Guest guest Posted January 5, 2000 Report Share Posted January 5, 2000 Dear Pamela and everyone, I like the quote at the end of your letter and your comments. There seem to be two approaches to this discussion. (1) Belief is a requirement for experience. (2) Experience creates belief or I would say embodied knowledge. I "believe" that (1) is often based on "shoulds" and not on what "is." My personal experience is that beliefs can help, and they can also can hinder and limit experience of the Divine as well as other experiences. As we expand our experiences our beliefs change and over time we become wiser simply because we "know". I am going for the experiences. Although I form beliefs based on them, the beliefs seem so less important. As a result I am less in my head trying to figure out the "right" way and more in my body and present to the energy running through my being. Question? Is your "reality" based on belief or experience? Or both? Which comes first? Sat Nam, RAttana > Although I believe in a divine spirit, I also do no think it is necessary > for a Kundalini experience, or to practice Kundalini Yoga or any other form > of Yoga. However, I can't help think that something would be "missing" > without it. > > Pamela P. > pamela > "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly. > What is essential is invisible to the eye." > Antoine de Saint-Exupery (The Little Prince) > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme./ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------ > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > Check out our website: > kundalini yoga > > Sponsored by Yoga Technology Press > Popular publishers of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > To from this list, go to > ONElist Member Center, or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > No requests to the list please! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2000 Report Share Posted January 6, 2000 >As we expand our experiences our beliefs change and over time we become >wiser simply because we "know". I am going for the experiences. Although I >form beliefs based on them, the beliefs seem so less important. As a result >I am less in my head trying to figure out the "right" way and more in my >body and present to the energy running through my being. > I agree with this whole-heartedly! I have found that if I read or learn about an experience "second-hand", I have expectations of that experience which may or may not be correct for me...and can even limit the wonder of my own experience because I might be thinking "but that is supposed to happen", not this...if you know what I mean. I also think, and I know many will disagree, that although we might follow the teachings of a master, we cannot follow the footsteps of a master -- we must make our own. After all, most of the master found their own way -- often rebelling against everything they had been taught. We might get some inspiration, or some support ("oh, that happened to her/him too, so I guess I'm not crazy"), but ultimately, our trip is differently from any trip before or after. Pamela P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2000 Report Share Posted January 6, 2000 Well said Rattana!! I was raised as a secular Jew. In college I searched around as many of us do, just about everywhere for something which I knew was missing, but I could not have put a name to it. After finding Kundalini Yoga I found that now I have a personal experience of God. If somebody had told me that before i would have laughed. The question of belief had never been a question I bothered with. Even now, it doesn't concern me very much as a matter of "belief". And I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with somebody who has no belief, or a different belief. For me the personal experience of God came to be through doing and being and has nothing to do with belief. It is a reality for me. {and I still gotta carry water and cut the logs.] Kartar Kaur BTW, after doing KY I took a Torah study class at a temple and surprised myself by how much I got out of it. I think one reason was that I wasn't looking for enlightenment, or The Answer, but was willing to just experience whatever happened. > > There seem to be two approaches to this discussion. > > (1) Belief is a requirement for experience. > > (2) Experience creates belief or I would say embodied knowledge. > > I "believe" that (1) is often based on "shoulds" and not on what "is." My > personal experience is that beliefs can help, and they can also can hinder > and limit experience of the Divine as well as other experiences. > > As we expand our experiences our beliefs change and over time we become > wiser simply because we "know". I am going for the experiences. Although I > form beliefs based on them, the beliefs seem so less important. As a result > I am less in my head trying to figure out the "right" way and more in my > body and present to the energy running through my being. > > Question? Is your "reality" based on belief or experience? Or both? Which > comes first? > > Sat Nam, > > RAttana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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