Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 Dear Gururattan Kaur, I would like to ask for your advice (and everybody's suggestions would be much appreciated as well) on something that has been disturbing me for a long time. I get from KY and meditation the most wonderful effects. When I am doing it, and afterwards for some hours, I feel completely happy, completely at peace with everything and everybody. I feel I have enough goodness and grace to give to anybody. Then at some point that feeling just vanishes and leaves emptiness behind. Then everything becomes a huge effort to go through. I do have quite a hectic life and when that happens I often don't have the time to take five minutes and meditate. I tried doing silent japa but that doesn't always work - I have to talk to people, take phone calls, solve "urgent matters". What can I do to keep that wonderful balance, that grace? Thank you and Sat Nam, Alina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 To keep "That Wonderful Balance", "That Grace", I believe you have to Know that It Is Always With You and it is only negative self talk that is keeping It from you. Telling yourself that you are overburdened will convince you to believe that. There must be something positive that you can replace these thoughts with. Not entertaining thoughts that you are separate from That Wonderful Balance and Grace sounds simplistic I know, but I believe you can resolve to make that decision. Alina wrote: > "Alina" <eugend > > Dear Gururattan Kaur, > > I would like to ask for your advice (and everybody's suggestions would be > much appreciated as well) on something that has been disturbing me for a > long time. > > I get from KY and meditation the most wonderful effects. When I am doing it, > and afterwards for some hours, I feel completely happy, completely at peace > with everything and everybody. I feel I have enough goodness and grace to > give to anybody. Then at some point that feeling just vanishes and leaves > emptiness behind. Then everything becomes a huge effort to go through. I do > have quite a hectic life and when that happens I often don't have the time > to take five minutes and meditate. I tried doing silent japa but that > doesn't always work - I have to talk to people, take phone calls, solve > "urgent matters". > > What can I do to keep that wonderful balance, that grace? > > Thank you and Sat Nam, > > Alina > > ------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/975/1/_/505222/_/952678359/ > ------ > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 Alina, Hi, To move from the state of meditation into a ceaseless meditation state takes keeping the same mindfulness during your day to day life. This means you become the witness to what is going on and in doing this you observe all of the things happening. Instead of reacting you simply observe it without judgement. In this you begin to understand that all of life is a meditation and every moment is an opportunity to remain the witness. When your in meditation you enter into a witness consciousness. This is what brings peace. But, you have not earned the capacity to actualize the experience to ground it into your life. To do this requires detachment and the ability to observe yourself. This detachment will allow you to be the witness when all of the activity is going on. You will notice what you think and what emotions are flaring up. You will also notice what is going on with everyone else in the room. This is the process. It is a lifestyle that you open up to, then, you will learn what is required from you to bring God this much into your life. Hope this helps you. Gloria Doc Warden wrote: > Doc Warden <docwarden > > To keep "That Wonderful Balance", "That Grace", I believe you have to Know that It Is Always With You and > it is only negative self talk that is keeping It from you. Telling yourself that you are overburdened will > convince you to believe that. There must be something positive that you can replace these thoughts with. > Not entertaining thoughts that you are separate from That Wonderful Balance and Grace sounds simplistic I > know, but I believe you can resolve to make that decision. > > Alina wrote: > > > "Alina" <eugend > > > > Dear Gururattan Kaur, > > > > I would like to ask for your advice (and everybody's suggestions would be > > much appreciated as well) on something that has been disturbing me for a > > long time. > > > > I get from KY and meditation the most wonderful effects. When I am doing it, > > and afterwards for some hours, I feel completely happy, completely at peace > > with everything and everybody. I feel I have enough goodness and grace to > > give to anybody. Then at some point that feeling just vanishes and leaves > > emptiness behind. Then everything becomes a huge effort to go through. I do > > have quite a hectic life and when that happens I often don't have the time > > to take five minutes and meditate. I tried doing silent japa but that > > doesn't always work - I have to talk to people, take phone calls, solve > > "urgent matters". > > > > What can I do to keep that wonderful balance, that grace? > > > > Thank you and Sat Nam, > > > > Alina > > > > ------ > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > > Apply