transcending hate, transcending pain, transcending anger

[Guest guest]

Transending hate, transcending pain, transcending anger, transcending

sadness,

how do you do it ?

I know it is not easy, but i suppose it is neccesary if you want

to become really happy.

But perhaps even more than anything: How do you see it coming?

How do you see if someone has "a bad moral" ? How do you see

in advance if someone pretends to care for you, but it is not true,

and they even end up hurting you ? And how do you deal with it?

 

And is there any other mailinglist that anyone knows that could help me

with these problems?

 

This was not easy to write...

Joel.

[Guest guest]

Dear Joel,

You have made the most important step already. Rather than hold it in you

have been brave enough to share your pain with us. When you talk to other

human beings about your problems it lessens the need to solve everything

yourself. We all need help from each other and our Higher Power. We just

need to ask. Talking to another person can relieve the powerlessness that

you feel. Connecting to our Higher power is what Kundalini Yoga is about.

If I can be of any further assistance please ask.

Sat Nam

Brian

 

>

>Transending hate, transcending pain, transcending anger, transcending

>sadness,

>how do you do it ?

[Guest guest]

Dear Joel:

 

Apologies for the relatively slow reply. Your question is a superb one...it

is the central question that confronts all of humanity...it is the great

barrier to society and individuals being able to transcend their conflicts

and limitations...it is the very essence of what is meant by seeking

"illumination" and turning from anger and violence, war and conflict toward

mercy, forgiveness, compassion and love...personally and as societies of

people.

 

Joel, there are many wonderful teachings from east and west that agree on

some very common central concepts. The first, and I think, most important,

is that in the final analysis, we are engaged in a great struggle, not with

the world around us, but in a great struggle with ourselves. Your question

is worded in such a way that it reveals that you appreciate this distinction.

 

Since each of us differs in temperament, intellect, genetics, culture and

habit, the answer can only be an individually tailored one, in the final

assessment. Our abilities to change our thinking processes, habits and

modify our behavior are really rather impressive...but we are all "back

sliders" and "slackers" at heart...and despite our most fervent desires and

claims of nobility and enlightenment, we all make mistakes, fall into ego

traps, (especially the delightfully subtle one of false humility and

goodness, where we become intolerant of others and begin to believe our own

propaganda about our ultimate virtue!) and then if we are genuine in our

desire to be "better people" we then mentally beat ourselves up and feel that

we are "no good" or unworthy.

 

A Christian concept that is very useful is that of the two-headed coin of

love and forgiveness. This coin should always be kept in our mental pocket,

and used when others need it, and when we need it, too. It means that we

understand that all of us are imperfect and given to error. That's OK. We

should all strive to be better, not perfect. It's an endless progression of

learning and hard lessons. Because life is difficult and habits are hard to

break and even more difficult to reform, sometimes, we need to be

particularly generous with people who make efforts to be better people, but

still fail. That includes ourselves. No one is more unhappy about the world

than the optimist and perfectionist! It never meets their high standards.

These standards of perfection are illusory and dangerous. No one is wise

enough to know what the perfect world would be like. We might all agree that

ending poverty, hunger, disease and war (knocking off the Four Horsemen of

the Apocalypse in one fell swoop!) would be a nice start. Perhaps. But the

consequences of a world where there would be little or no death (an ultimate

result of a series of diseases) has serious and grave (LOL) consequences.

 

In short, I believe that Buddhism and Christianity offer methods that

philosophically can alter our behaviors and thinking processes in very

positive ways. But these are slow, progressive steps of improvement. It's

like paving a large highway. Each mile is made smooth at great effort and

sometimes you need to go back and fill in the potholes. But you do not

despair and give up the project. Furthermore, meditation techniques and

yoga...the scientific methodology of developing personal control over both

physical and spiritual centers that are contained within us, help us to

develop a sense of self control, restraint, love, and a resource of unlimited

universal energy, inspiration, joy and love...like an ocean of bliss that we

can tap into when we are beset by woes, or those around us are deeply

troubled...then...following the lessons learned in Satsangh, we engage in

Shaktipat...we share the good energy, the healing, the wisdom, the experience

of our own learning...which ultimately is a sharing of the story of our own

mistakes and how we have learned to live with, overcome and deal with them.

 

Once we realize that those we often admire as being "perfected" were not born

wise or knowing, but that they had to endure suffering, grief, errors of

pride, ego and loss, physical pain and injury, but were able to build a

better spiritual life for themselves, then we understand that these tools and

processes are free and available for all of us. That is what Yoga in the

end, is about...sharing techniques, tools and methods of empowering each

individual in their personal search for enlightenment.

 

Blessings

Love,

 

Zenbob

[Guest guest]

Dear Zenbob,

 

the letter you sent Joel today is so incredibly beautiful and moving

and inspiring. You have a knowing and wonderful way of understanding

people. Thank you for sharing that. I may not be in a dark place now,

but I battle my own hate, anger, pain every day....meeting them again

and again on the path. Your letter is helping me, and I hope it helps

you Joel...you were brave to write, and I hope you can take comfort in

all of the heartfelt responses.

 

Beannachtai (which means Blessings in gaelic...my Irish namesake from

the list just taught me that yesterday!!!)...

and

Sat Nam,

Siobhan

[Guest guest]

Dear Siobhan:

 

You are, as always, most kind. I am gladdened that my words

gave you joy. Please know that in communicating this to me, you also provide

me with the same joy, mirrored in your friendly words.

 

Beannachtai to you as well! Isn't Gaelic a wonderment?

 

Blessings,

Love,

Sat Nam!

 

Zenbob

[Guest guest]

Joel:

 

Sounds like you are living through a lot of pain. Can you please share

with us in more detail what is happening with you now?

 

There are ways to transcend, and you have found a good group to share your

experiences with.

 

Asia

 

 

 

 

>joel <mango

>

>Transending hate, transcending pain, transcending anger, transcending

>sadness,

>how do you do it ?

>I know it is not easy, but i suppose it is neccesary if you want

>to become really happy.

>But perhaps even more than anything: How do you see it coming?

>How do you see if someone has "a bad moral" ? How do you see

>in advance if someone pretends to care for you, but it is not true,

>and they even end up hurting you ? And how do you deal with it?

>

>And is there any other mailinglist that anyone knows that could help me

>with these problems?

>

>This was not easy to write...

>Joel.

>

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