3HO as cult?

[Guest guest]

Hi all.

I took a look at the site mentioned below, out of curiousity.

It made me laugh to think of Kundalini Yoga/3HO as a cult. However, it

would be unfortunate if that fear kept people from trying out KY.

 

I understand that fear of cults is real. In my younger days I was new to

Houston and hanging out with some folk that were *real* friendly to me.

later I found out they were with some cult, the one that had that 16-yr

old leader.

I think most people can determine for themself is something is or is not a

cult.

I've been in and out of KY for 20 yrs, and it is the furthest thing from a

cult.

 

I understand that a person who used to be a leader in the ashram where I

practiced, did something unethical. And he left or was asked to leave

the ashram.

So what?

Nobody that I ever met in or around the ashram ever claimed that they were

saints. They are human with human frailities. Maybe each ashram has its

own tone. The ashram that I was in (and I never "joined"- ie did not wear

white, did not observe all the guidelines), I lived there and practiced

yoga.

The people there never gave me a feeling that they were superior. Quite

the opposite-what attracted me - besides the technology itself- was that

the "members", the ones who wear white and do practice sadna every

morning, etc, were so down-to-earth, so un-self-righteous, so willing to

admit that they are not some holy holy.

 

Maybe Yogi Bhajan did some wrong things. I don't know. If I found out that

he did, it would not negate my experience of kundalini yoga.

Ultimately, all that we have is our own experience.

 

Best,

kartar kaur (Ellen Rosner)

 

 

 

> "Robyn" <angelbright

>

> I did some research about Yogi Bhajan, and I was fairly concerned about what I

came up with. The following site gave me serious misgivings:

http://rickross.com/groups/3ho.html

> ---

> Angelbright

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I used to go to church, our youth pastor told us this joke.

 

You know what the definition of a cult is?

 

The church down the road.

 

It can also be said as "any religion as other than your own."

 

 

It is now no longer a laughing matter.

Only open minds with heal the rift that has come between so many of us.

 

Brightest Blessings,

 

Adam

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[Guest guest]

> Ultimately, all that we have is our own experience.

 

>Best,

>kartar kaur (Ellen Rosner)

 

 

Dear Kartar Kaur and list,

I was also lucky enough to have experienced Kundalini Yoga, White Tanric,

association with Sikhs, and people with the last names of Kahlsa's, in

Boulder Colorado, in 1980.

All of the people I meet were loving caring business professionals that lead

a spiritual life. They had their life together and they also taught Yoga.

 

If anyone has any doubts about the nature of Yogi Bhajan or Kundalini yoga

go experience it.

 

I saw Rick Ross's site when I first got on the internet a year ago. Of

course, since I had already experienced all the good, I knew his site had

inaccurate biased information. I guess anything that doesn't fit into his

western sphere of right and wrong is a cult. His Loss.

 

I live in a small town in Wisconsin. I wish I had more access to teachers

and direct contact with 3ho.

 

God Bless you all

Sat Nam Brian

 

ps Al, I just read your posting- very true

[Guest guest]

Dear Kartar Kaur,

 

> Ultimately, all that we have is our own experience.

>

Thank you Kartar Kaur and Lady of the Stars. This is so true.

 

Sat Nam,

 

Rattana

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/14/00 8:09:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

walkwiththought writes:

 

<< You know what the definition of a cult is? >>

 

The definition of a cult is any group that tells you how you must live, eat,

think, etc. It puts restrictions on what you may read, and asks that you cut

off ties with family and friends. A cult takes away your free will. A cult

makes you dependent upon the interpretation of belief of one person (or an

elite group of people) for truth. You will often be asked to relinquish all

worldly possessions to the organization.

 

There are several sects masquerading as Christian churches, which are cults.

I will not go into which churches these are.

 

If, 3HO does these things...then it would qualify as a cult. If not, it is

not a cult. I don't anything about 3HO.

 

Marsha

[Guest guest]

Sat nam everybody-

One more thing re "3HO as cult?" which I had meant to say in my post:

 

I've done a lot of things in my life seeking self-knowledge and worldly

knowledge, such as est, Silva Mind Control, that kind of thing.

 

I also have done Vipassa Meditation, and other kinds of meditation, and

women's spirituality, and ritual

 

Most of them I got something good out of, I never had a bad experience

with workshops, week-ends etc.

 

Of all my forays into enlightenment, Kundalini Yoga was the one that most

taught me to recognize and depend on and have confidence in my own

experience.

I am most grateful for that.

 

Kartar kaur

[Guest guest]

Greetings, My name is Maya. I haven't really spoken on the list before

but I have been watching and listening for about 3 months now. I myself am a

student of Kundalini Yoga of about 5 years on and off.

I recently began a KY teachers training course, certification from KRI, so

I'm really getting into the thick of it now. I had a quick question for

Brian: Can you tell who you studied with in Boulder? because I am moving

there in August and would like to see if I can continue my practice with the

Khalsa.

My own personal experience with this yoga and my teachers and community

is what keeps me interested. My teachers are Sikhs who were taught by Yogi

Bhagan himself and it is true that they have some mixed emotions regarding

the character of their teacher. But as I feel we all understand, we don't

undergo a spiritual path for a personal relationship with a teacher. We

cannot confuse the teacher with the teachings. My teacher Mahan Rishi Singh

Khalsa has been studying KY since the 70's. He feels as though Yogiji went

through a dark period in the 80's and many teachers of KY who were closely

involved with 3HO did take leave but he decided to stay for several reasons:

He believes that Yogi Bhagan is a phenomenon; a true KY master, a soul who

has the ability to experience levels of consciousness beyond "maya" and he

uses his being as a spirit lens to bring into focus for us that which

remains obscured. That it is his deep love for humanity and his students

that drives the passion of his teachings. He recognizes just as Yogi Bhagan

does that no teacher is perfect. That we are all working on ourselves in a

patient process of unfolding. It is never easy to be faced with the

realization that a Master might not be "perfect".

But in the wider scope it it only our attachment to the concept of a

flawless teacher that leaves us with a feeling of disappointment. The truth

is in the experience.

The teachings are here if we choose to embrace them, it is up to each of

use individually to live by the dictates of our own conscience, and to

suspend judgement within the concept of others. We are here to realize our

highest destiny, our highest truth, may the long time sunshine upon you.

 

Sat Nam, Maya

[Guest guest]

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>, >Brian: Can you tell who you studied with in Boulder? because I am moving

>there in August and would like to see if I can continue my practice with

the

>Khalsa.

 

 

Dear Maya,

 

I studied with a number of people at their Ashram in Boulder. I found a

personnel site from one of my teachers that is very interesting. You

could e-mail him and ask.

http://spot.colorado.edu/~khalsa/ His man is Siri Jodha Singh Khalsa

Phd. ( This site might be of interest to everyone on list)

 

Another site from the head of the Ashram at that time is

http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~khalsak/ . His name is Siri Kirpal Singh Khalsa.

I can not get his web page to work, but he has an e-mail address also.

 

Sat Nam

Brian