NOW! > > http://click./1/975/1/_/505222/_/952678359/ > > ------ > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > > - Yogi Bhajan > > > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > > Kundaliniyoga- > > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > > ------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2121/1/_/505222/_/952701976/ > ------ > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! -- Enter The Silence to know God Accept life as the teacher Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at: dennisgloria visit my homepage & internet retreat at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 Hello and salutations to you as well. I am new to the list. It is wonderful to meet so many wonderful folks who are working their interior process to make it real, here and now. I started a list several years ago where folks do this somewhat like a workshop helping each other to learn detachment and flowing with what is. Indeed the mission in our day is to ground spirit into everyday action and to take it from the head to the heart. I hope to get to know you. I live in Reno, Nevada. I have worked with a group here for over 30 years. We invite folks to visit if they come to our area. Gloria Sri Param Eswaran Ponnudurai wrote: > "Sri Param Eswaran Ponnudurai" <tantraifc > > Salutation Gloria Joy Greco > I enjoy reading your > > >Gloria Greco <dennisgloria > >Kundaliniyoga > >Kundaliniyoga > >Re: How to stay happy > >Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:05:08 -0800 > > > >Alina, > > Hi, > > To move from the state of meditation into a ceaseless meditation state > >takes keeping the same mindfulness > >during your day to day life. This means you become the witness to what is > >going on and in doing this you > >observe all of the things happening. Instead of reacting you simply observe > >it without judgement. In this you > >begin to understand that all of life is a meditation and every moment is an > >opportunity to remain the witness. > >When your in meditation you enter into a witness consciousness. This is > >what brings peace. But, you have not > >earned the capacity to actualize the experience to ground it into your > >life. To do this requires detachment > >and the ability to observe yourself. This detachment will allow you to be > >the witness when all of the activity > >is going on. You will notice what you think and what emotions are flaring > >up. You will also notice what is > >going on with everyone else in the room. This is the process. It is a > >lifestyle that you open up to, then, you > >will learn what is required from you to bring God this much into your life. > >Hope this helps you. Gloria > > > >Doc Warden wrote: > > > > > Doc Warden <docwarden > > > > > > To keep "That Wonderful Balance", "That Grace", I believe you have to > >Know that It Is Always With You and > > > it is only negative self talk that is keeping It from you. Telling > >yourself that you are overburdened will > > > convince you to believe that. There must be something positive that you > >can replace these thoughts with. > > > Not entertaining thoughts that you are separate from That Wonderful > >Balance and Grace sounds simplistic I > > > know, but I believe you can resolve to make that decision. > > > > > > Alina wrote: > > > > > > > "Alina" <eugend > > > > > > > > Dear Gururattan Kaur, > > > > > > > > I would like to ask for your advice (and everybody's suggestions would > >be > > > > much appreciated as well) on something that has been disturbing me for > >a > > > > long time. > > > > > > > > I get from KY and meditation the most wonderful effects. W > ____ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2120/1/_/505222/_/952725817/ > ------ > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! -- Enter The Silence to know God Accept life as the teacher Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at: dennisgloria visit my homepage & internet retreat at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 Hello everybody, Thank you for your kind replies. It is so great to have people who can lend a helping hand out there, and I thank you all. I have tried to tell myself before the things you suggested, it just seems I didn't practice it enough! But "there is no liberation without labor" as our Teacher said, and there are no shortcuts. The way is what the way is... Practice makes perfect : )! Best wishes to all on the journey. Sat Nam, Alina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2000 Report Share Posted March 11, 2000 Salutation Gloria Joy Greco I enjoy reading your >Gloria Greco <dennisgloria >Kundaliniyoga >Kundaliniyoga >Re: How to stay happy >Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:05:08 -0800 > >Alina, > Hi, > To move from the state of meditation into a ceaseless meditation state >takes keeping the same mindfulness >during your day to day life. This means you become the witness to what is >going on and in doing this you >observe all of the things happening. Instead of reacting you simply observe >it without judgement. In this you >begin to understand that all of life is a meditation and every moment is an >opportunity to remain the witness. >When your in meditation you enter into a witness consciousness. This is >what brings peace. But, you have not >earned the