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Dear Nyra,

 

> Can you practice kundalini yoga without a guru? There is no kundalini

yoga

> teacher in my area.

 

Yes. Tune in before each practice with ONG NA MO GURU DEV NA MO. That

mantra links you to the chain of teachers and you will be internally guided.

 

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At 10:22 AM 1/13/00 -0800, you wrote:

>"Rattana Khalsa" <rattanak

 

>Yes. Tune in before each practice with ONG NA MO GURU DEV NA MO. That

>mantra links you to the chain of teachers and you will be internally guided.

 

dear rattana,

a few questions

what that mantra means

how it works,

and should we read it or just visualize?

is there any proper position or direction to focus when we do tuning in?

 

namaste,

al

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<< I did some research about Yogi Bhajan, and I was fairly concerned about

what I came up with. The following site gave me serious misgivings:

http://rickross.com/groups/3ho.html

---

Angelbright >>

 

I did come across this site about a year ago....

a friend had invited me to a gurdwara on sunday for a Sikh service...

so i did some research because i was concerned about proper ettiquitte since i

knew nothing about the Sikh religion....

 

i was stunned at what i read... but also realised that the people who wrote

the site

had gripes about Yogi Bhajan/3HO/Sikhism... so i didn't allow myself to take

all

of it in without experiencing it for myself....

 

what i did experience at the Gurdwara was nothing different than going to

"church"

except to me.. these people were more "in-tuned" to what they were

saying/singing/

believing.... it wasn't all rote... as my former church has become... it

didn't lack

sacredness.. but this is my opinion....

 

i have no intentions of becoming a Sikh anytime soon... but i have a GREAT

amount

of repect for this religion.... and i am glad that i got to experience

this.... and it was here that i got to learn alittle more about Kundalini

Yoga.... and signed up for classes...

 

in the back of my mind i still know that i read that website... and know that

maybe

some of it is true... but what one person does, does not stop the fact that

this

yoga technology works!... and Yogi Bhajan has done more good to spread this

technology to us than harm in anyway i am sure.....

 

a lot of spiritual teachers will have some sort of scandal applied to them....

(ie.. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi/Mia Farrow).. but i think what makes alot of these

"human" things seem scandalous is that we tend to put a "god-like" status on

these teachers..... or apply "chastity, poverty, obedience" to every

spiritual teacher... even though this is a christian thought.... nobody is

perfect... even "spiritual beings having a human experience"-..... <smile>

 

i won't ramble on much longer.. haha

but i think truth has alot to do with what you experience for yourself

much more than what you read and what others tell you....

 

you can read about KYoga... and have people tell you all about it...

but only when you try it for yourself will the experience becomes "truth"..

 

hope that made sense... <smile>

Sat Nam..... _/\_

Akire

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I think someone who considers himself as spiritual master and is adored by

many of his students cannot act in the way described on the website.

 

Being spiritual master does not only mean to speak out spiritual phrases

non-stop or bringing out everyday a new meditation. A "real" spiritual master

symbolizes much more. One of his claims is that he is an elightend being and

that he experienced the whole Kundalini yoga path by himself and observes &

leads the spiritual progress of his students throught his subtle body.

 

Besides a master shall represent the highest ideal a human can be. But if the

concepts of the highests ideal I personally have are not compatible with his

representation it causes doubts & negativity. I don't know if it are entitled

doubts...and that confuses me. How can I believe someone who praises

Kundalini Yoga as helpful for almost all problems & imperfections but

obviously doesn't represent what he "preaches" or what he expect from his

students.

 

Ok, another argument could be that it belongs to his teachings to confuse his

people with "crazy wisdom" so they can leave all concepts & imaginations

behind...and that's my hope for all yogis.

 

I asked a teacher about my doubts a longer time ago but this teacher chose

the easiest & most uncourageous way and ignored me (and my doubts

grew)...thanks Rattana!

 

Bye for now & bye forever

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Dear Al,

 

Tuning in is the subject of lesson 3 kyt03. Just send a

blank email to the above address. (And send a blessing to Gordon when you

do it. He has made this system possible.)

 

You can also read about it when you get your book.

 

Sat Nam,

 

RAttana

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al <aly

<Kundaliniyoga >

Thursday, January 13, 2000 5:12 PM

Re: teacher

 

 

> al <aly

>

> At 10:22 AM 1/13/00 -0800, you wrote:

> >"Rattana Khalsa" <rattanak

>

> >Yes. Tune in before each practice with ONG NA MO GURU DEV NA MO. That

> >mantra links you to the chain of teachers and you will be internally

guided.

>

> dear rattana,

> a few questions

> what that mantra means

> how it works,

> and should we read it or just visualize?

> is there any proper position or direction to focus when we do tuning in?

>

> namaste,

> al

>

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> - Yogi Bhajan

>

> Check out our website:

> kundalini yoga

>

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>

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Regarding Angelbright's worries and source of information:

<< http://rickross.com/groups/3ho.html >>

 

Everybody should check out this site, it's absolutely pathetic. Rick Ross is

a self-styled "expert witness on cults" and ardent self-promoter. The quotes

he gathers and the accusations he lists are pretty random. In fact, I was

really disappointed because I think any organization that offers hope to

people, whether the United Way or 3HO, should be scrutinized for abuses.

There is nothing credible in the entire site and the research is flimsy.

It's also laughingly one-sided. Surprise, another crank is using the

internet to promote his business!

 

I think the best way to figure out if Yogi Bhajan and 3HO are trustworthy is

to go to summer solstice and see for yourself. There will be good and bad

and you get to do lots of fun yoga.

Nicholas

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Rattana Khalsa wrote:

 

> "Rattana Khalsa" <rattanak

>

> Dear Al,

>

> Tuning in is the subject of lesson 3 kyt03. Just send a

> blank email to the above address. (And send a blessing to Gordon when you

> do it. He has made this system possible.)

>

> You can also read about it when you get your book.

>

> Sat Nam,

>

> RAttana

> -

> al <aly

> <Kundaliniyoga >

> Thursday, January 13, 2000 5:12 PM

> Re: teacher

>

> > al <aly

> >

> > At 10:22 AM 1/13/00 -0800, you wrote:

> > >"Rattana Khalsa" <rattanak

> >

> > >Yes. Tune in before each practice with ONG NA MO GURU DEV NA MO. That

> > >mantra links you to the chain of teachers and you will be internally

> guided.

> >

> > dear rattana,

> > a few questions

> > what that mantra means

> > how it works,

> > and should we read it or just visualize?

> > is there any proper position or direction to focus when we do tuning in?

> >

> > namaste,

> > al

> >

> > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ----------------------------

> >

> > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU!

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> >

> > ------

> >

> > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"

> > - Yogi Bhajan

> >

> > Check out our website:

> > kundalini yoga

> >

> > Sponsored by Yoga Technology Press

> > Popular publishers of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation.

> >

> >

> > To from this list, go to

> > ONElist Member Center, or send mail to

> > Kundaliniyoga-

> > No requests to the list please!

> >

>

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> ------

>

> "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"

> - Yogi Bhajan

>

> Check out our website:

> kundalini yoga

>

> Sponsored by Yoga Technology Press

> Popular publishers of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation.

>

>

> To from this list, go to

> ONElist Member Center, or send mail to

> Kundaliniyoga-

> No requests to the list please!

 

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