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I have to disagree with Sri Param.

I have known devout agnostics and atheists as well as people who didn't

care whether or not there is a god, all of whom practiced kundalini yoga.

 

Kartar Kaur

 

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Sri Param Eswaran Ponnudurai wrote:

 

> "Sri Param Eswaran Ponnudurai" <tantraifc

>

> >From param

> We have to believe in god/goddess within and all the planets and elements

> within the Gods of the ancient times.

> May the Light and Love of the Universal force be with all of you

> Love

> Namaste

> Sri Param Eswaran

>

> > > WNyma

> > >

> > > DO YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN GOD TO PRACTICE KUNDALINI YOGA?

> >

>

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In a message dated 1/3/00 3:02:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

errosner writes:

 

<< I have known devout agnostics and atheists as well as people who didn't

care whether or not there is a god, all of whom practiced kundalini yoga. >>

 

People can have no ties whatsoever with the spiritual world, and practice

whatever they wish (yoga, wicca, etc)...however, to receive true

enlightenment, one must believe in something beyond himself. We are not tiny

islands (unless that is what we choose to be), we are all part of something

larger.

 

Yoga and Buddhism are philosophies...ways of living--not religions. Both are

tools to help us to "become more than we are." No philosophy or religious

sect is an "end all be all."

 

What do we want? How do we want to live? Are there any questions more

important than these? These two little questions shape us...and no others.

 

Marsha

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Although I believe in a divine spirit, I also do no think it is necessary

for a Kundalini experience, or to practice Kundalini Yoga or any other form

of Yoga. However, I can't help think that something would be "missing"

without it.

 

Pamela P.

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"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly.

What is essential is invisible to the eye."

Antoine de Saint-Exupery (The Little Prince)

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>Question? Is your "reality" based on belief or experience? Or both?

Which

comes first?

 

I am new to this wonderful list and maybe I shouldn't jump in right ahead,

but I hope you can bear with me. I know this question wasn't for me, but

this reminded me of the opening lines of the Dhammapada:

 

"We are what we think.

With our thoughts we make the world".

 

This is somebody's subjective reality. You can experience the world as you

believe it to be. I definitely think that you live in the world you choose

to live in. Experiences are objective - they are true; they are what they

are; - but beliefs about them need not be. But since we create the world we

live in, why not create the most beautiful one - and for all intents and

purposes that is the world we will live in.

 

I don't see how helpful it would be to practice yoga, which is about the

union with the infinite divine consciouness, if you don't believe in such a

thing. Remember you are constantly creating your world, and you are the

consciousness behind it. If you don't call this God, then what do you call

it? We all create reality. We have the power to create universes.

 

Someone may not actively - consciously - believe in God (I didn't for a long

time). But let us look at ourselves. What are we doing, waking up at 4am,

taking cold showers, chanting mantras? What deep, unyielding yearning

doesn't live us alone? If you are doing this, your soul is searching for

something. There is nothing wrong with calling that something "God". It is

just a name, give any other one. But you cannot really say that you don't

believe in That which your whole being is searching for. The proof that you

believe is the simple fact that you are searching.

 

And may all of us experience...

 

Sat Nam,

 

Alina

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Dear Alina,

 

The question was for everyone. Thanks for sharing.

 

If you are doing this, your soul is searching for

> something. There is nothing wrong with calling that something "God". It is

> just a name, give any other one. But you cannot really say that you don't

> believe in That which your whole being is searching for.

 

You can say it, but the reality is as you point out, whatever we say or do

not say, we are all searching for something. Good point.

 

The proof that you

> believe is the simple fact that you are searching.

>

> And may all of us experience...

 

Sat Nam,

 

RAttana

 

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Alina,

 

Those words were beautiful. Tat tvam asi. I have to agree to the yearning

inside as being one directed solely from God, from inside, due to it being

yourself (God=self).

 

However, I don't want anyone to get me wrong. Seeing myself (or you seeing

yourself) as God is not a ego trip or anything near to the sort. It is

realization that you are a part of everything, because God=you=everything.

This in turn creates within a humbling aspect when you experience all as

one; and any action you perform, or any thought that you think, word that

you say, affects everything and everyone. I hope that made sense. It's not

an ego boost, it is an equalizer with everything. You may feel like your

mind is expanding, or your heart is growing, or that the love inside you is

unable to be contained, but there is nothing wrong with that; that is a

connection with everything.

 

I'm babbling now. Alina, thank you for those words. They made a lot more

sense that these do in this post.

 

Brightest Blessings,

 

Adam

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