capacity to actualize the experience to ground it into your >life. To do this requires detachment >and the ability to observe yourself. This detachment will allow you to be >the witness when all of the activity >is going on. You will notice what you think and what emotions are flaring >up. You will also notice what is >going on with everyone else in the room. This is the process. It is a >lifestyle that you open up to, then, you >will learn what is required from you to bring God this much into your life. >Hope this helps you. Gloria > >Doc Warden wrote: > > > Doc Warden <docwarden > > > > To keep "That Wonderful Balance", "That Grace", I believe you have to >Know that It Is Always With You and > > it is only negative self talk that is keeping It from you. Telling >yourself that you are overburdened will > > convince you to believe that. There must be something positive that you >can replace these thoughts with. > > Not entertaining thoughts that you are separate from That Wonderful >Balance and Grace sounds simplistic I > > know, but I believe you can resolve to make that decision. > > > > Alina wrote: > > > > > "Alina" <eugend > > > > > > Dear Gururattan Kaur, > > > > > > I would like to ask for your advice (and everybody's suggestions would >be > > > much appreciated as well) on something that has been disturbing me for >a > > > long time. > > > > > > I get from KY and meditation the most wonderful effects. W ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2000 Report Share Posted March 14, 2000 Dearest Alina, I have not studied Kundalini, I am on this list because I think I would maybe be interested in kundalini. I have done a little study on the chakras and the bodies energy systems.... When i read your post,it was clear to me that there is a energy leak that is leaving you feeling drained and empty.....This could be from false belief/or a negative thought pattern,a blockage in your system..... Try to think when you lose the energy,try to notice it happening and when it is happening...you might find some of the answers there. Lots of love to you Natalie >"Alina" <eugend >Kundaliniyoga ><Kundaliniyoga > > How to stay happy >Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:51:48 +0900 > >Dear Gururattan Kaur, > >I would like to ask for your advice (and everybody's suggestions would be >much appreciated as well) on something that has been disturbing me for a >long time. > >I get from KY and meditation the most wonderful effects. When I am doing >it, >and afterwards for some hours, I feel completely happy, completely at peace >with everything and everybody. I feel I have enough goodness and grace to >give to anybody. Then at some point that feeling just vanishes and leaves >emptiness behind. Then everything becomes a huge effort to go through. I do >have quite a hectic life and when that happens I often don't have the time >to take five minutes and meditate. I tried doing silent japa but that >doesn't always work - I have to talk to people, take phone calls, solve >"urgent matters". > >What can I do to keep that wonderful balance, that grace? > >Thank you and Sat Nam, > >Alina > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 >Maybbe when you are feeling like giving >the goodness and grace ..you are holding up a mirror >and wanting to see that reflected....but the want is the problem.. Dear Natalie, Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and feelings. I really appreciate it. Yes it could be that - consciously or not - I would like to see some results... Especially when I am trying to help somebody and I somehow feel responsible for that. Yes the love of God is there - but aren't we the ones who manifest it? Maybe it is wrong to feel responsible for what happens to people you love... But the thought sneaks in that if you love them and do your best to help them and it doesn't work - well, maybe you didn't do your best! Maybe there was something else you could do? Something more? Just a little more, and it could have made a difference? I do have faith in God. But I also think that we have a duty here... There is a fine line between doing what you can and leave the results to God - and thinking you did all you could. The latter worries me. I try to do all I can, but does that mean I really did all I could? I think we have a duty to manifest the grace of God. If we don't do that, we are nobody. That is the worst failure. So we have this infinite grace of God - are we manifesting it infinitely? I find it hard to say, "well, I did my best". There was a well loved Boddhisattva named Avalokiteshvara who attained perfection but said he would not enter Nirvana before the last blade of grass will have entered Nirvana... I am far from perfection but I do understand what he meant... Blessings to you, Alina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Hi Alina, You have to get the I out of it, so that in this...you let go, open up to Higher Will and know that what is suppose to happen simply will. Love is not thinking and creating, it is accepting and being open to change through transformation. It is something you give and not something you get. When you feel responsible for people you love as you say...you project your ideas into what is happening and complicate the situation even more. Instead