrudolph writes: << Hi, I'm Ellen. I read your post with empathy, >> Ellen...thank you so much for your words, support and empathy. It was very much appreciated. I do feel so much better and am, as you are, learning more every day. My path is clear and I shall follow it to the best of my ability. Peace, Devta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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