Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 Sat Nam, Greetings to all. I want to thank those of you who responded to my post regarding kundalini yoga as a pure art (without incorporating other teachings i.e. "new age"). Gururattan, the clarity of your response was very helpful to me. In regards to the topic of drugs and KY, Michael (Skylined) and Adam (Hoyt), I am curious if you are familiar with the book "Be Here Now" by Guru Ram Dass. In his autobiography he speaks candidly about his experimenting with drugs, particularly psylocybin. It is a book I am reading now, and believe it might be of some interest to you both. What I take from reading his experiences is that although the effects of these drugs are indeed real as you are saying, they are not necessary for enlightenment. As I am gaining a tremendous amount of respect for Yogi Bhajan, I take his warning of its detrimental effects seriously. There are lectures by Ram Dass available on tape from his website if you wanted to check those out too. I do not know specifically what his relationship to KY is, but I know there is a mantra which incorporates his name given in the book "Sadhana Guidelines". Blessings and peace, Lisa ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 Hi Lisa I don't think that the original Guru Ram Das would have had a Web Site! ;-) He was one of the founding fathers (if that is the correct tem) of Sikhism. Sat Nam! Gordon > "Waltman Lisa" <lisa_raven > > > Sat Nam, > I am curious if you are familiar with the book "Be Here Now" by Guru Ram > Dass. In his autobiography he speaks candidly about his experimenting with > drugs, particularly psylocybin. It is a book I am reading now, and believe > it might be of some interest to you both. What I take from reading his > experiences is that although the effects of these drugs are indeed real as > you are saying, they are not necessary for enlightenment. As I am gaining a > tremendous amount of respect for Yogi Bhajan, I take his warning of its > detrimental effects seriously. There are lectures by Ram Dass available on > tape from his website if you wanted to check those out too. I do not know > specifically what his relationship to KY is, but I know there is a mantra > which incorporates his name given in the book "Sadhana Guidelines". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 hi folks.... think people are confusing Baba Ram Dass... with Guru Ram Das..... i would like to learn more about Guru Ram Das.... i chant every week Guru Guru, Guru Wahe Guru, Guru Ram Das Guru... and never really thought or knew about the actually meaning other than the vibrations caused by chanting this felt good.... Baba Ram Dass is actually a westerner (Richard Alpert) who founded Brandeis University in Massachusetts.....and was a proffessor at Harvard... he was probably best known in the 60s for his experimentations with LSD and other psychedelics with Timothy Leary....then he traveled to India where he studied under a indian teacher (forgot name)and recieved the name "Baba Ram Dass" which means "disciple of God"realised, much like many folks who went out to India (Donovan, Mike Love) that drugs were not needed to reach the transcient states that meditation could bring to you..... or bring you to.. more like it.... and infact the drugs were more of a hinderence to reaching that "pure" enlightened state... IMHO... if you reach any "enlightened" state while under the influence of something other than what is already in your own chemistry... it is pure illusion.... and not ultimate reality.... but why should i speak... since i know "nothing" <smile> Love and Light Akire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 Hi Lisa, I was so fortunate that one beautiful summer day, (when "Be here now" was first published)as I was sitting on the beach observing the majesty of the North Atlantic pounding on the Fire Island shore, a friend,(Jerry) handed me his paperback copy. It was about 8" 10". I sat there for hours until the sun went down, and finished the book. Needless to say, it had a profound effect! I have entered "Ram Dass" into the search enjine and been astounded at the amount of information regarding this Great Teacher! ( Thanks Jerry:-) Mike in Dallas Y'all "On Earth, as it Tis in Texas" Waltman Lisa wrote: > "Waltman Lisa" <lisa_raven > > Sat Nam, > > Greetings to all. I want to thank those of you who responded to my post > regarding kundalini yoga as a pure art (without incorporating other > teachings i.e. "new age"). Gururattan, the clarity of your response was > very helpful to me. > > In regards to the topic of drugs and KY, Michael (Skylined) and Adam (Hoyt), > I am curious if you are familiar with the book "Be Here Now" by Guru Ram > Dass. In his autobiography he speaks candidly about his experimenting with > drugs, particularly psylocybin. It is a book I am reading now, and believe > it might be of some interest to you both. What I take from reading his > experiences is that although the effects of these drugs are indeed real as > you are saying, they are not necessary for enlightenment. As I am gaining a > tremendous amount of respect for Yogi Bhajan, I take his warning of its > detrimental effects seriously. There are lectures by Ram Dass available on > tape from his website if you wanted to check those out too. I do not know > specifically what his relationship to KY is, but I know there is a mantra > which incorporates his name given in the book "Sadhana Guidelines". > > Blessings and peace, > Lisa > > ____ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2120/1/_/505222/_/952711790/ > ------ > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2000 Report Share Posted March 11, 2000 Akire, Have you heard what Ram Dass is up to these days? Seems I read recently that he has "relaxed his spiritual beliefs somewhat"! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2000 Report Share Posted March 11, 2000 John.... last i heard he was doing workshops in places like Omega Institute which is a New Age center in Rhinebeck NY.... but i think he had a stroke last year... =( he has to be in his 60s or early 70s.... Sat Nam Akire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2000 Report Share Posted March 12, 2000 Hi Lisa, >In regards to the topic of drugs and KY, Michael (Skylined) and Adam (Hoyt), >I am curious if you are familiar with the book "Be Here Now" by Guru Ram >Dass. Haven't read it, but it sounds like something I should look in to. > they are not necessary for enlightenment. I agree with that. My use of substances has been mostly as a source of inspiration and more recently with the intention to develop myself to the point where they are no longer useful. As I wrote this I did a search on Ram Das and found this excerpt which sums up the way I feel: "And he [indian holy man Maharaj-ji] said these substances were known in the Kulu Valley, long ago, but all that knowledge is lost now. Then he said, "It's useful, it's useful, not the true samadhi, but it's useful." Then later when questioned about LSD by some young Westerners that were with him, he said, "If you're in a cool place and you're quiet and you're feeling much peace and your mind is turned toward God, it's useful." He said it will allow you to come in and have a visit-the saint, of a higher being of a higher space-higher consciousness is how you can translate it. But he says you can't stay there-after a couple of hours you gotta come back. He said, you know, it would be much better to become the saint, rather than go and have this visit; but having this visit is nice. He said it strengthens your faith in the possibility that such beings exist. At the time he used Christ as the saint he was talking about. He said it allows you to have the visit of Christ but you can't stay with him. It would be better to become Christ than to visit, and LSD won't do that for you. He said it will strengthen your faith, but it won't make you into that. He said love is a much stronger drug than LSD medicine. " - The only Dance there is. > As I am gaining a >tremendous amount of respect for Yogi Bhajan, I take his warning of its >detrimental effects seriously. Well having recently had a very intense experience, I am beginning to reconsider my course of action. I've been conducting 'sessions' where I combine KY with lsd and devote the whole day to focussing on the divine. Each session has been exponentially more intense then the last. During my last, the currents and surges I experienced where so intense I had to hold my breath at full capacity to keep my body from going into violent tremors and forcibly clench my jaw to keep it still. This didn't bother me at the time as the experience was entirely blissful and the surges only came on when I relaxed and concentrated on my chakras, but I have since decided that to continue in such a manner may be to hazardous. PLUR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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