step back and witness what is happening, notice your thoughts and emotions and put them on your spiritual altar in the heart center. Once you have managed to let go it will bring a higher awareness of acceptance through, then you can communicate from this place or not however spirit moves you. Sometimes by simply working this discipline you assist and bring a change in awareness for all concerned. Gloria Alina wrote: > "Alina" <eugend > > >Maybbe when you are feeling like giving > >the goodness and grace ..you are holding up a mirror > >and wanting to see that reflected....but the want is the problem.. > > Dear Natalie, > > Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and feelings. I really > appreciate it. Yes it could be that - consciously or not - I would like to > see some results... Especially when I am trying to help somebody and I > somehow feel responsible for that. Yes the love of God is there - but aren't > we the ones who manifest it? Maybe it is wrong to feel responsible for what > happens to people you love... But the thought sneaks in that if you love > them and do your best to help them and it doesn't work - well, maybe you > didn't do your best! Maybe there was something else you could do? Something > more? Just a little more, and it could have made a difference? > > I do have faith in God. But I also think that we have a duty here... There > is a fine line between doing what you can and leave the results to God - and > thinking you did all you could. The latter worries me. I try to do all I > can, but does that mean I really did all I could? I think we have a duty to > manifest the grace of God. If we don't do that, we are nobody. That is the > worst failure. So we have this infinite grace of God - are we manifesting it > infinitely? I find it hard to say, "well, I did my best". > > There was a well loved Boddhisattva named Avalokiteshvara who attained > perfection but said he would not enter Nirvana before the last blade of > grass will have entered Nirvana... I am far from perfection but I do > understand what he meant... > > Blessings to you, > > Alina > > ------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2121/1/_/505222/_/953129483/ > ------ > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > -- Enter The Silence to know God Accept life as the teacher Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at: dennisgloria visit my homepage & internet retreat at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 >you project your ideas into what is happening and complicate >the situation even more. Instead step back and witness what is happening Hello Gloria, Thank you for your thoughts on this. Please bear with me while I try to explain where I was coming from... Of course I would appreciate others' opinions on this as well. I used to "step back and witness" things, and think that everything is fair at the cosmic level and God knows better than me... And that suffering is a way of paying your karma and re-establishes the balance. But then it occurred to me that God never wanted anybody to suffer in the first place. And most of the time suffering makes people mean and miserable and takes them even farther away from God and themselves. Save yourself and let everybody pay their karma is probably okay. Or then you can say, "God, give me these people's bad karma and let them go happy..." Because nobody deserves pain. I honestly believe that people do wrong things only because they are afraid and unhappy. I am not talking about imposing anything on anybody ("be happy because I want you to"). I hate the very idea. If we are not here to uplift ourselves AND others, why would anybody bother teaching KY or giving a helping hand? If everybody would "step back and witness" instead of stepping in and doing something, we wouldn't have anything. It makes me sad when somebody comes and asks, "Please help me" and I can't do it - or I can't do enough. If I were totally pure and one with God then his grace would flow freely and everything would be done. The help would be there. What makes me sad is that I am not there yet... although I am asked for help now. And I cannot heal with just a touch yet... Can I tell people, "come back next year, I am not enlightened yet"? I know we are just channels for the divine and to the extent to which "I" do something good it is really Him who does it through me. So what concerns me is that if not enough grace can flow through me so that it can take everybody's pain away, then it means I am not a good enough channel... Not yet. Yes I know it might sound crazy. But if you cannot take pain away what good are you? What do you want to take with you when you go? I would just like to take everybody's pain. It might take me many lifetimes before convincing God to let me do that, and maybe He never will. But I still think that is one of the few things worth trying... Sat Nam and blessings to all, Alina (I apologize for the long letter...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Alina wrote: > "Alina" <eugend > > >you project your ideas into what is happening and complicate > >the situation even more. Instead step back and witness what is happening > > Hello Gloria, > > Thank you for your thoughts on this. Please bear with me while I try to > explain where I was coming from... Of course I would appreciate others' > opinions on this as well. > > I used to "step back and witness" things, and think that everything is fair > at the cosmic level and God knows better than me... And that suffering is a > way of paying your karma and re-establishes the balance. But then it > occurred to me that God never wanted anybody to suffer in the first place. > And most of the time suffering makes people mean and miserable and takes > them even farther away from God and themselves. > > Save yourself and let everybody pay their karma is probably okay. Or then > you can say, "God, give me these people's bad karma and let them go > happy..." Because nobody deserves pain. I honestly believe that people do > wrong things only because they are afraid and unhappy. I think you are ready what detachment is from a personality standpoint. Detachment is not stepping back and thinking anything it is the opposite. In detachment you are in a state of mindfulness like in meditation so the awareness expands, in this expansion one is able to be a vehicle for change because when spirit moves, it will not be through your personality but from the higher self. In this miracles happen. Detachment creates an altered state so that you are not working from thought or emotion. If you are then you are not detached. Attachment means you have an idea about what is happening and you also have an idea of what needs to change. All of this is released in detachment, when you are truly witnessing as though you were in a movie watching, then the emotion and thought will dissolve and spirit will work with it. > I am not talking > about imposing anything on anybody ("be happy because I want you to"). I > hate the very idea. If we are not here to uplift ourselves AND others, why > would anybody bother teaching KY or giving a helping hand? If everybody > would "step back and witness" instead of stepping in and doing something, we > wouldn't have anything. > > It makes me sad when somebody comes and asks, "Please help me" and I can't > do it - or I can't do enough. If I were totally pure and one with God then > his grace would flow freely and everything would be done. The help would be > there. What makes me sad is that I am not there yet... although I am asked > for help now. And I cannot heal with just a touch yet... Can I tell people, > "come back next year, I am not enlightened yet"? I know we are just channels > for the divine and to the extent to which "I" do something good it is really > Him who does it through me. > > So what concerns me is that if not enough grace can flow through me so that > it can take everybody's pain away, then it means I am not a good enough > channel... Not yet. Yes I know it might sound crazy. But if you cannot take > pain away what good are you? What do you want to take with you when you go? > I would just like to take everybody's pain. Your purpose is not to take pain away from someone, you don't know what the pain is there for, your purpose is not to judge or manipulate it in anyway. When you are clean inside and free of thoughts which you project or reactions from the emotional state, then you can be the witness and in this, open up to what it means to be used. You are not clear on what this process is, so this is necessary to move into since it will drastically change how it is seen, witnessed and experienced. In this work...ongoing moment to moment work, you will understand cause and effect. This is the foundation for all spiritual work and growth. > > > It might take me many lifetimes before convincing God to let me do that, and > maybe He never will. But I still think that is one of the few things worth > trying... It is training and moment to moment openess to witness. Gloria > > > Sat Nam and blessings to all, > > Alina > (I apologize for the long letter...) > > ------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2120/1/_/505222/_/953146605/ > ------ > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > -- Enter The Silence to know God Accept life as the teacher Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at: dennisgloria visit my homepage & internet retreat at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Alina, This is a little out of the ring of KY, but definitely in the eastern religion sector. Bear with me. I apologize, but I cannot remember the name of the method right now. I will post it when I find it, but I wanted to get this out to you. It is from Buddhism. From what I understand about your recent experiences, you are suffering yourself with all of the suffering that you see going on around you. Gompopa (sp?) a Buddhist holy man, said that when you have noticed the world's suffering, and it affects you so much that it makes you break into tears, you are on the verge of attaining a higher realization. Now, that is really loosely paraphrased. I had this occurrence for several weeks when I did this method (the one I can't remember the name of), but it finally receded in it's intensity. And it is supposed to. The method is very simple, and goes like this: 0. Meditate for a few minutes on nothing, until your mind is filled with emptiness. This is the space where you can affect others, and relieve their suffering. 1. Start with a mental image of someone you love. Picture them sitting in front of you. Breath in their suffering. Breath out happiness and peace and love to them. 2. Now, increase your image to the people you know; friends, family. Breathe in their suffering. Breath out happiness, peace and love. 3. Continue, with an ever widening circle. People in you town, city, state, nation, hemisphere, planet. Until you see every living thing in the universe in front of you. Breathe in their suffering. Breathe out happiness, love and peace. During this it can become quite intense. If you become so overwhelmed. Stop, realize that you have an infinite ability to absorb their suffering, and continue. 4. Then stop and clear your mind of everything. Dedicate this action and seal the merit that it has accumulated (saying simply, "I dedicate this to end the suffering of all beings in the universe." And forget about it. If you are worried about where the suffering goes. It is simple. And this is the part that blew me away when I was taught this method. IT GOES AWAY. It just vanishes. Breathe, Smile, and know that you are loved, Adam Hoyt ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Dear Alina, After reading the emails i usually delete or file, i havent felt like moving yours and i came back to it tonight,thinking i must see why i am holding on to this letter, there must be something for me to see.... so i have spent time looking at it and trying to feel the right way to share my thoughts and feelings about it, You say this has been disturbing you for a while... > > > >Dear Gururattan Kaur, > > > >I would like to ask for your advice (and everybody's suggestions would be > >much appreciated as well) on something that has been disturbing me for a > >long time. > >I get from KY and meditation the most wonderful effects. When I am doing > >it, > >and afterwards for some hours, I feel completely happy, completely at >peace > >with everything and everybody. I feel I have enough goodness and grace to > >give to anybody. Then at some point that feeling just vanishes and leaves > >emptiness behind. Now this part....I am finding it hard to express,so i will give it a go You do your Ky and meditation,they feel great for quite a while,then feel like you have enough goodness and grace to give to anybody.... now this suggests to me that this thought is born form a desire of your self to have people feel the love and grace that you give them.. to see the results reflected to you in your enviroment,by feeling wonderful and balanced. If you have faith and you feel that goodness and that grace it will flow through you on an energetic level,you will not have to conciuosly feel .........um ,well anything,it will just come from you naturally,You can just be,just exist in your space,how it will affect others is up to them.... We can give our energy away very easily trying to make others feel as great as we do.... It is smoother and less draining to be... just be....with no expectations..... just be with you within you and witness the various sitations.....this is how to keep balance by not having expectations.... even as far as not hoping that the wonderful feeling would last all the time,because if you think about balance,, it encompasses all,it is about challenge and ultimately about how you handle those challenges within yourself.... and the faith that you have in Knowing God and knowing that God is loving and that you are on your path with the guidance of god even if it seems rough sometimes..... I hope this all makes sense,i just needed to get some thoughts out,, I needed to talk about this angle i was feeling.... and in really is for me,sparked by your experience.... I am thinking out loud....holding up my mirror.. saying the words i need to hear.... Maybbe when you are feeling like giving the goodness and grace ..you are holding up a mirror and wanting to see that reflected....but the want is the problem.. because it creates disappointment which is energy draining.... have faith that you are a tool of God and all is as it will be... Sorry if i have rambled... this is sent in love and sharing.... Lots of love Natalie PS...I noticed one of your post coming in as i was writing this,Syncronicity? Then everything becomes a huge effort to go through. I do > >have quite a hectic life and when that happens I often don't have the >time > >to take five minutes and meditate. I tried doing silent japa but that > >doesn't always work - I have to talk to people, take phone calls, solve > >"urgent matters". > > > >What can I do to keep that wonderful balance, that grace? > > > >Thank you and Sat Nam, > > > >Alina ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Thank you Adam... Thank you thank you thank you. I was looking for just something like that. The other very beautiful meditation that I do is Ra Ma Da Sa Sa Say So Hung. And I would like to share with you all a little note that I always carry with me. It is from Yogi Bhajan. "What is the purpose of life? To elevate all, big and small. Your job is to elevate. You are a forklift. The person has come to you, and you have to relieve his problem. It doesn't matter what your problems are. Don't BE God - GIVE God." Blessings and peace to you. Sat Nam, Alina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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